Mafia - Janitorial 2.0 - Game Abandoned

[Sulaiman7]

So much happened in my absence , I didn't expect that but as I can see the posts above , they tell me that we are in a terrible position and the mafias are in a winning position so , we must be very careful and don't mislynch in a hurry.

 

[P Squared]

Okay I think we've waited long enough, we should lynch thedon. There's no other better option, he could be miller, he could be mafia, its worth taking a punt.

In hindsight though, I should have waited a bit before revealing my result, could have worked out who was mafia more easily.

 

[thedon5]

Okay I think we've waited long enough, we should lynch thedon. There's no other better option, he could be miller, he could be mafia, its worth taking a punt.

In hindsight though, I should have waited a bit before revealing my result, could have worked out who was mafia more easily.

Heh, we haven't even heard from Varun or surendar yet, and other like Sulaiman and Umair have barely said anything

I'm not saying don't do it, I'm saying at least wait a day or so.

I disagree about worth taking the punt. 4 vs 3 will be pretty much impossible to win from for you guys, unless the doc makes a save it's game over really. Right now you have no better option, that could change.

Anyway, just keep in mind I will come up as the Mafia goon when I am lynched - that should prove better than anything else that I was the miller and it is 4 vs 3 so you guys have to be careful when you realise that.

 

[P Squared]

I dont think anyone is going to contribute anything groundbreaking really, there's no other power role and all the play today has centred around you being guilty, with no one acting overly suspicious except maybe user2k10, so everyone will be playing a cautious game, ideal for the mafia.

That is partly my fault though, I revealed the result too early, but right now there is no better choice, a no lynch would be worse.

 

[Sulaiman7]

^But shouldn't we wait for Varun and Surendar first and see what they say ?

 

[P Squared]

Go on then wait, its in your hands anyway, I've placed my lynch.

However, do you expect them to analyse posts basically saying 'we should wait, too early'? Its day 1 ffs, you have to take a few risks, and if someone has been inactive then that is their fault.

 

[thedon5]

It's simply a free ride for the Mafia. Not doing the town any favours, are you.

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And okay, well strategy:

Night 0 - Mafia should kill and clean up kill. Lawyer should be on the nilla mafia, but may be on janitor.

Something to note. This is the strategy hedger explained, and from the janned killing of me, it's quite clear that the Mafia followed this, and I would wager that the lawyer was on the Mafia goon. That means only three people would've come up as guilty last night, two Mafia and one miller.

Something else interesting in Abhas's post where he signed up.

This is the setup used on epicmafia right? I played my first game there, got a gun and killed the town first thing..
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Ah no, this doesn't have the gunsmith, but sounds very interesting.

Abhas clearly knows this set-up. Do you think he would need to follow hedger's strategy so closely? I don't know about that. I would think a careful but inexperienced Mafia team would do so.

At the very least this proves that if I'm lynched and I come up as vanilla Mafia, you'll know I was the miller - so be careful on day 2 as it's LyLo, and keep in mind no-one else can claim miller in that case.

 

[surendar]

Lol I got confused for moment seeing lynchs of Don. Okay coming back to this,

Perfect, this is the stage where the cop is going to lead from front. One good thing about Don's kill last night - our town is sure of 2 roles - oracle & cop which is good in a way though its sad to see oracle leaving us.

So now with guilty report - miller or mafia, I am with PS's opinion to go for it. Don's repeated stressing of 'I am miller! I am miller!' looks to me as experienced player taking advantage of miller role.

In other end, User's tagging along with Don's opinions ('As Don said' kind of thoughts ) - I am not ruling out this option either as its exact way he played last time too. Trying to build a safe side partner to remove the elements of doubts on him.

At this point,
FOS - Don(Abhas), User

I also expect Sulaiman & Umair to contribute in analysis on what they feel on every role. We need to help the cop out as we cannot just let everything on cop.

On Yash - I am seeing the character of townie in him. Unlynching Don quickly adds him in favor of town thinking to avoid a mis lynch.

 

[Sulaiman7]

The cop is revealed so the mafia will take advantage and lynch a townie as they know the doctor will try to protect the cop first , we rely on the doc's luck now and I am not taking any chances and lynching Don , I'd like to hear more from User as well.

FOS - User

I'd like something more from Simon as well.

 

[Varun]

Sorry, pretty hell of a tiring day. Went over the thread a few hours back but couldn't post.

I don't get why hedger said he'll kill us if we analyse the writeup, but ignoring that it seems mafia got the kill, that is, thedon, who is supposed to be an Oracle who was janned the night if I understand the role right, revealing P_Squared as the Cop. Getting the cop to be out in the open on the first day itself is not something we would want, but with doc being able to target multiple times it's a safe bet that he would be able to carry on his investigations successfully. Our main focus should be to spread confusion regarding the identity of the doc so he can keep doing his work.

I have a totally null read on thedon (Abhas), despite P_Squared's result. Basically if the miller is lynched he shows up as mafia goon and if the mafia goon is lynched he shows up as a mafia goon. The arguments given by thedon work both ways - spreading confusion or defending himself. The lack of a counterclaim is something that puts me in favor of thedon, as if was mafia, the miller would counterclaim, but then again it works both ways since he will appear as a goon on lynching. Plus there's plenty of newbies here, Yashdude, Umair2000, Sulaiman who wouldn't really know what they're doing, so if one of them was a miller...it's extremely annoying that we've no way to confirm if the miller was really a mafia once we've made a lynch.

User; I've lost track of his play. @thedon5 can you explain more accurately why User would target you if he was mafia?

I think a lot depends on the cop targets, given he gets at least one more investigation and as always, what the rest of our vanilla roster can do.

 

[Sulaiman7]

Yashdude, Umair2000, Sulaiman who wouldn't really know what they're doing

This is the 1st or 2nd time everyone is playing this format and it's so confusing. I am trying my level best to contribute.

 

[P Squared]

I have a totally null read on thedon (Abhas), despite P_Squared's result. Basically if the miller is lynched he shows up as mafia goon and if the mafia goon is lynched he shows up as a mafia goon. The arguments given by thedon work both ways - spreading confusion or defending himself. The lack of a counterclaim is something that puts me in favor of thedon, as if was mafia, the miller would counterclaim, but then again it works both ways since he will appear as a goon on lynching. Plus there's plenty of newbies here, Yashdude, Umair2000, Sulaiman who wouldn't really know what they're doing, so if one of them was a miller...it's extremely annoying that we've no way to confirm if the miller was really a mafia once we've made a lynch.

There wont be any counter claim as the miller appears as a villager to himself. Which is why its all so highly convenient for thedon.(if he is indeed mafia)

 

[Gaurav_7]

I don't really get how people are believe I am acting suspiciously. Putting my thoughts out in the open is suspicious? Surender, the 'as he said' thing is usually my way of posting. Nothing suspicious from that. If people are going to suspect me on that then I think I will have to give up playing mafia. Also, Don let me tell you one thing based on your theory that I wanted to get you killed in all the earlier games. If Abhas is there, everyone here knows I will definitely kill him and no one else! So please.

Sulaiman, what do you want to hear from me? Your two posts have added almost nothing. And, Simon has posted very little too. Surender, you feel Yash's quick unlynch is town sided? What if it is deliberately done to make you believe so? I am not saying he can't be town but, I just don't get what is so suspicious of me.

Also, I would like to hear from Don the same that Varun has asked. I will go with whatever the majority decides. If we lynch or no lynch, in both cases it will hurt us given we don't lynch the mafia. But if we do so, then we are in a better position. In the case of Don, we won't know he was who. Either way he will show up as mafia goon as the first post says. It means if he is actually the goon, he will come up as a goon. And, if he is the miller he will still come up as mafia goon.

 

[Villain]

Plus there's plenty of newbies here, Yashdude, Umair2000, Sulaiman who wouldn't really know what they're doing, so if one of them was a miller.

I see what you did there.

I'm inclined to believe Don for now as someone said there was no counterclaim but AFAIK it isn't known to the villager himself that he's a miller. So there's no possibility that someone would counterclaim. Barring the cop's result his play is more like a town tbh, I'm confused right now. As I said a mislynch would cost real bad for town.

User, aren't you always suspicious of me? Be it any game. Trust me your manipulation tactics would fail this time around. All you've been doing is blaming/putting up your allegations on someone rather than adding something yourself.

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And yeah P Squared, mate you shouldn't be editing your post in mafia games.

 

[Varun]

There wont be any counter claim as the miller appears as a villager to himself. Which is why its all so highly convenient for thedon.(if he is indeed mafia)

Oh okay, I missed that I guess. That of course reduces thedon's credibility slightly, but again still almost a null read. Let others speak up more, and then we'll see..