India in England Jun-Sept 2014

50's for both, and 450+ for India. Had Jadeja and Binny shown this kind of resilience, India would have been in an even better position than what they are in right now. Splendid batting by Bhuvi and Shami! Can't believe Shami can bat this well even on flat pitches. Never thought he was the kind of guy who can take advantage of even flat wickets.

All out for 457! Very well done Bhuvi and Shami!
 
Its good that we got bowled out with 15 overs to spare tonight. Another 20 runs would`ve looked good on the scorecard but not sure if England would`ve been too bothered about that since it would`ve taken time off their batting session tonight.

If we can pick up a couple of wickets, it would be a real bonus. Hope Shami and Bhuvi are not too tired after that marathon batting effort.:p

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Okay Fair Enough, Moen Ali deserves atleast that one wicket, for the buckets of easy runs he helped give away.

It would`nt be a bad idea to keep gifting him a wicket every innings to ensure he bowls each time.
 
Never thought he was the kind of guy who can take advantage of even flat wickets

what are you saying?

surely if he's likely to take advantage of a wicket, it's got to be a flat one?
 
Okay that first over looked like it was bowled in totally different conditions. Swing Movement off the pitch ... well done !

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It would`nt be a bad idea to keep gifting him a wicket every innings to ensure he bowls each time.

Yeah he is welcome to take no. 11 every innings after he has scored a 50 :yes

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Shami was bowling on the leg stump to Cook, and as soon as Ballance arrive he has shifted to an outside the off stump line. Wonder if the plan was to target Cook on the leg stump line, knowing he tends to fall over and expose the leg stump.
 
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Cook horrors continues
 
Oh lord Ishant Sharma bowling 125-128 ish. I really hope he performs well
 
Cook :noway

This will not help with his cause but I think he'll come back stronger.

Anyway, this is a tricky hour or so to bat through and will really need concentration with India rotating the fast men for the spinner
 
I'm putting my money on Cook to come good. I know he will...
 
Will all other four test match venues have flat tracks just to make the matches last till the 5th day so that the ECB profits? This is a really disappointing pitch because I think everyone was looking forward to a pitch that has something in it for the bowlers and the batting. The series just could have been held in India or another subcontinent venue if they wanted to just prepare flat tracks with no ball movement. Ultimately what is the point of having it in England if this is the case???
 
Oh lord Ishant Sharma bowling 125-128 ish. I really hope he performs well

You really think he is going to get wickets here? The guy is woefully out of rhythm, the seam is wobbly and his run up so choppy. I would`nt blame him but the selectors and Dhoni who keep picking him in the squad and then the side. Varun Aaron or Ishwar Pandey in his place would have made a world of difference. Look at how Shami was making the batsmen play and looked lively and compare it to the way Ishant has been bowling! Ridiculous selection policy. This is a series we can win if we select the right side.
 
My thoughts after watching the last 2 days and reading all the posts from those days, and sorry for the long post, I'm just way too tired when I'm watching the cricket to get my thoughts out.

Jadeja's batting - I get the feeling his batting has actually regressed since he's become a regular for India... there was a time when I believed Jadeja was a better batsman than a bowler, and even in the shorter formats where he seems to do both roles equally well, I get the feeling his batting could and should be better, maybe I've read too much into his domestic numbers and am expecting things unheard of, a #7 all-rounder with a Test batting average of 40 and the bowling average of 30.

Ashwin in place of Binny - Call it misreading the pitch, but when pundits fail to read the pitch right (Nasser Hussain claimed this pitch would have some good carry), I almost question how you can not side with the captain that's in question and I recall hearing Andrew Strauss on commentary say the pitch was quite hard, obviously there's nothing underneath and it ends up giving you the illusion of it being a nice hard wicket, so in hindsight or if Dhoni got to dig right into the wicket, he'd pick the extra spinner 10/10 times.

Specialist pace bowler in place of Binny - though they didn't have much of a bat in the 1st innings, playing a specialist pace bowler (Aaron, Pandey, Pankaj) who can't chip in with runs in either's place would be the wrong way to go, without that last wicket partnership between Bhuvi and Shami, we're looking at a score of something below 350, which would've most certainly been below par, yes we need to be able to take 20 wickets to win a Test match (the more I hear this, the more I want to burn down trees), but not at the expense of the opposition being able to put our batting under pressure easily.

Dhoni's thinking behind Binny in place of Rohit (as I assume it to be) - What you get with Rohit is a specialist batsmen and with Binny you're getting neither a batsmen or a bowler, a bits and pieces player, which is slightly offensive looking at his FC record which would suggest he's a proper all-rounder, but you always get anomalies in the Indian domestic system. You pick him ahead of Rohit if your biggest concern is not letting the game slip so much while you give your front line pace bowlers a rest, and considering our pace bowlers are some of the most flimsy in the international game, their workload needs to be kept in check, especially with there being 5 Tests played over 42 days. Still think Rishi should've been picked in his place as far as the squad was concerned though.

The pitch - We can debate whether Dhoni misread the pitch or whether he read it right and it played games with him, but this is still one hell of an opportunity to go up 1-0 in the series and watching Jadeja at Durban, I'm convinced we have the right sort of spinner to get something out of this wicket, and England, precisely don't, and with the pitch expected to get slower and slower, and batting expected to get worse and worse (not harder), I don't see the England pace bowlers putting England in a position of victory. Sick pitch though, neither serves the batsmen or the bowlers (till someone extracts some turn).

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Damn, that could've easily been 5 different posts, so this is how you feel eh @SaiSrini. :p
 
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My thoughts after watching the last 2 days and reading all the posts from those days, and sorry for the long post, I'm just way too tired when I'm watching the cricket to get my thoughts out.

Jadeja's batting - I get the feeling his batting has actually regressed since he's become a regular for India... there was a time when I believed Jadeja was a better batsman than a bowler, and even in the shorter formats where he seems to do both roles equally well, I get the feeling his batting could and should be better, maybe I've read too much into his domestic numbers and am expecting things unheard of, a #7 all-rounder with a Test batting average of 40 and the bowling average of 30.

Ashwin in place of Binny - Call it misreading the pitch, but when pundits fail to read the pitch right (Nasser Hussain claimed this pitch would have some good carry), I almost question how you can not side with the captain that's in question and I recall hearing Andrew Strauss on commentary say the pitch was quite hard, obviously there's nothing underneath and it ends up giving you the illusion of it being a nice hard wicket, so in hindsight or if Dhoni got to dig right into the wicket, he'd pick the extra spinner 10/10 times.

Specialist pace bowler in place of Binny - though they didn't have much of a bat in the 1st innings, playing a specialist pace bowler (Aaron, Pandey, Pankaj) who can't chip in with runs in either's place would be the wrong way to go, without that last wicket partnership between Bhuvi and Shami, we're looking at a score of something below 350, which would've most certainly been below par, yes we need to be able to take 20 wickets to win a Test match (the more I hear this, the more I want to burn down trees), but not at the expense of the opposition being able to put our batting under pressure easily.

Dhoni's thinking behind Binny in place of Rohit (as I assume it to be) - What you get with Rohit is a specialist batsmen and with Binny you're getting neither a batsmen or a bowler, a bits and pieces player, which is slightly offensive looking at his FC record which would suggest he's a proper all-rounder, but you always get anomalies in the Indian domestic system. You pick him ahead of Rohit if your biggest concern is not letting the game slip so much while you give your front line pace bowlers a rest, and considering our pace bowlers are some of the most flimsy in the international game, their workload needs to be kept in check, especially with there being 5 Tests played over 42 days. Still think Rishi should've been picked in his place as far as the squad was concerned though.

The pitch - We can debate whether Dhoni misread the pitch or whether he read it right and it played games with him, but this is still one hell of an opportunity to go up 1-0 in the series and watching Jadeja at Durban, I'm convinced we have the right sort of spinner to get something out of this wicket, and England, precisely don't, and with the pitch expected to get slower and slower, and batting expected to get worse and worse (not harder), I don't see the England pace bowlers putting England in a position of victory. Sick pitch though, neither serves the batsmen or the bowlers (till someone extracts some turn).

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Damn, that could've easily been 5 different posts, so this is how you feel eh @SaiSrini. :p
@Epic, I will tell you why we won`t come even close to winning this one. Firstly, Dhoni has been through Jo`burg and Wellington recently. At Jo`burg he had 450 runs in the bag to defend in a little over 4 sessions and yet we came so close to losing it after being a wicket away from winning it. It happened again in NZ where we let them get away from 95/5, trailing by 250+!

Dhoni, who is even otherwise a defensive captain will now be even more cautious in setting targets. Presuming that England bat out the whole day today and we get a lead of 100ish, Dhoni would`nt be willing to set a target of anything less than 500 in 3 sessions which would take us into Day 4. The rate at which anything happens in this test match is too slow to get us a result, especially in India`s favor. If any team can win this game, it has to still be England, purely because of the fact that they can still afford to grind out a 500 target and try to trigger an Indian batting collapse which is very likely.

Draw - 60%, England win- 30%, India win - 10%.
 
I do not understand the selection of Stuart Binny in the squad of such an important tour, he did not have a good ipl season just had one lucky tour to Bangladesh!!
 
Will all other four test match venues have flat tracks just to make the matches last till the 5th day so that the ECB profits? This is a really disappointing pitch because I think everyone was looking forward to a pitch that has something in it for the bowlers and the batting. The series just could have been held in India or another subcontinent venue if they wanted to just prepare flat tracks with no ball movement. Ultimately what is the point of having it in England if this is the case???

It does look that way, but the Nottinghamshire chief executive has denied it. This is unusual for a Trent Bridge pitch.
 

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