India in England Jun-Sept 2014

Yes, this discussion seems to be going around in never ending circles. But I do have to say, it seems like we have some new "paragraph posters" here whose posts are pretty interesting to read and thereby I get sucked into the discussions.:thumbs:cheers

My only hope is for India not to make a fool out of themselves when we tour Australia for the test series.

Would I be one of the "paragraph posters" :)

I have been posting some paragraphs lately I will admit :D
 
I am not interpreting his words. Just telling you that press conferences are about making the 'right noises' for public consumption, than about speaking the gospel truth. So its advisable not to believe everything said in press conferences as the absolute truth.

What you choose to believe or not is entirely upto you. If you want to take everything at face value, that is your call.

You dont have to take everything at face value, but sometimes the evidence is too damning to ignore the face value

quoting Ashwin before the England series

R Ashwin said:
"There have been times where the team wanted me to hold an end up, which is not my strength. I would like to get back to my strength and start spinning the ball really hard and get batsmen out. In terms of strategy, I have a couple in my mind which I'll be working on."

India Cricket News: 'Holding role is not my strength' - Ashwin | ESPN Cricinfo

Unless Ashwin totally doesnt mean what he is saying :|
 
I would love Ballance to play ODIs. I see him playing the next 12 years in tests for sure. I have heard he can hit the ball when he needs to. WOuld definitely like to see him in the ODIs too. Also Ali. I want to see Indian players play Ali without the pressure of having to play the 'test cricket way', and free to hit him from the off. If they still struggle then definitely there are issues to sort out.

I didn't think Ind were the favs going into the series as they were too low on confidence. After this match though, I think that table has turned. I would be disappointed if India don't push on from here. India' real test will be in the ODI triseries in Australia. Till then I would like to see India rotate more and try out new players, even if it means losing a few in the process.

I've seen him live, and he can go some when he needs to. People who have only watched him play for England think he's the new Trott. He's just played that role in tests, and did it very well.

I said to you before that I thought India would crush us. We just aren't very good at 50 over cricket. I have no idea why they don;t just do 50 over in county cricket. It makes no sense! We struggle with pacing. I'd have BUtler up at 4 so he doesn't come in under pressure.

I think it would do Ali good to be knocked around a bit. It would encourage him to improve.

Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but is there an equivelent to the P40 in India? If so, do you think Koli should go back, get some runs, and come back again?
 
es you are.... But as I said, I like reading and writing long paragraph posts. I have been criticized in this forum many times for writing really long messages.
Long messages are never a problem if everything is arranged properly. Splitting your posts into short paragraphs, using points in between etc., you can convey your message properly and interestingly.
I mean, we do read lot of long articles daily on web, newspapers etc. But we do not get bored. Do we ?
 
Meanwhile, I found this exciting interview of RAVI SHASTRI on web, when he became the Director of Team India for the ODI series against England..... Enjoy.

shastri_intv.jpg
 
I've seen him live, and he can go some when he needs to. People who have only watched him play for England think he's the new Trott. He's just played that role in tests, and did it very well.

I said to you before that I thought India would crush us. We just aren't very good at 50 over cricket. I have no idea why they don;t just do 50 over in county cricket. It makes no sense! We struggle with pacing. I'd have BUtler up at 4 so he doesn't come in under pressure.

I think it would do Ali good to be knocked around a bit. It would encourage him to improve.

Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but is there an equivelent to the P40 in India? If so, do you think Koli should go back, get some runs, and come back again?

Yes its off how ppl get stereotyped as Test only. I remember Dravid for so long was brandished as test only, but later went on to have a great run in the one day side too. Actually at a time he used to come in at 5 and played the role of a finisher !!

Ballance and Root should really be playing everything cricket. There is no reason to start stereotyping them. Also I think Eng are still very much in the series, India have a habit of collapsing overseas and that collapse almost came in the first ODI, only Raina then played a super knock. I think India were 4 down in 30 overs or so. ANother wicket then and things would have been very different.

As for Kohli I think he will come good in the series. He had a 70 in the warm up match vs middlesex. Also the shot he got out to is not an out of form batsman's dismissal. A good shot from the middle off the bat, unfortunately went straight to the fielder. Out of form Batsman, usually go out to edges, or miscues or skiers. Rarely to firm shots off the meat of the bat. So hopefully in the next match that same shot goes in the gap.

With regard to P40 alternatives in India, actually I am too sure of the P40 format myself. I know its a 40 over tournament, but which teams participate in it I am not sure. In India domestic cricket there are just too many 50 over tournaments. There is the Hazare Trophy, Deodhar Trophy, Challenger Trophy and Corporate Trophy. All of them have the 50 over format and not 40 over format. Hazare Trophy and Deodhar Trophy are the two biggest ODI trophies in India. In Hazare trophy the teams that play in Ranji Trophy are the ones that take part, only here the format is 50 over. In Deodhar trophy the Ranji teams are distributed over 5 zones, East, West, North, South, Central, and from each Zone the best players are selected and then these Zones play against each other. Its, something like All Star matches in NBA where teams are distributed in Eastern and Western Conferences, only on a much lesser scale.

However the solution is hardly to play in these tournaments where honestly the standard is far too low when compared to Int'l cricket, although I am sure as a last resort he would have to do this too if things keep going like this.
 
Well at least you like reading what I write. :)

Poker, we all have our opinions and without them this would be a boring place with everybody stating the obvious. I might disagree with you and many others but its fun to argue with guys who share the same passion for the sport.
 
You dont have to take everything at face value, but sometimes the evidence is too damning to ignore the face value

quoting Ashwin before the England series



India Cricket News: 'Holding role is not my strength' - Ashwin | ESPN Cricinfo

Unless Ashwin totally doesnt mean what he is saying :|

See now we are over-reaching. If the collective team management wisdom, with all their experience formulates a plan for Ashwin to bowl in a particular manner and assign him a particular role, who are we to then say you know what, all of you with all your wealth of int'l experience, you got the strategy wrong ! Let me help you formulate a better strategy.

I mean come on :)
 
I've seen him live, and he can go some when he needs to. People who have only watched him play for England think he's the new Trott. He's just played that role in tests, and did it very well.

I said to you before that I thought India would crush us. We just aren't very good at 50 over cricket. I have no idea why they don;t just do 50 over in county cricket. It makes no sense! We struggle with pacing. I'd have BUtler up at 4 so he doesn't come in under pressure.

I think it would do Ali good to be knocked around a bit. It would encourage him to improve.

Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but is there an equivelent to the P40 in India? If so, do you think Koli should go back, get some runs, and come back again?

I think this English side has enough going for it if they can fix their approach to ODI cricket. Hales, Butler, Morgan,Root and Bell is a mighty fine top order to have along with a steady Cook and a lower order of Stokes, Woakes and Jordan. There is enough firepower there. Where England miss out is their approach. Even without KP, this lineup should be aiming at 300 each time they go out to bat. They are a decade behind when it comes to the thought process in ODIs. Despite of India`s fallibility in overseas conditions, they still back themselves to chase down 300+ each time they go out to bat. That is the reason why we score big a lot of times in ODIs. Even in the ICC CT last year, our side was consistently scoring at 6 r.p.o in the same conditions where others were aiming at 240-250 scores. England, like we saw yesterday start too conservatively and get themselves with too much to do later on.
 
See now we are over-reaching. If the collective team management wisdom, with all their experience formulates a plan for Ashwin to bowl in a particular manner and assign him a particular role, who are we to then say you know what, all of you with all your wealth of int'l experience, you got the strategy wrong ! Let me help you formulate a better strategy.

I mean come on :)

LOL ok then
 
Poker, we all have our opinions and without them this would be a boring place with everybody stating the obvious. I might disagree with you and many others but its fun to argue with guys who share the same passion for the sport.

I disagree with POker often, and we've full on barny once! But we agree on lots of things and its fun to disagree sometimes right? How boring would it be if we all agreed?[DOUBLEPOST=1409233753][/DOUBLEPOST]
I think this English side has enough going for it if they can fix their approach to ODI cricket. Hales, Butler, Morgan,Root and Bell is a mighty fine top order to have along with a steady Cook and a lower order of Stokes, Woakes and Jordan. There is enough firepower there. Where England miss out is their approach. Even without KP, this lineup should be aiming at 300 each time they go out to bat. They are a decade behind when it comes to the thought process in ODIs. Despite of India`s fallibility in overseas conditions, they still back themselves to chase down 300+ each time they go out to bat. That is the reason why we score big a lot of times in ODIs. Even in the ICC CT last year, our side was consistently scoring at 6 r.p.o in the same conditions where others were aiming at 240-250 scores. England, like we saw yesterday start too conservatively and get themselves with too much to do later on.

I'm still not convinced Cook should be playing. Bell's had a shocker, but is geberally great. If we brought back KP, I;d have Hales, Root, Ballance, KP, Bell, Butler. That would be great! Ali should play instead of tredwell, because treders is steady, but I think Ali has that X factor. And he can bat. Jordan should be nowhere near International teams, and neither should stoked. I've liked Woakes for ages, and am pleased he is in the side. I'd drop Jordan and bring in Finn.
 

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