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India A v West Indies A - 1st Unofficial One Day International 1991/2 - Delhi
Pitch: 8A - Some help for spinners
Weather: 3 - Hot and sunny
Toss: India A
India A won the toss and elected to bat first on a pitch expected to offer help to the spinners.
They lost opener Jadeja early again, his 4th failure in a row in India A colours, but Laxman and Dravid repaired the damage.
Both batsmen settled quickly and moved steadily through the gears.
By the time Laxman was out for 91, leading the race to a century, the pair had added 169 for the 2nd wicket and set up a big total by scoring at above 5 per over.
Dravid went on to 119 off 137 balls, playing the anchor role to perfection, and thoroughly justifying the decision to promote him to number 3.
Kapoor and Chetan Sharma hit out at the end to take the score to 278/8 off 50 overs, a total which appeared well out of reach of an inconsistent West Indies A batting lineup.
Chanderpaul claimed 5 wickets. finding turn in the slog overs, but by that stage wickets weren't important, and India easily batted out their overs.
The other two spinners were disappointing on a pitch which should have offered them assistance, and the pacemen had little impact.
The West Indies openers got starts, and when they fell in quick succession captain Holder, and the experienced Arthurton took over.
With 20 overs to go, West Indies A needed 170 to win at 8.50 per over, having built a solid platform of 109/2 off 30 overs, and were still a chance with in form hitters like Drakes and Gibson to come.
Ashish Kapoor then kicked into gear, backing up his unbeaten 20* with the bat with 4 wickets and 3 catches, as he and Joshi spun their way through the West Indies A lower order on a turning pitch.
West Indies lost 66/8 to be all out for a disappointing 175, and lose by the huge margin of 103 runs.
Dravid was Man of the Match for his century which had set up what turned out to be an impregnable total on a pitch offering the spinners assistance.
India A take a 1-0 lead in the 5 match Unofficial ODI series.
India A won by 103 runs
Man of the Match: R.S.Dravid
India A 278/8 (50 overs)
(V.V.S.Laxman 91, R.S.Dravid 119, A.R.Kapoor 20*; A.H.Gray 2-52, S.Chanderpaul 5-57)
West Indies A 175 all out (47.2 overs)
(S.C.Williams 20, R.I.C.Holder 63, K.L.T.Arthurton 47; Chetan Sharma 2-33, S.B.Joshi 3-26, A.R.Kapoor 4-36)
Full scorecards and reports on the blog:
Planet Cricket - International Cricket - 1991/2 and Onwards[DOUBLEPOST=1507196837][/DOUBLEPOST]
Gooch and Atherton looking in great form so far.
India A v West Indies A - 1st Unofficial One Day International 1991/2 - Delhi
Pitch: 8A - Some help for spinners
Weather: 3 - Hot and sunny
Toss: India A
India A won the toss and elected to bat first on a pitch expected to offer help to the spinners.
They lost opener Jadeja early again, his 4th failure in a row in India A colours, but Laxman and Dravid repaired the damage.
Both batsmen settled quickly and moved steadily through the gears.
By the time Laxman was out for 91, leading the race to a century, the pair had added 169 for the 2nd wicket and set up a big total by scoring at above 5 per over.
Dravid went on to 119 off 137 balls, playing the anchor role to perfection, and thoroughly justifying the decision to promote him to number 3.
Kapoor and Chetan Sharma hit out at the end to take the score to 278/8 off 50 overs, a total which appeared well out of reach of an inconsistent West Indies A batting lineup.
Chanderpaul claimed 5 wickets. finding turn in the slog overs, but by that stage wickets weren't important, and India easily batted out their overs.
The other two spinners were disappointing on a pitch which should have offered them assistance, and the pacemen had little impact.
The West Indies openers got starts, and when they fell in quick succession captain Holder, and the experienced Arthurton took over.
With 20 overs to go, West Indies A needed 170 to win at 8.50 per over, having built a solid platform of 109/2 off 30 overs, and were still a chance with in form hitters like Drakes and Gibson to come.
Ashish Kapoor then kicked into gear, backing up his unbeaten 20* with the bat with 4 wickets and 3 catches, as he and Joshi spun their way through the West Indies A lower order on a turning pitch.
West Indies lost 66/8 to be all out for a disappointing 175, and lose by the huge margin of 103 runs.
Dravid was Man of the Match for his century which had set up what turned out to be an impregnable total on a pitch offering the spinners assistance.
India A take a 1-0 lead in the 5 match Unofficial ODI series.
India A won by 103 runs
Man of the Match: R.S.Dravid
India A 278/8 (50 overs)
(V.V.S.Laxman 91, R.S.Dravid 119, A.R.Kapoor 20*; A.H.Gray 2-52, S.Chanderpaul 5-57)
West Indies A 175 all out (47.2 overs)
(S.C.Williams 20, R.I.C.Holder 63, K.L.T.Arthurton 47; Chetan Sharma 2-33, S.B.Joshi 3-26, A.R.Kapoor 4-36)
Full scorecards and reports on the blog:
Planet Cricket - International Cricket - 1991/2 and Onwards[DOUBLEPOST=1507196837][/DOUBLEPOST]
Oh, yeah boy. What a fantastic win.
Gooch and Atherton looking in great form so far.
@CerealKiller @ThanksRudolph
Sri Lankan Board XI v West Indies - 3 day First Class match 1991/2 - P.Saravanamattu Stadium, Colombo
Pitch: 31
Toss: Sri Lankan Board XI
The home side won a vital toss, and this gave them an advantage they maintained throughout the course of a one sided, but ultimately Drawn match.
Openers Dhammika Ranatunga and Dulip Samaraweera raised healthy opening stands in both innings, with Samaraweera making 45 and an unbeaten 61* in an impressive double.
With Chandana 52* and Dharmasena 45 adding 97 for the 8th wicket in the first innings, the Sri Lankan Board XI always had enough runs to play with, and after declaring both their innings early, nearly challenged for victory.
Ruwan Kalpage took full advantage of the spinning conditions to take 5-28, and West Indies were dismissed in their 1st innings for 200, to concede a 1st innings lead of 76.
A bold 2nd innings declaration by dumped former Sri Lankan captain Arjuna Ranatunga set West Indies 183 to win off roughly 55 overs on a Spinners Paradise.
A 45 minute shower, and then bad light and a gritty Lambert innings ultimately saved the West Indies, as they finished at 142/8 after 40 overs, with 15 overs unbowled.
The home side were overwhelming favourites at that point, and Ranatunga was probably left to rue the decision to give his seamers an extended bowl early in the 2nd inning, which delayed the spinners introduction.
A draw flattered the West Indies, and the success of the home side's spinners will give the Sri Lankans renewed hope for a close and competive Test series to follow.
Man of the Match was Ruwan Kalpage, for his match figures of 7-44 which so nearly gave his side victory.
Match Drawn
Man of the Match: R.S.Kalpage
Sri Lankan Board XI 276/8 declared (98.4 overs)
(D.Ranatunga 39, D.P.Samaraweera 45, S.Ranatunga 29, A.Ranatunga 25, U.D.U.Chandana 52*, H.D.P.K.Dharmasena 45; B.P.Patterson 3-71, R.A.Harper 4-67)
West Indies 200 all out (65.1 overs)
(D.L.Haynes 61, P.V.Simmons 40, R.B.Richardson 42; R.S.Kalpage 5-28, R.P.Arnold 3-29)
Sri Lankan Board XI 106/1 declared (33 overs)
(D.Ranatunga 37, D.P.Samaraweera 61*)
West Indies 142/8 (40 overs)
(P.V.Simmons 43, R.B.Richardson 46, C.B.Lambert 30; U.D.U.Chandana 2-32, R.S.Kalpage 2-16, R.P.Arnold 2-8)
Full scorecards and innings by innings reports on the blog:
Planet Cricket - International Cricket - 1991/2 and Onwards
Sri Lankan Board XI v West Indies - 3 day First Class match 1991/2 - P.Saravanamattu Stadium, Colombo
Pitch: 31
Toss: Sri Lankan Board XI
The home side won a vital toss, and this gave them an advantage they maintained throughout the course of a one sided, but ultimately Drawn match.
Openers Dhammika Ranatunga and Dulip Samaraweera raised healthy opening stands in both innings, with Samaraweera making 45 and an unbeaten 61* in an impressive double.
With Chandana 52* and Dharmasena 45 adding 97 for the 8th wicket in the first innings, the Sri Lankan Board XI always had enough runs to play with, and after declaring both their innings early, nearly challenged for victory.
Ruwan Kalpage took full advantage of the spinning conditions to take 5-28, and West Indies were dismissed in their 1st innings for 200, to concede a 1st innings lead of 76.
A bold 2nd innings declaration by dumped former Sri Lankan captain Arjuna Ranatunga set West Indies 183 to win off roughly 55 overs on a Spinners Paradise.
A 45 minute shower, and then bad light and a gritty Lambert innings ultimately saved the West Indies, as they finished at 142/8 after 40 overs, with 15 overs unbowled.
The home side were overwhelming favourites at that point, and Ranatunga was probably left to rue the decision to give his seamers an extended bowl early in the 2nd inning, which delayed the spinners introduction.
A draw flattered the West Indies, and the success of the home side's spinners will give the Sri Lankans renewed hope for a close and competive Test series to follow.
Man of the Match was Ruwan Kalpage, for his match figures of 7-44 which so nearly gave his side victory.
Match Drawn
Man of the Match: R.S.Kalpage
Sri Lankan Board XI 276/8 declared (98.4 overs)
(D.Ranatunga 39, D.P.Samaraweera 45, S.Ranatunga 29, A.Ranatunga 25, U.D.U.Chandana 52*, H.D.P.K.Dharmasena 45; B.P.Patterson 3-71, R.A.Harper 4-67)
West Indies 200 all out (65.1 overs)
(D.L.Haynes 61, P.V.Simmons 40, R.B.Richardson 42; R.S.Kalpage 5-28, R.P.Arnold 3-29)
Sri Lankan Board XI 106/1 declared (33 overs)
(D.Ranatunga 37, D.P.Samaraweera 61*)
West Indies 142/8 (40 overs)
(P.V.Simmons 43, R.B.Richardson 46, C.B.Lambert 30; U.D.U.Chandana 2-32, R.S.Kalpage 2-16, R.P.Arnold 2-8)
Full scorecards and innings by innings reports on the blog:
Planet Cricket - International Cricket - 1991/2 and Onwards
CerealKiller
Staff Member
This defeat shows a worrying lack of bench strength.
Is a big drop off from the 40+ averages of Lara, Richardson, Haynes, Adams, to 20 something averages of most of the batsmen on the bench.
The bowling is not too bad, is just that the reserve batsman are only scoring about half the runs of guys like Lara and Haynes.
You have Chanderpaul coming through on your A tour, probably not scoring enough runs yet to justify a spot in the Test squad, but a 100 in one of the A Tests might change that.
He is due to debut in Tests in 1993/4, but if he makes a case for himself could be picked sooner.
And Arthurton is not a bad player, capable of Test hundreds and tidy ODI bowling, maybe unlucky to be left out of the Test squad.
The bowling is not too bad, is just that the reserve batsman are only scoring about half the runs of guys like Lara and Haynes.
You have Chanderpaul coming through on your A tour, probably not scoring enough runs yet to justify a spot in the Test squad, but a 100 in one of the A Tests might change that.
He is due to debut in Tests in 1993/4, but if he makes a case for himself could be picked sooner.
And Arthurton is not a bad player, capable of Test hundreds and tidy ODI bowling, maybe unlucky to be left out of the Test squad.
@Slowcoach is my match simmed??
@Nitrogen
Just finished typing up the report from the Sri Lankan Board XI v West Indies 3 day match to get everything up to date, about to sim your match now.
Might give you a short update at the 15 and 30 over marks before I get the chance to finish the match and put a full report up.
@Nitrogen
Teams for match 2nd Unofficial ODI between India A and West Indies A at Bangalore:
India A XI:
V.V.S.Laxman
N.R.Mongia (wk)
R.S.Dravid
V.G.Kambli
S.C.Ganguly (c) RM
Gursharan Singh
R.R.Singh RMF
A.R.Kapoor OB
S.B.Joshi SLA
Chetan Sharma RFM
B.K.V.Prasad RMF
West Indies A XI:
S.L.Campbell
R.G.Samuels
D.R.E.Joseph
R.I.C.Holder (c)
K.L.T.Arthurton SLA
S.Chanderpaul LBG
R.D.Jacobs (wk)
O.D.Gibson RF
A.C.Cummins RFM
A.H.Gray RF
I.B.A.Allen RFM
India A won the toss and elected to Bowl first, 15 over update to follow.[DOUBLEPOST=1507212701][/DOUBLEPOST]West Indies have gone with 4 quicks due to pitch helping seamers, might make the result closer.
Teams for match 2nd Unofficial ODI between India A and West Indies A at Bangalore:
India A XI:
V.V.S.Laxman
N.R.Mongia (wk)
R.S.Dravid
V.G.Kambli
S.C.Ganguly (c) RM
Gursharan Singh
R.R.Singh RMF
A.R.Kapoor OB
S.B.Joshi SLA
Chetan Sharma RFM
B.K.V.Prasad RMF
West Indies A XI:
S.L.Campbell
R.G.Samuels
D.R.E.Joseph
R.I.C.Holder (c)
K.L.T.Arthurton SLA
S.Chanderpaul LBG
R.D.Jacobs (wk)
O.D.Gibson RF
A.C.Cummins RFM
A.H.Gray RF
I.B.A.Allen RFM
India A won the toss and elected to Bowl first, 15 over update to follow.[DOUBLEPOST=1507212701][/DOUBLEPOST]West Indies have gone with 4 quicks due to pitch helping seamers, might make the result closer.
@Nitrogen
India A v West Indies A - 2nd Unofficial ODI - Bangalore - 30 over update:
West Indies 85/2 (30 overs)
(R.G.Samuels 43*, R.I.C.Holder 29*; Chetan Sharma 2-25)
...
Grinding to a halt against the spinners, becomes T20 match with 8 wickets in hand now, with Arthurton, Chanderpaul, Jacobs, and big hitter Ottis Gibson to come, West Indies still have a chance of making 200.
A lot depends on how much assistance the seamers get from the pitch in their closing overs, if tour pattern is anything to go buy for West Indies A expect a collapse and not much acceleration.
India A v West Indies A - 2nd Unofficial ODI - Bangalore - 30 over update:
West Indies 85/2 (30 overs)
(R.G.Samuels 43*, R.I.C.Holder 29*; Chetan Sharma 2-25)
...
Grinding to a halt against the spinners, becomes T20 match with 8 wickets in hand now, with Arthurton, Chanderpaul, Jacobs, and big hitter Ottis Gibson to come, West Indies still have a chance of making 200.
A lot depends on how much assistance the seamers get from the pitch in their closing overs, if tour pattern is anything to go buy for West Indies A expect a collapse and not much acceleration.
@Nitrogen
Yes, is the way of ODIs with this game engine, often very slow unless you get two fast scorers Settled and Batting Well and in Looking For Runs mode for a good partnership.
Probably look at back at World Cup 1999 for the sort of scores to expect, in that World Cup in one group game Pakistan was 77/3 off 30 overs v Australia, then scored 198 off their last 20 to finish with 275.
Is an extreme example, but this is in 1991/2 using players from that era, and in the 1992 World Cup most teams viewed 220 as a winning score.
Was generally slow starts, then score at 6+ for the final 20 overs, 100 off 30 overs was generally the target for most teams as a base in the late 80's, early 90's.
You would find if I used current era players from the last 10 years that ODI totals will be higher due to the increase in scoring over the last 15 or so years at international level in all forms
These are old era players, and I am also using an engine meant for Test cricket, so scores will often be a little bit lower than modern games.
The highest total any team has scored in a 50 over game I've played using this engine is a 1978 India A team scoring 346/5 off 50 overs on a Fast Paced Wicket v Pakistan A.
A Fast Paced Wicket increases the quality of a batsman's shots, resulting in a lot more boundaries, basically a fast outfield, and is the most likely way of achieving a 300+ ODI total in this game.
So it is possible to score high totals, but takes luck, and the right conditions.
Robert Samuels took an age to get Settled in this innings and earn his Batting Well panel and shift up the gears, then as soon as he did shift up a gear he got out, all he did was waste time.
He's probably not suited to 50 over cricket, I think he played more Tests than ODIs, but ODI big hitter Stuart Williams was injured for this match, and the other openers have been failing so he deserved a chance.
He might get dropped now despite scoring 46, though he probably deserves at least one more chance.
Holder is hard to get out, so is consistent scorer, but not a big hitter or fast scorer compared to some of the others unless he is in Hitting Out mode.
Most of the other batsmen in this squad apart from Chanderpaul have poor defense, but decent strike rates, but all tour it has been Holder digging them out of holes in the limited overs games
With his limited strike rate he can only do so much, a big innings from someone like Arthurton or Wallace or Williams would come at a faster rate and probably win more games.
Most of the Indian batsmen you're using are a class above these guys, mostly a lot harder to dismiss, though the bowling is probably fairly even, ex Test bowler Tony Gray from West Indies A is probably the outstanding bowler on either side, averaged low 20's in Tests, but had not played Tests for about 5 years and was just playing A team cricket in 1991/2.
Interested to see how the Indian attack go in the 4 day matches, might find it harder to dimiss the West Indies cheaply if they can take their time, if West Indies get lucky with a toss or two it might be closer than the matches so far.
Score now:
West Indies 108/3 (36 overs)
(R.G.Samuels 46, R.I.C.Holder 42*, K.L.T.Arthurton 7*)
....
About to go into Hitting Out mode with both batsmen, is the slog overs.
Is basically 4 gears to batting...Defensive, Normal, Looking For Runs, Hitting Out...Hitting Out is just for T20s and the slog overs of an ODI...Looking For Runs is good for the middle overs of an ODI.
They need a bit of luck to get 200 from here, if they do then I think they are a chance on this pitch because it is helping the seamers and they have 4 pacemen this match.
Yes, is the way of ODIs with this game engine, often very slow unless you get two fast scorers Settled and Batting Well and in Looking For Runs mode for a good partnership.
Probably look at back at World Cup 1999 for the sort of scores to expect, in that World Cup in one group game Pakistan was 77/3 off 30 overs v Australia, then scored 198 off their last 20 to finish with 275.
Is an extreme example, but this is in 1991/2 using players from that era, and in the 1992 World Cup most teams viewed 220 as a winning score.
Was generally slow starts, then score at 6+ for the final 20 overs, 100 off 30 overs was generally the target for most teams as a base in the late 80's, early 90's.
You would find if I used current era players from the last 10 years that ODI totals will be higher due to the increase in scoring over the last 15 or so years at international level in all forms
These are old era players, and I am also using an engine meant for Test cricket, so scores will often be a little bit lower than modern games.
The highest total any team has scored in a 50 over game I've played using this engine is a 1978 India A team scoring 346/5 off 50 overs on a Fast Paced Wicket v Pakistan A.
A Fast Paced Wicket increases the quality of a batsman's shots, resulting in a lot more boundaries, basically a fast outfield, and is the most likely way of achieving a 300+ ODI total in this game.
So it is possible to score high totals, but takes luck, and the right conditions.
Robert Samuels took an age to get Settled in this innings and earn his Batting Well panel and shift up the gears, then as soon as he did shift up a gear he got out, all he did was waste time.
He's probably not suited to 50 over cricket, I think he played more Tests than ODIs, but ODI big hitter Stuart Williams was injured for this match, and the other openers have been failing so he deserved a chance.
He might get dropped now despite scoring 46, though he probably deserves at least one more chance.
Holder is hard to get out, so is consistent scorer, but not a big hitter or fast scorer compared to some of the others unless he is in Hitting Out mode.
Most of the other batsmen in this squad apart from Chanderpaul have poor defense, but decent strike rates, but all tour it has been Holder digging them out of holes in the limited overs games
With his limited strike rate he can only do so much, a big innings from someone like Arthurton or Wallace or Williams would come at a faster rate and probably win more games.
Most of the Indian batsmen you're using are a class above these guys, mostly a lot harder to dismiss, though the bowling is probably fairly even, ex Test bowler Tony Gray from West Indies A is probably the outstanding bowler on either side, averaged low 20's in Tests, but had not played Tests for about 5 years and was just playing A team cricket in 1991/2.
Interested to see how the Indian attack go in the 4 day matches, might find it harder to dimiss the West Indies cheaply if they can take their time, if West Indies get lucky with a toss or two it might be closer than the matches so far.
Score now:
West Indies 108/3 (36 overs)
(R.G.Samuels 46, R.I.C.Holder 42*, K.L.T.Arthurton 7*)
....
About to go into Hitting Out mode with both batsmen, is the slog overs.
Is basically 4 gears to batting...Defensive, Normal, Looking For Runs, Hitting Out...Hitting Out is just for T20s and the slog overs of an ODI...Looking For Runs is good for the middle overs of an ODI.
They need a bit of luck to get 200 from here, if they do then I think they are a chance on this pitch because it is helping the seamers and they have 4 pacemen this match.
West Indies A suffer the usual middle and later order collapse in the slog overs.
Seamer Venkatesh Prasad claims 3 wickets in 2 overs to bowl them out inside 50 overs.
West Indies A 170 all out (48 overs)
(R.G.Samuels 46, R.I.C.Holder 54, K.L.T.Arthurton 30; Chetan Sharma 2-39, B.K.V.Prasad 3-27, S.C.Ganguly 3-33, A.R.Kapoor 2-26)
West Indies lost 45/7 in 9 overs to be all out without batting their overs out.
The tour has hit a new low.
Seamer Venkatesh Prasad claims 3 wickets in 2 overs to bowl them out inside 50 overs.
West Indies A 170 all out (48 overs)
(R.G.Samuels 46, R.I.C.Holder 54, K.L.T.Arthurton 30; Chetan Sharma 2-39, B.K.V.Prasad 3-27, S.C.Ganguly 3-33, A.R.Kapoor 2-26)
West Indies lost 45/7 in 9 overs to be all out without batting their overs out.
The tour has hit a new low.
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