Mafia - Janitorial 2.0 - Game Abandoned

[P Squared]

[/COLOR]And yeah P Squared, mate you shouldn't be editing your post in mafia games.

Been so long I almost forgot that lol. Sorry.

 

[surendar]

I don't really get how people are believe I am acting suspiciously. Putting my thoughts out in the open is suspicious? Surender, the 'as he said' thing is usually my way of posting.

Both the bolded ones are conflicts, User. If he thinks moon is red & if you claim 'As he said' meaning - you are going by his thoughts & not your actual thoughts.

For example,

Let us wait for everyone's input.

Since you wanted to play cautiously and safely with attempt of town's attention getting deviated from you, those 'too much of defensive' kind of things are coming out from you?

Surender, you feel Yash's quick unlynch is town sided? What if it is deliberately done to make you believe so? I am not saying he can't be town but, I just don't get what is so suspicious of me.

Yes that is how I see Yash as. I don't see chances of bringing it on purpose because, the consequences( the way Yash did that unlynch ) - makes me to lean on townside of him. Definitely not looking as mafia read at this time.

Also, I never related you to be mafia because Yash unlynched in some way on someone. Why do you want to relate yourself with my suspects on you with Yash's unlynch? I see a broken link here?

User; I've lost track of his play. @thedon5 can you explain more accurately why User would target you if he was mafia?

This is where I got confused, but I am staying suspicious on both because - If I put myself on miller shoes, I would have more keen to scumhunt & find the broken links to find the real mafia questioning each and every one. But only thing which I have observerd from Don is, 'I am miller! I am miller!' which is making me to see a mafia & defense strategy in him and Don is no newbie. That scumhunt tactics of Don( that he usually contributes as town ) is on weakest side in this game for some reasons.


@PS : What is your call out here? I agree that it is very tough to be 100% sure as most of the new people here are trying to catch up here. But only thing which we can do is - we can set the directions for new town to follow. I am on same page in the direction of a cop.

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[MENTION]Simon[/MENTION], @Umair2000 - More inputs please, what you think of town's current situation?

In particular, Simon - we would need helping hand to assess the town please. Your Thoughts?

 

[Umair7]

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[Sulaiman7]

I don't really get how people are believe I am acting suspiciously. Putting my thoughts out in the open is suspicious? Surender, the 'as he said' thing is usually my way of posting. Nothing suspicious from that. If people are going to suspect me on that then I think I will have to give up playing mafia. Also, Don let me tell you one thing based on your theory that I wanted to get you killed in all the earlier games. If Abhas is there, everyone here knows I will definitely kill him and no one else! So please.

Sulaiman, what do you want to hear from me? Your two posts have added almost nothing. And, Simon has posted very little too. Surender, you feel Yash's quick unlynch is town sided? What if it is deliberately done to make you believe so? I am not saying he can't be town but, I just don't get what is so suspicious of me.

Look user , what you say makes no sense. This is what I wanted from you and why are you trying to blackmail us by saying that we should not suspect you for echoing others' thoughts as your thoughts and not adding anything from your side and then putting all the blame on others ?

 

[Umair7]

I have edited my post to bold the right part

 

[Varun]

I'll add more tomorrow, but for now:

1. No edits.

2. The doc can't protect himself.

 

[thedon5]

This is where I got confused, but I am staying suspicious on both because - If I put myself on miller shoes, I would have more keen to scumhunt & find the broken links to find the real mafia questioning each and every one. But only thing which I have observerd from Don is, 'I am miller! I am miller!' which is making me to see a mafia & defense strategy in him and Don is no newbie. That scumhunt tactics of Don( that he usually contributes as town ) is on weakest side in this game for some reasons.

What do you mean I'm not scumhunting? At the time of my previous post:

P_Squared - Town.
Simon - Very little posted.
Sulaiman7 - Nothing posted of note.
surendar - Not posted yet.
Umair2000 - Severall nothing posts, newbie play.
User_2010 - Gave a Mafia vibe, still sort of is.
Varun - Not posted yet.
yashdude101 - The lynch and unlynch but not too suspicious IMO.

So of the two I guys I could get a proper read on, yash and User, I tried to go one step further and put the FOS on him. I can't do much more as all the discussion is on me.

So either you didn't read the thread properly, or you're simply trying to get in a quick lynch on a guy you know is town. Either way I'm not a fan of your reasons.

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The cop is revealed so the mafia will take advantage and lynch a townie as they know the doctor will try to protect the cop first , we rely on the doc's luck now and I am not taking any chances and lynching Don , I'd like to hear more from User as well.

FOS - User

I'd like something more from Simon as well.

This is the key. Doc will obviously be on P_Squared, Mafia need a kill, any kill at all, and the cop is quite insignificant as numbers can give the Mafia the win. So even if P_Squared picks out a Mafia member, I still see little luck for the town to win if there is a mislynch today.

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I have a totally null read on thedon (Abhas), despite P_Squared's result. Basically if the miller is lynched he shows up as mafia goon and if the mafia goon is lynched he shows up as a mafia goon. The arguments given by thedon work both ways - spreading confusion or defending himself. The lack of a counterclaim is something that puts me in favor of thedon, as if was mafia, the miller would counterclaim, but then again it works both ways since he will appear as a goon on lynching. Plus there's plenty of newbies here, Yashdude, Umair2000, Sulaiman who wouldn't really know what they're doing, so if one of them was a miller...it's extremely annoying that we've no way to confirm if the miller was really a mafia once we've made a lynch.

As per hedger's strategy, the lawyer was probably on the Mafia goon yesterday, so he would've come up as innocent to a cop. If I come up as Mafia goon with a guilty report, then it means I was miller.

User; I've lost track of his play. @thedon5 can you explain more accurately why User would target you if he was mafia?

He has suggested me as a night 0 kill in the 2-3 games in which he has played Mafia. This is not the basis of my suspicion though - I did not like User's posts throughout the game. Another thing to note, he has been very defensive, especially in his last few posts, and I ask why that is necessary as he has very little chance of being lynched with all the heat on me. That is Mafia behaviour.

 

[surendar]

@DoN - I have read all your posts before I posted mine. Your comparisons on Hedger's strategy & comparing with Abhas experience and all is just looking to me as attempt to build a solid wall around you from suspects. It's not your style of play, you never questioned or tried to question the town to assess the situation. What is worrying me - most of the time, your posts looked 'don't lynch me, believe me I am a miller, I am a miller' with too much stressing category to me.

In other words rather than helping cop, you are keen to protect yourself too much. 'Too much' is the catch that is making me to retain the suspects.

At this time - my top radar is User & Don. Simon's less inputs is added worry factor. I am ready to listen to our cop's call out.

 

[thedon5]

@DoN - I have read all your posts before I posted mine. Your comparisons on Hedger's strategy & comparing with Abhas experience and all is just looking to me as attempt to build a solid wall around you from suspects. It's not your style of play, you never questioned or tried to question the town to assess the situation. What is worrying me - most of the time, your posts looked 'don't lynch me, believe me I am a miller, I am a miller' with too much stressing category to me.

In other words rather than helping cop, you are keen to protect yourself too much. 'Too much' is the catch that is making me to retain the suspects.

At this time - my top radar is User & Don. Simon's less inputs is added worry factor. I am ready to listen to our cop's call out.

I have done more scumhunting than anyone else. Everyone else has just been discussing whether or not to lynch me, the perfect way for a Mafia member to hide by just posting filler - I have been displaying my thoughts and going after people.

How am I protecting myself 'too much'? I have several times said I am pretty much resigned to being lynched today, so I have consistently made my views known so that the town can follow them, I haven't been saying "Don't lynch me, I am miller, I am miller". I still have to try and save myself, as a mislynch is disastrous for the town and means it's pretty much game over. It is ridiculous for you to suggest I do otherwise. Never before have I played a game where I have come up as guilty to the confirmed cop, so that really changes things...

How on Earth can I help the cop? He just wants to get me lynched without discussing things further, hell before you and Varun even posted! If he wasn't a confirmed townie, I would be on him hard. His play is poor IMO.

Simon always barely posts. I think he's made one post so far this game...

Anyway, more than anything your posts remind me of Mafia play in that you seem to have a steadfast opinion you won't change, you are quoting certain things from my posts but leaving others out, and you are trying to suggest that I shouldn't. You are trying to engineer the lynch against me quickly before the town can get a chance to look at other suspects, User is the only other one that has been questioned at all, and that is because of me, he may well be town too though. Your first post was suspicious to me, and this one doesn't change that, your intent seems to be to engineer a quick lynch, and if you were Mafia you would know that isn't a risk as P_Squared is doing the same thing, and that is the key for me.

FOS: surendar

I am certain there is one Mafia member between surendar and User. I also think there is one between Sulaiman/Umair/Simon, more likely the latter two as Sulaiman has been better than Umair and Simon. Not too sure on the last one.

 

[surendar]

How am I protecting myself 'too much'? I have several times said I am pretty much resigned to being lynched today, so I have consistently made my views known so that the town can follow them

Just look to yourself on how many times you have stressed that you are town in below references, too much isn't it? You are not looking to us to follow you as town, rather you are looking to insist us as 'Must follow' you as town.

Reference 1 :

Anyway, just keep in mind I will come up as the Mafia goon when I am lynched - that should prove better than anything else that I was the miller and it is 4 vs 3 so you guys have to be careful when you realise that.

Reference 2 :

It's simply a free ride for the Mafia. Not doing the town any favours, are you.

Reference 3 : This is one of the weirdest post that has been put up for defense in this game. Why will even Abhas' experience comes into play when Hedger just put a sample instance of strategy & he didn't mean anything as must follow. This is the biggest broken link.

Something to note. This is the strategy hedger explained, and from the janned killing of me, it's quite clear that the Mafia followed this, and I would wager that the lawyer was on the Mafia goon. That means only three people would've come up as guilty last night, two Mafia and one miller.

Abhas clearly knows this set-up. Do you think he would need to follow hedger's strategy so closely? I don't know about that. I would think a careful but inexperienced Mafia team would do so.

At the very least this proves that if I'm lynched and I come up as vanilla Mafia, you'll know I was the miller - so be careful on day 2 as it's LyLo, and keep in mind no-one else can claim miller in that case.

Reference 4 :

Honestly though, other than lynching myself I see very little opportunity for us to lynch anyone else unless there is some disastrous Mafia play which allows that. From the perspective of a neutral townie (i.e. someone who doesn't know that I am town), it would be difficult to lynch anyone else other than me. Tbh even a no lynch isn't a possibility as it's not going to help us too much for the next day as we'll be back at MyLo by tomorrow in a difficult position to find two more Mafia over the next two days.

Not blaming anyone here, but due to P_Squared's result, I see no easy way that we can win.

I don't want to repeat which I already said it. When I said, I meant it & stand by it.

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[MENTION]P Squared[/MENTION] - Let us know your final call, my call is between Don & User which is pretty clear. Since you are going to play very critical role in saving the town, I would like to see a unity among town members to go in one direction.

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Anyway, more than anything your posts remind me of Mafia play in that you seem to have a steadfast opinion you won't change, you are quoting certain things from my posts but leaving others out, and you are trying to suggest that I shouldn't.

• Yash - pretty clear on my side( reasons mentioned by me twice ).
• Umair & Sulaiman - Clear & obvious read at this point that they are even trying to catch up on what is going on. Going against newbie would have been easy tactic if I was on Mafia side, stating they are silent and suspicious and all.
• Simon - Am waiting for his silence to be broken too which I have iterated twice as worrying factor?

I don't understand those lines where you said that I am leaving others. I don't want to sound insisting by repeating same stuffs that I have already said. This qutoted post again looks like broken link to me?

 

[hedger_14]

I don't get why hedger said he'll kill us if we analyse the writeup

It was a joke. Just don't do it cause there's nothing to analyse.

 

[P Squared]

He just wants to get me lynched without discussing things further, hell before you and Varun even posted! If he wasn't a confirmed townie, I would be on him hard. His play is poor IMO.

If I wasn't confirmed townie, I wouldn't be this aggressive. Sort of gave me a free license.



The way I see it though
Sulaiman,yashdude,umair have posted a bit, although its just been repeating what others have said. Nothing too suspicious.

Simon needs to post or be replaced.

User has been playing rather defensive. None of his posts actually target others, which is strange for him.Certainly not enough to lynch though.

Varun, Surender are giving town vibes atm.

thedon, abhas' experience has absolutely nothing to do with how he would have played, for all you know he could have been doing that in every game he has played in this setup. So that reason is incredibly straw clutchy, you're trying too hard. I call bullshit.

 

[thedon5]

Just look to yourself on how many times you have stressed that you are town in below references, too much isn't it? You are not looking to us to follow you as town, rather you are looking to insist us as 'Must follow' you as town.

Reference 1 :


Reference 2 :

These two references aren't really similar at all.

In reply to your first reference, I'm not sure what you expect. Put yourself in my shoes. I know I am town, and I know how this set-up works. A mislynch means pretty much game over, and to be completely honest, looking at the strength and inactivity of most of the players here, I would think the town has no chance. Any townie wants the town to win. This isn't going to happen if I am lynched, so of course I have to try and stop that from happening.

Reference 2 is completely true, P_Squared especially and you to a lesser extent are giving the Mafia a free ride. All the heat on me means they can sit back and post nothing of note, no suspicion will go anywhere near them. Even if you do lynch me, you have to have a good picture of who else could be Mafia before tomorrow. Especially for P_Squared's investigation, right now it's just a stab in the dark.

In reply to your first paragraph, you have quoted one instance where I have defended myself in reference 1, and another in reference 3... That is twice... How on Earth is that 'too much'? I have no idea what your last sentence means.

Reference 3 : This is one of the weirdest post that has been put up for defense in this game. Why will even Abhas' experience comes into play when Hedger just put a sample instance of strategy & he didn't mean anything as must follow. This is the biggest broken link.

I don't understand this either, haha, I can explain this one. I went to bed around 2. I've got a bit of a flu atm so I keep waking up several times at night. I woke up at around 5, couldn't sleep for almost an hour. I randomly started thinking about Mafia so pulled out my laptop and made the post. I still don't know what I meant, I was in an extremely tired state and I'm surprised that post was even coherent. Check the time of the post, I live in NZ if you don't believe me. Really the only explanation I can give. Either way, I don't see how that post is a scummy post, to me it's just a poor attempt at a defence.

Reference 4 :

I don't want to repeat which I already said it. When I said, I meant it & stand by it.

I struggle to see what's wrong with this, this looks like a an extremely good point I am making. I am simply putting myself in your guys' shoes and explaining why I realise that I will most likely be lynched. This is about as town as a post can get.

[MENTION]P Squared[/MENTION] - Let us know your final call, my call is between Don & User which is pretty clear. Since you are going to play very critical role in saving the town, I would like to see a unity among town members to go in one direction.

I don't understand why you'd ask P_Squared this if you were town. You know his stance, he wants to lynch me or no-one and isn't interested in anything else. If you were asking anyone, I have no idea why it would be him. He is the one who has put us in this situation, and his tunnel vision is distracting us. Something he doesn't seem to realise is that even if I am Mafia, the town still has to find my two partners on day 2 onwards, and all he has done is given them a free ride - they don't have to say anything helpful and they'll be safe, no suspicions on them whatsoever. If I am Mafia, and you lynch me, with the way the game is going I really doubt you'll be able to lynch the other two as everyone seems to have a null read on everyone with the heat only on myself and User. I am not Mafia though, that makes it even worse for the town and makes the chances of a win even slimmer.

Other than your tunnel vision trying to go after only me (which could as well be town play not thinking about how to properly approach the game), you certainly aren't under the radar and that is what's starting to make me believe that you're town.

I don't understand those lines where you said that I am leaving others. I don't want to sound insisting by repeating same stuffs that I have already said. This qutoted post again looks like broken link to me?

You misunderstood man, I mean you are quoting certain things from my posts which can be taken in many ways, with some of those ways being perhaps scummy, but leaving out other things such as my scumhunting and how I have helped the town more than anyone else in thinking up strategies and explaining the set-up. This is something that Mafia would do. You are taking 5-10% of my posts and saying that 5-10% is what confirms me as Mafia.

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If I wasn't confirmed townie, I wouldn't be this aggressive. Sort of gave me a free license.



The way I see it though
Sulaiman,yashdude,umair have posted a bit, although its just been repeating what others have said. Nothing too suspicious.

Simon needs to post or be replaced.

User has been playing rather defensive. None of his posts actually target others, which is strange for him.Certainly not enough to lynch though.

Varun, Surender are giving town vibes atm.

thedon, abhas' experience has absolutely nothing to do with how he would have played, for all you know he could have been doing that in every game he has played in this setup. So that reason is incredibly straw clutchy, you're trying too hard. I call bullshit.

What is that going to do? You haven't questioned anyone except me

Explained the last part in my reply to surendar.

Sulaiman has been unusually more helpful than usual this game, he has made a couple of decent posts, usually he says absolutely nothing of note. Either he is improving, or he has been told by his Mafia partners at night what to do. With no talking during the day, I think it's more likely the former.

So for me, rather than an idea on who is Mafia other than maybe User, I have more of an idea of who is town. To me yash and Sulaiman are looking like town and I think either User or surendar is Mafia, most probably User, so that would put surendar more in the town books. This puts one more townie between Umair, Simon and Varun, right now I would guess that would be Simon as I do think his first post was good. So that would mean atm my hunch for the Mafia team is User, Varun and Umair.

 

[surendar]

I don't understand why you'd ask P_Squared this if you were town. You know his stance, he wants to lynch me or no-one and isn't interested in anything else. If you were asking anyone, I have no idea why it would be him. He is the one who has put us in this situation, and his tunnel vision is distracting us. Something he doesn't seem to realise is that even if I am Mafia, the town still has to find my two partners on day 2 onwards, and all he has done is given them a free ride - they don't have to say anything helpful and they'll be safe, no suspicions on them whatsoever. If I am Mafia, and you lynch me, with the way the game is going I really doubt you'll be able to lynch the other two as everyone seems to have a null read on everyone with the heat only on myself and User.

You answered that by yourself I suppose. That is correct, since he knows you as guilty & you would be 100% appearing as mafia if lynched( miller or mafia) & with me having stronger suspicions over User - I wanted to keep the options open to see whether taking User out will give us more definite vision & it will give more room for our cop to investigate the 3rd person tonight.

In other words, I would prefer seeing town united than thinking separate ways. If I would have gone by myself - my lynch would have been on User, yet I wanted to ensure that our cop is planned if he is going to eliminate you by lynching.

You misunderstood man

Agreed, my bad. I misundertood leaving out others as other people's quotes.

I don't understand this either, haha, I can explain this one. I went to bed around 2. I've got a bit of a flu atm so I keep waking up several times at night. I woke up at around 5, couldn't sleep for almost an hour. I randomly started thinking about Mafia so pulled out my laptop and made the post. I still don't know what I meant, I was in an extremely tired state and I'm surprised that post was even coherent. Check the time of the post, I live in NZ if you don't believe me. Really the only explanation I can give. Either way, I don't see how that post is a scummy post, to me it's just a poor attempt at a defence.

This one, SIR! I don't have to say anything on that explanation I suppose, you know it pretty much 'it is a MAFIA game!'. Do you expect someone to even believe it?

This is what I see in my list, From danger to safest :

1- User, Don
2- Simon ( experienced person keeping silent - not a good town sign! )
3- Sulaiman, Umair - not able to read town/mafia in them. Neutral at this moment on them.
4 - Varun - Too early to confirm him as town, but I am inclined to be on townread at this time.
5 - Yash - Town read at this moment.
6 - PS - obvious cop

 

[P Squared]

Has anyone else noticed that thedon's play has changed from 'resigned to being lynched' to 'optimistic about survival'? I mean he didnt even defend himself properly until he saw that no one else was keen to lynch. If he really was townie he wouldn't have done that.

And thedon, regarding the abhas thing, you said bad defense, but that's exactly the sort of thing that gets you lynched.