Indian Test Cricket

[Atharv]

Surely that's ridiculous though?

No one is bigger than a team? Even KP had to go sort himself out before he was allowed to play. Samit was dropped and told to work on his fitness, prove that you WANT to play for your country.

These guys act like their playing for some sunday league team. They'll just turn up when they want, play how they want, and anyone who tries to motivate them to work harder, well they can sod off?

Does no one from India think that's an issue? Because to me, that implies when you're winning, doing ok, playing at home, things will be good. But that if things get tough, no one will care and will slip away (as too many of them do). Essentially, no one loses with as much disinterest as India recently. Even Bangladesh look like their trying when they're getting spanked!

That is a very ridiculous statement .

 

[puddleduck]

Which part? The bit where they don't seem motivated (hell I watched every ball of those test series with some Indian fans who were pretty much heart-broken by the end). They just wanted to see some fight. They didn't want to see a team look like they wanted to go home because they weren't winning. Even when England got beaten 3-0 in Pakistan, they looked at all times like they were trying their hardest, they just got outclassed.

 

[Atharv]

Which part? The bit where they don't seem motivated (hell I watched every ball of those test series with some Indian fans who were pretty much heart-broken by the end). They just wanted to see some fight. They didn't want to see a team look like they wanted to go home because they weren't winning. Even when England got beaten 3-0 in Pakistan, they looked at all times like they were trying their hardest, they just got outclassed.

I too watched the test series . Indian's were completely outclassed. English were in a different zone in that series . Add to that, the game of musical chairs for the opening slot, a farce called RP Singh, Laxman and Gambhir not scoring, Inadequate skipper in Dhoni and you had a completely demoralized Indian team. As I have said in some other post, the root for the English and Australia fiasco lay in the west Indies tour . India did not look at that tour as a preparation for English tour .If I am not wrong the likes of Murali Vijay and Raina(who lacked technique) were in the test squad, Sachin was holidaying in England and India seemed to be struggling against a one pace bowler west Indian attack . It was obvious.
It was the captains job to motivate the team. He had no clue what he was doing . Dhoni failed at the very first adversirty he encountered , same thing in Australia .

 

[puddleduck]

I know Atharv, you were one of them who maintained your viewing with a dignified optimism

Well, Rahul Dravid was able to dig in and score runs, the rest just gave their wickets away. He showed it was possible. Even the tail didn't try and hang around, they just had a swing and got out. The bowlers apart from Praveen barely looked up for it either. As you say, the captaincy was indeed uninspired, but where was a Sachin, or a Laxman lending a wise word to Dhoni? Where was the support that a captain needs? Funnily enough, when it's been the shorter format, Dhoni has often been able to go out and play a more natural game.

I'd like to know which part you think was ridiculous though? Otherwise yours is just a literal ridiculous statement, in that what you actually said, was "that is a ridiculous statement."

I don't think Dhoni has any real choice anymore though, he pretty much gets lumped with the same players, and is it surprising that a young, and hungry player like Kohli has thrived in recent months? In spite of the carnage around him at times?

So yeah, you said my statement was ridiculous, and then you basically said that actually India's problems go even further back... Please, elaborate for me

Don't mention Raina please, as I'm sure you're aware from that series, he makes me angry haha

 

[SLICKR392]

Wasn't this story almost the same for England in Dubai? Sadly there wasn't a Dravid for England.
Look at the English people..no matter how well Panesar performs, at the end of the day credits goes to Swanny. The biggest squash bucket Naseer Hussain said before the Natwest series that if the Indians win the tourney they might forget what occurred to them in the TEST series.
And he was the first to applaud and ridicule the test series after England won the ODi series in Dubai.

Hadn't the English side hit rock bottom 2 years back ? And the Aussies aswell. Right now its us. Greg has to know his role..and he talks about culture! Something that the Aussies have been dearly missing since they were born.

 

[SaiSrini]

Pretty blinkered(Subjective and limited, as in viewpoint or perception) view . But then what can you expect from him . No wonder almost everything he has touched has turned to dust.
No culture needs a certificate from another culture or Individual and certainly not from somebody like him. I guess what Indian players did to him seems to have mentally scarred him.No wonder he is taking cheap potshots.
What he wanted when he was with India was sub ordination from India players. What he wanted was people to agree with his high handed approach and not question him. And contrary to what he is saying about Indian people now, most of the Indian players barring Dhoni , Raina and Dravid refused to put their head down and comply. No wonder Dhoni,Dravid and Raina are his favourite players .
Also his hand picked players, Dhoni and Raina do not seem to have skills for the test cricket. This is an apt reflection on his inability to judge a player.
he seems to have no idea what leadership skills are. Man-management skills are a major and integral part of leadership. Dhoni,who he thinks is a great captain, has completely failed to do that . In five years Dhoni has not been able to resolve his issues with Sehwag and now he has problems with Gambhir . And Gambhir has problems with his Delhi team mate Kohli . Zak does not think much of Dhoni .But because Zak is the back bone of Indian bowling Dhoni cannot treat him like Sehwag. What an achievement for a "leader" like Dhoni . Somehow he has managed to create a divided team that I had only heard of from my elders(you know those times when Gavaskar-Kapil etc etc would lock horns..).
And frankly, there is nothing wrong if Zak shows attitude, he has performance to justify it.
Dhoni is still one of my fav players, but I am starting to get a bit fed up of him and his antics in the team.

A lot more can be said about this former, failed India coach .

You are talking about Zaheer, the couch potato who moves around the field like one (even in test matches)? Its a pathetic state of affairs of India's bowling that we are relying on Zaheer's bowling (which I agree has been exceptional most of the time).

But just because you perform, you can show whatever attitude you want to? Thats a crap argument.... And to tell you, you will find it almost impossible to tell a leader who never had problems with someone within his own team or within his own setup. Ganguly had problems aplenty when he was captain. He had problems with Laxman, at times with Dravid too, etc. Ganguly had his own group of players in the team and they got preferential treatment. Does it mean he was not a good captain/leader? All this division you hear from the team is blown up primarily by the media. All Sehwag and Dhoni have is a difference in opinion and mis-communication. Can happen with any team. That doesnt mean they dont see eye to eye and that Gambhir has a problem with Dhoni when he frankly said the game should have been finished in the 48th over.

 

[Sedition]

Aussies are born cheats and born without culture huh lickr? Those two statements alone are contradictory But hmm, what does that say about India? Born losers perhaps considering there's 1.2 billion of you guys and you still can't put together a sporting team capable of beating 22 million.. cricket, hockey, tennis, soccer.. what else do you guys play? Doesn't matter.

Stick to criticising teams or individuals for their statements or performances, rather than an entire country and you won't get smacked around so much.

 

[SLICKR392]

Aussies are born cheats and born without culture huh lickr? Those two statements alone are contradictory But hmm, what does that say about India? Born losers perhaps considering there's 1.2 billion of you guys and you still can't put together a sporting team capable of beating 22 million.. cricket, hockey, tennis, soccer.. what else do you guys play? Doesn't matter.

Stick to criticising teams or individuals for their statements or performances, rather than an entire country and you won't get smacked around so much.

That was my reply to humble Greg Chappel..who infact is an Aussie! If he can baffle around about our Culture, so can we. And 1.2 billion people have other work to rather than playing cricket.
This isn't a sort of medieval warfare mate 1.2 billion isn't capable of beating 22 million :P And well if you wanna get started with cultures then we could move on to an other forum =]

 

[BKB1991]

I agree with his critical opinions on cricketers ie on Sehwag, Dhoni, Zaheer etc, but this was going to far:

The Poms (British) taught them really well to keep their head down. For if someone was deemed to be responsible, they'd get punished.

 

[puddleduck]

Indeed BKB. This is what I've been trying to get a reasonable answer to from someone. Obviously the stuff about nationalistic culture is a load of rubbish, but by taking it so seriously, hardly doing themselves any favours. He isn't going to come on this forum and give a crap, he's got a book to sell

Still, no one seems to want to talk about the actual, fairly valid issues he raises.

Oh, Sai... I... agree

Much like the EPL media machine in England, I can imagine the Indian cricket press are equally as prone to tabloid based journalism? These aren't noble institutions attempting to convey important news, they're businesses trying to make money, to sell papers.

 

[Sedition]

That was my reply to humble Greg Chappel..who infact is an Aussie! If he can baffle around about our Culture, so can we. And 1.2 billion people have other work to rather than playing cricket.
This isn't a sort of medieval warfare mate 1.2 billion isn't capable of beating 22 million :P And well if you wanna get started with cultures then we could move on to an other forum =]

Greg's not going to read your reply though, so it was pretty useless when you could've instead argued why his views are wrong and that some of his comments smacked of bitterness. I think he's in a better position to comment on India and their cricket team's culture though considering he's been there, what do you know of Australian culture, besides that you think we must cheat to be so successful?

It's hard to dispute anything else Greg said though, considering there's a lot of truth in it.

 

[puddleduck]

So many ostriches in this forum, it's crazy

LALALALALALA, I can't hear you, nernernernernerner.

 

[SLICKR392]

Greg's not going to read your reply though, so it was pretty useless when you could've instead argued why his views are wrong and that some of his comments smacked of bitterness. I think he's in a better position to comment on India and their cricket team's culture though considering he's been there, what do you know of Australian culture, besides that you think we must cheat to be so successful?

It's hard to dispute anything else Greg said though, considering there's a lot of truth in it.

My reply to his statement in this forum is by what I meant by reply to Greg. Mature yourself son before you get into an argument. Being in India for 2 years doesn't mean he knows what our culture is all about. Coaching the team doesn't give you that knowledge aswell. There is a lot of truth in it is because you are an Aussie, so is he.
And its pretty clear you hate India (Indians), neither do I like the Aussies.
And again, I was commenting on his statement, I don't care if the Aussies have enough culture or not, that isn't my concern..and it shouldn't be his either.
This broken lad desperately wants to sell his books. Doesn't matter how filthy and cheap his statements on anyone is. On the first place, what right does Greg have to comment on us when he was kicked out from both India and Australia.

what do you know of Australian culture, besides that you think we must cheat to be so successful?

Well, have you not got your own opinion on us !? Well these are mine on you, Aussies.
If you can't stick with it, you better deal with it mate.

 

[Sedition]

Pretty clear that I hate Indians Because I criticise the cricket team and their sporting abilities after you continuously show your bigotry towards us? Sure, I dislike some Indians, but obviously you're going to have plenty of idiots amongst 1.2 billion potentials. No point taking notice of you further since you admit a dislike of people based on nationality, can't argue with the statements made, so attack the country instead.

 

[SaiSrini]

Oh, Sai... I... agree

Which post of mine you agree to?