India Team Discussion

[NILAYSHAH60]

not Shaw

The fact is Shaw is already ahead of Gill right now. Shaw has got the technique, temperament and the attitude to be a great player. Gill is yet to develop himself to be the first choice player for the Indian team on the other hand Prithvi Shaw is already looked upon as a first choice opener for India in the longer format.

 

[asprin]

Shastri is not going anywhere.

+1. It has come to a point where it's become so obvious that it almost feels like all the other candidates are just there to fill up the numbers. I don't buy the fact that Kohli will have no say in this matter, and we all know what he wants. Would be very, very, very surprised if Shastri doesn't get an extension. Hey, after all we are the #1 side

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

I can understand why Kohli went for Shastri back in 2017 but I don't see why he should continue. Ravi Shastri is just faking himself to be a good coach in the eyes of Kohli so that he doesn't lose his spot as a Head Coach. He hardly even cares about India doing well. He is just over-smart and very well knows what he needs to do to win Kohli's faith. It is important for BCCI to intervene in this but even they seem to be unaffected with what's happening around. BCCI only knows to mint money !

 

[aditya123]

The performance in this ODI series again showing why we are a mediocre white-ball side. I can see us having a bad run in ODIs very soon unless we freshen up our approach.

 

[Aalay]

The performance in this ODI series again showing why we are a mediocre white-ball side. I can see us having a bad run in ODIs very soon unless we freshen up our approach.

It is surprising to see you call this a "mediocre white-ball side". In my opinion this is probably the best white ball line-up that we have ever had. Yes, I know we don't have any silverware to show for it and that stain will always be there until we actually win an ICC trophy.

I can agree if you are indicating to freshen up the approach in T20's because we just don't play T20's like it is supposed to. I have talked about this quite a lot in the series thread.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

The performance in this ODI series again showing why we are a mediocre white-ball side. I can see us having a bad run in ODIs very soon unless we freshen up our approach.

We know you are hurt with India's performance in WC, so as we. But I don't think chasing 250 in 35 overs isn't an easy task which they did pretty well. I think Iyer has been a glimpse of hope for us this series. He has prooved to be a fine middle order batsman. Hope the management realises soon and swap Iyer with Pant in the batting order.

 

[aditya123]

It is surprising to see you call this a "mediocre white-ball side". In my opinion this is probably the best white ball line-up that we have ever had. Yes, I know we don't have any silverware to show for it and that stain will always be there until we actually win an ICC trophy.

I can agree if you are indicating to freshen up the approach in T20's because we just don't play T20's like it is supposed to. I have talked about this quite a lot in the series thread.

Our approach to ODIs is archaic. We used to play more aggressively even in the early 2000s. The current approach won`t win you WCs due to the fact that we are almost afraid of risk-taking. This is the exact problem SA have been troubled with for years. When I call them a mediocre ODI side, it doesn't just refer to the personnel but the way we play the game. Unless you have a strategy that allows you to play a reasonably high-risk brand, you almost fall into the trap of not knowing how to take risks. Also, Pant at 4 in a side that has a genuine batsman in Iyer? Why not use Pant in what is his strength now, outright slogging at No.6/7! We need to risk losing more to win big matches. Its better to win a lot of ODI series 3-2 going into the last game than bulldoze a series 6-1 every single time and not have any exposure to games that have a series/tournament on the line. Our win %ges in the 2007 to 2011/13 was`nt even close to our current ODI side and yet that was our best phase when it comes to winning big events. The reason being we did lose a lot more but we also played a lot more tight fought series. Don`t point out the Aussie sides of 2000s as an argument against this because they were freaks.

I`m not saying deliberately lose matches in order to put yourself under pressure but at least try and give more high-stakes exposure to the younger guys. What do we gain by all of Dhawan/Sharma/Kohli playing a boring ODI series so close to the WC? Could we not have rested at least one of them, maybe Kohli and given Iyer/Pandey and co more batting opportunities with a game on the line? Kohli scoring 2 hundreds is not something I want from these series. To say that this is too far away from the 2023 WC is nonsense. You do not start planning 5 months before an event. Also, we do not even have a CT in this cycle to offer a mid-course status check. Kohli, being so obsessed with the eventual outcome of every series, even meaningless bi-lateral ODIs is actually hurting our big tournament chances. These folks almost get a stage fright due to how little high-stakes cricket they usually play (don`t say IPL playoffs here).

 

[Aalay]

Our approach to ODIs is archaic. We used to play more aggressively even in the early 2000s. The current approach won`t win you WCs due to the fact that we are almost afraid of risk-taking. This is the exact problem SA have been troubled with for years. When I call them a mediocre ODI side, it doesn't just refer to the personnel but the way we play the game. Unless you have a strategy that allows you to play a reasonably high-risk brand, you almost fall into the trap of not knowing how to take risks. Also, Pant at 4 in a side that has a genuine batsman in Iyer? Why not use Pant in what is his strength now, outright slogging at No.6/7! We need to risk losing more to win big matches. Its better to win a lot of ODI series 3-2 going into the last game than bulldoze a series 6-1 every single time and not have any exposure to games that have a series/tournament on the line. Our win %ges in the 2007 to 2011/13 was`nt even close to our current ODI side and yet that was our best phase when it comes to winning big events. The reason being we did lose a lot more but we also played a lot more tight fought series. Don`t point out the Aussie sides of 2000s as an argument against this because they were freaks.

I`m not saying deliberately lose matches in order to put yourself under pressure but at least try and give more high-stakes exposure to the younger guys. What do we gain by all of Dhawan/Sharma/Kohli playing a boring ODI series so close to the WC? Could we not have rested at least one of them, maybe Kohli and given Iyer/Pandey and co more batting opportunities with a game on the line? Kohli scoring 2 hundreds is not something I want from these series. To say that this is too far away from the 2023 WC is nonsense. You do not start planning 5 months before an event. Also, we do not even have a CT in this cycle to offer a mid-course status check. Kohli, being so obsessed with the eventual outcome of every series, even meaningless bi-lateral ODIs is actually hurting our big tournament chances. These folks almost get a stage fright due to how little high-stakes cricket they usually play (don`t say IPL playoffs here).

If you are going that way then I agree with every point that you have made. Kohli-Shastri duo does not believe in rotation policy for batsmen as they do with bowlers. I would have been totally fine if Virat and Rohit were not on this tour and instead we could have tried someone else in their position for limited overs. I am talking in terms of talent that is coming through right now in our domestic cricket and I don't think we have ever had that before. Also consistency is selection is another thing that they need to look at. Now that Iyer has performed well in these 2 matches and has shown what he is capable of, give him a consistent go. Yes, he will fail at some point but back him because you know that at his best he can be very well suited to play that number 4 position. They also need to have talk with Rishabh Pant. I mentioned this yesterday in the series thread. He is one of the most exciting talent in world cricket but he still struggles to build an inning because of his temperament. His List A stats are not very impressive and that is one of the main reasons for it. He is very lucky that he doesn't have much competition right now for his spot.[DOUBLEPOST=1565885425][/DOUBLEPOST]Also please someone somehow make Tom Moody the head coach and get that drunkard asshole out of the Indian dressing room.

 

[aditya123]

If you are going that way then I agree with every point that you have made. Kohli-Shastri duo does not believe in rotation policy for batsmen as they do with bowlers. I would have been totally fine if Virat and Rohit were not on this tour and instead we could have tried someone else in their position for limited overs. I am talking in terms of talent that is coming through right now in our domestic cricket and I don't think we have ever had that before. Also consistency is selection is another thing that they need to look at. Now that Iyer has performed well in these 2 matches and has shown what he is capable of, give him a consistent go. Yes, he will fail at some point but back him because you know that at his best he can be very well suited to play that number 4 position. They also need to have talk with Rishabh Pant. I mentioned this yesterday in the series thread. He is one of the most exciting talent in world cricket but he still struggles to build an inning because of his temperament. His List A stats are not very impressive and that is one of the main reasons for it. He is very lucky that he doesn't have much competition right now for his spot.[DOUBLEPOST=1565885425][/DOUBLEPOST]Also please someone somehow make Tom Moody the head coach and get that drunkard asshole out of the Indian dressing room.

My point is that there is no use having all the talent in the world if you are going to utilize it to a) play an archaic brand of cricket and, b) not risk losing more games at the cost of giving your non-core players exposure to situations with game/series on the line. Noone remembers what your rankings were at the end of a 4 year cycle. A side is remembered for A) ICC events and B) performances in big test series. This team management have let those chances go more often than not in the last 4 years and hence field full squads for pointless games to pad up their overall stats (win %ges) in series where most opposition sides are either preparing for the next big ICC event. In 90% of games (both test and ODI) which were high stakes, these guys have messed up with team selection. We didn`t have half the resources in the 2007-2013 period, had a much lower bilateral win percentage in ODIs and yet were by far the most successful side in ICC events in that period.

Players get the temperament to handle big games by having been there and done that over a period of time, under pressure and not in some meaningless dead rubbers. Yuvraj and Raina chased targets day after day in the company of guys like Dravid/MSD/Kaif and hence had the temperament to hold their nerve when it came to crunch run chases in the 2011 WC. Also, its no coincidence that during that phase, we played a lot of close ODI games/series and hence the squad members were used to the pressure. Remember how we rested Sachin in the ODI series just before the WC in SA and lost a very close fought ODI series (lost 3-2) where the likes of Yusuf Pathan, Munaf and Kohli shone through. They went on to play the WC. We had the guts to drop Sehwag and play Gambhir in that 2008 CB Series which we won by beating a superb Australia in a thriller. Also, the 4-3 loss in England where we played so many close games. The key here is the fact that the guys that were a part of CT2013/WC2011 had played games that were not just dead rubbers. The current lot of non-core players never get that chance because the drunkard wants to shore up his numbers.

 

[ShamiLoverGlipGlops]

So in 27 minutes from now, BCCI will announce that Ravi Shastri will continue as the coach since the new coach announcement is coming up. .. why even put out an announcement?

 

[Bevab]

To two more years of the drunkard!

 

[ShamiLoverGlipGlops]

I am officially quitting supporting Team India. As a fan who has invested 15+ years watching cricket (11 years on PC alone), this is cheating and clearly showing me a middle finger. There is so much wrong fundamentally with Indian Cricket and just because we make cricketers our idols/god we do not see the obvious flaws. Yes Kohli, Sharma, etc are brilliant. But first Duncan Fletcher and now Shastri has ruined Indian Cricket for good. We have 0 plans and when a captain comes out to a press conference and says that we will look into the WC in last 12 months and not getting reprimanded is bull shit. Until Kohli the captain is sacked, Shastri the coach will always remain. I wish there was more power BCCI had like past to make tough and strong decisions.

Also with Kohli, the coach selection process was in hand of Shastri's best friends. If this is not conflict of interest what is? fearsome tweak Indian Cricket, and fearsome tweak you Kohli. You might be the strongest and the most hard working batsman, you will have all the records to your name but you will never have a silverware to show on your record, not with this attitude of bullying and being the strongest force. So fearsome tweak you for ruining Indian Cricket.

 

[Aalay]

Oh just fearsome tweak off Ravi[DOUBLEPOST=1565961339][/DOUBLEPOST]If I was Tom Moody, I would sue the BCCI.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Remember how we rested Sachin in the ODI series just before the WC in SA

Sorry to interrupt but Tendulkar missed out due to thumb injury sustained from a rising delivery from Lonwabo Tsotsobe in the 2nd ODI of the series. And in that period India never rested Tendulkar but instead Tendulkar himself asked for it as he had fitness issues and he wanted to prolong his career.

 

[Aalay]

Even though we were all expecting this I still feel pissed. We finally had the chance to get someone with tactical knowledge in Hesson or Moody and we decided to go for this drunkard mother****ing twat.