Oct 5- Australia vs West Indies (Semi Final 2)

beyond the last 2 overs the west indies had collected a fair few runs off edges and mis hits, samuels could have been out several times before he even made 10 (and in one case should have been LBW) and gayle and bravo to their credit hit several fours off almost perfect yorkers and good deliveries. it wasn't terrible bowling by any stretch. australia's fielders didn't back up their bowlers either. the west indies made such a huge score because they batted fantastically and had a little luck, I doubt many other teams could have made 205 against australia today.

Yes this jumped out at me as I watched WI bat. WI seemed to find open turf WAY more often that Australia did, and even when WI finally found a fielder the Aussies wanted to butcher it...:( Gayle managed to hit toe end shots for 4, inside edges for 4, shots for 2 that he didn't think would be even close to 2 but it went to that giant vacuum at midwicket. He also cleared the boundary a lot :p Just seemed to me that the ball seemed to miss the fielders a LOT, often by good batting, but there was a large slice of luck as well.

Don't let that little summary imply West Indies were lucky to WIN though. They had plenty of luck yes, but they also batted really well - and clearly outplayed Australia.


Post mortem for Australia?

LOTS of problems. The one I'll start with is batting. The Pak and WI games made it clear that: a) none of the batsmen really use their feet vs spin. Watson going back deep into his crease is about as extravagent as it got. Most just prop half forward and have a poke/slog. Really important on these pitches where a spinner can bowl fairly short, but still be effective, to get him off his preferred length. Why not use your feet? or even just stand out of your crease before the ball is bowled to pysche him out a bit? Something needed to be done to change the bowlers lengths. Nothing was. b) none of the batsmen want to hit straight. I almost fell off my chair last night when Bailey hit a couple of balls straight for boundaries. ALL the dismissals vs Pakistan featured across the line shots. Yes, I'll admit it's more awkward to hit straight on these pitches where the ball was only stump high off a back of a length ball, but it seemed to be an area of the ground that was almost completely ignored.

Aussie bowling was reasonable, apart from the last over where Doherty got maybe 1 of his 6 balls in the spot he was aiming - and it got hit for 6 :yes Bailey didn't seem to work out how to use Hogg too well either. Need to make sure he's bowling at guys who can't pick him. Samuels struggled vs Hogg in the group stages, so it was good to see that battle again, but Hogg bowled only 3 balls at Gayle last night. I would have thought Hogg vs Gayle would be one of the better matchups for Australia and he should have bowled at him more. If Bailey had decided Doherty would bowl the last over relatively early, Hogg should have been bowling instead of Dave Hussey in that 15th over that went for 19.

Selection? Yeah it might have played a role eg. replace Bailey with Maxwell to keep an extra spin option while replacing Doherty with McKay for another pace bowler, or Christian for deeper batting. But really, selection is possibly the LEAST of the problems ie. when you are playing at least 9 of your best 11, you expect to be able to perform pretty competently.
 
There was 1 over I repeat 1 over where they edge and miss hit a ball for 4. That was the 15th over that Hussey bowled. The rest of the boundaries where off either full tosses, short balls, balls that strayed onto the pads and balls that were tossed up. It was really a poor bowling effort from Australia.

5th over Watson to Gayle, SIX Full and angled away, Gayle gets under it and smacks it high in the air, it goes the distance as well and drops down behind the deep extra cover fence.

6th over Doherty to Gayle, SIX full delivery on middle, Gayle waits and hits it out well into the stands behind the deep midwicket boundary.

10th over Doherty to Gayle, SIX, tossed up outside off, Gayle waits for it to bounce, and smacks it over the long on fielder

13th over Watson to Gayle, FOUR, back of a length delivery on the pads, really bad ball, Gayle dabs it past short fine leg for a boundary

15th over Gayle, FOUR, mistimed shot goes for four. Darted in on middle, Gayle went deep in the crease and looked to heave, gets a thick inside edge, it goes along the ground beating the long on fence.

15th over Hussey to Gayle, SIX Full and just a bit short of the yorker length, that's enough for Gayle, he picks it up and deposits it into the upper most tier for a six.

15th over Hussey to Gayle, FOUR, really unlucky, that was brilliant thinking from David, darted really wide down the off side as Gayle made room, the left hander reached out for that and got a thick outside edge which runs down past short third man for a boundary

18th over Cummins to Gayle, FOUR, short outside off, Gayle stays on the front foot and pulls it over the midwicket fielder, it bounces just short of the rope for a boundary.

19th over Starc to Gayle, SIX, you miss your length by just an inch, and next second the ball goes over the rope. Full on the pads, Gayle picks it up with ease and hits it over the deep midwicket fence.

This I got to mention. In the 19th over fine leg came up. What did Pollard do? He scooped it over the keeper for 4. Fine leg was up which was brilliant batting. I surely do not have to repeat the 20th over which was 5 bad balls really

Australia had 1 boundary which was a dropped catch my Rampaul . Then Bailey had a top edge for 4. So I say Australia shared the same luck as the Windies. Just the total was about 30 runs too much and Watson and Warner didn't fire.
 
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This is just the kind of beating Australia need that will hopefully shake up the thinking behind how AUS treat T20s in their scheduling and the players they pick.

T20 cricket for Australia needs its own argus review, cause ever since the 2009 world cup the squads/team australia pick for world tournaments/international t20s has generally been illogical.

Getting to the semi-finals flattered AUS - make no question about it. The squad they picked from the start was crap and if it wasn't for individual brilliance from Watson in a few games, AUS like S Africa (who also picked a poor squad) would have been booted @ the super eight stage.

Get rid of Bailey now as captain. It was horrendous error akin to Michael Clarke being picked as T20 skipper a few years ago. This lost caused slog out means nothing. Even Clarke managed one notable innings of his poor t20 cricket carrer, amidst a plethora of failures and generally looking out of depth.

Starc and Cummins bowled well - but AUS did not need to go into this tournament with two young bowlers leading the attack. Experienced bowlers like Bollinger, Nannes or Harris should have been played alongside them. I know for sure we will see Bollinger being a key component of Chennai Super Kings attack in the upcoming champions league.

Why was Doherty ever picked in this squad? He was bowling utter crap since the England tour and games in UAE. His ability to bowl economical in the power-play overs which propelled him to AUS T20 team from Tasmania has been gone for a while now. What Pollard did to him i expected to happen eventually, poor S Africa made him look good.

That ignorance they did to drop David Hussey all this time, then throw him into this semi-final will go down as one of worst selection decisions of this Inverarity era. Mindboggling foolishness :facepalm

Hogg probably wasn't the wicket taking force many expected of him - but i dont think he bowled poorly. A question i would love to know is why he wasn't playing all T20s all year leading up to this tournament expect the final 2 games vs pak in UAE?

Why was two of AUS most impressive players from the Big Bash last year in Mtichell Marsh and Travis Birt not given more opportunities this year in T20 to push a claim for the final squad?

Why was Aaron Finch not picked?

Garbage from start to finish...
 
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I love you, War.


  • reached the semi-final: doesn't matter they're still bad and they would have done worse if Watson allowed it
  • Bailey's innings: doesn't matter he's still bad
  • Starc and Cummins' performance: doesn't matter, shouldn't have been picked
  • David Hussey's 10th utterly rubbish T20I performance in the past couple of years: doesn't matter still great
:D

But seriously I do agree on the spinners. I don't think Hogg bowled that badly and really a lot of spinners didn't take the wickets they'd have liked; there are some good averages, but game by game a lot of 1 or 0 for 20-something with that one 3-4 wicket game; Hogg just didn't play that one game of awesome.

The pitches, although they got dry, only looked to have any menace in them at the start. This one even looked a bit refreshed and flattened from the couple of days' rest. Spinners have gotten wickets chiefly out of bad shot selection and players just not reading variations. Against good batting and batsmen knowing what was coming down, the ball was seldom turning or bouncing obscenely, only coming on a bit too painfully for a good slog. I guess that's Colombo for you as well.

And with Doherty I'll put it out there that I don't know what he offers if he can't bowl at least a couple of non-boundaries at the death anyway. One of the reasons to prefer him over any other average spinner or all-rounder is his change-ups; the stutter ball, yorkers and big changes of pace. He's meant to be the guy who comes into weird pressure situations. So if he actually has no assets for such a situation, then you can pick not only more accurate spinners, but ones who can bat too. I know there aren't that many options, but still a couple.

Or dare I say it, you could pick a seamer.

This was the real problem for me, that having two specialist spinners left Australia needing to carry their spinners rather than what some teams were doing and rolling out one after the other. It's just not their strong suit.

They certain could have chosen myriad seamers. However, Hilfy for one, is very good at T20. In the past year he's bowled 45 overs, with an average of 17.3 and economy of 6.5. The worst he's bowled in an international is 1/32. His wasn't a crazy selection that they fortunately didn't have to expose; Australia simply protected their opponents from one of their good bowlers, in fact one of the better players in the whole squad. He could have helped put more pressure on the batsmen at the start and freed up overs of pace later. I maintain that Australia should have picked their best 4 bowlers throughout, instead of producing crazy reasons not to.

With the score already going stupid, I could see the point of taking risks. It wasn't about the last over, it was about all the others being the last chance to shoot the buggers down before they drop the bomb. Every action in that innings needed to be about removing Gayle or Pollard before the 20th over, because they'd still have made about 200 facing Watson. That's also why Hogg didn't get a 4th over, because he couldn't get the crucial wicket. Once 19 overs were bowled, it really didn't matter.
 
Great to see aussie's lost and that to quiet badly. Good all round performance by windies hope they win this world cup to :thumbs
 
This is not Cricket Australia what I know.... relying on tested and expired players like Brad Hogg wasnt Aussie style... wonder what has really happened.... Too Much reliant on the top three?? There was once in their squad that every batsman used to perform at every position.

Have seen first time Strac and Cummins, as I didnt follow their cricket for quite some time. These two bowlers are really talented specially strac but currently very short on experience. But they have a bright future I hope..

I would agree with war here. Where was Bolinger??? Where was Nannes?? Starch and Cummins are highly talented but unfortunately there isnt any experience at all. I have seen once Peter Forrest and he looked to me quiet a talented solid player. Atleast He should be there in place of Cameron White. White hasnt performed since ages
 
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Starc and Cummins bowled well - but AUS did not need to go into this tournament with two young bowlers leading the attack. Experienced bowlers like Bollinger, Nannes or Harris should have been played alongside them. I know for sure we will see Bollinger being a key component of Chennai Super Kings attack in the upcoming champions league.

Just like we saw Bollinger spearhead the CSK attack in IPL 2012...oh wait that was Hilfenhaus...who was in our squad for this tournament but not used...


My first thought watching it was similar to yours though - I'm glad we got completely hammered as it will show the selectors how foolish they've been. Will be interesting to see what their next idea is, and whether George Bailey will play a role in it. If anything he's been one of the only batsmen to come out of these last few months with his head held high. Most of the others have struggled in the last 2-3 tours.
To illustrate, here's the batting averages across all formats starting from the WI tour in March:
Batting records | Combined Test, ODI and T20I records | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
For those too lazy to click the list goes like this:
39.85 M.Hussey
37.00 Bailey
36.64 Clarke
35.62 Watson
27.79 Warner
27.16 Maxwell
27.16 Lee(!!)
25.33 Cowan
24.33 Ponting
19.65 Wade
18.35 D.Hussey
16.85 Forrest
16.00 White

That's some pretty awful batting...

Or dare I say it, you could pick a seamer.

This was the real problem for me, that having two specialist spinners left Australia needing to carry their spinners rather than what some teams were doing and rolling out one after the other. It's just not their strong suit.

They certain could have chosen myriad seamers. However, Hilfy for one, is very good at T20. In the past year he's bowled 45 overs, with an average of 17.3 and economy of 6.5. The worst he's bowled in an international is 1/32. His wasn't a crazy selection that they fortunately didn't have to expose; Australia simply protected their opponents from one of their good bowlers, in fact one of the better players in the whole squad. He could have helped put more pressure on the batsmen at the start and freed up overs of pace later. I maintain that Australia should have picked their best 4 bowlers throughout, instead of producing crazy reasons not to.

^Gist of it summed up right here. Australia deliberately went away from tactics that had been successful in the past eg. 2010 tournament, for tactics they had never even tried - 2 spinners. Even in the 2 T20I in WI earlier this year, which might have been used as good tester for a potential World Cup team, Doherty was the only spinner used and in neither game did he bowl 4 overs. Only time Australia tried 2 spinners was in the 3 game series vs Pak, and the WOrld Cup squad had already been selected by then. Just a massive tactical gamble.
 
I love you, War.


  • reached the semi-final: doesn't matter they're still bad and they would have done worse if Watson allowed it
  • Bailey's innings: doesn't matter he's still bad
  • Starc and Cummins' performance: doesn't matter, shouldn't have been picked
  • David Hussey's 10th utterly rubbish T20I performance in the past couple of years: doesn't matter still great
:D

- Yes sir Angy if Watson wasn't so brilliant AUS wouldn't have reached the semi-finals this much is obvious.

- With regardless to Bailey, i'm sure you remember when Clarke was t20 skipper he played a similar innings vs New Zealand - 2nd T20I: New Zealand v Australia at Christchurch, Feb 28, 2010 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

This was in only T20 innings of note while generally always looking out of his depth as t20 batsman. Same things with regards to Bailey's lost cause innings.

Get him out of the T20 team and get AUS T20 team back on track.

- Never said Cummins and Starc shouldn't be picked. I'm saying they should have been supported by more experienced and proven t20 bowlers like a Bollinger, Harris or Nannes.

- Which are these 10 utterly rubbish T20 games that Dussey has played in the last year?.

They certain could have chosen myriad seamers. However, Hilfy for one, is very good at T20. In the past year he's bowled 45 overs, with an average of 17.3 and economy of 6.5. The worst he's bowled in an international is 1/32. His wasn't a crazy selection that they fortunately didn't have to expose; Australia simply protected their opponents from one of their good bowlers, in fact one of the better players in the whole squad. He could have helped put more pressure on the batsmen at the start and freed up overs of pace later. I maintain that Australia should have picked their best 4 bowlers throughout, instead of producing crazy reasons not to.


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Just like we saw Bollinger spearhead the CSK attack in IPL 2012...oh wait that was Hilfenhaus...who was in our squad for this tournament but not used..
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I'm aware of Hilfy's t20 stats - but i've never been convinced about his t20 credentials as bowler. Surprising he bowled well in the IPL, but that was mainly because Bollinger was injured.

If its one thing i do agree with the selectors for in this disgrace of a squad was not playing Hilfy or McKay cause i for one minute didn't think they could really be a wicket-taking threat in this tournament and likely would have smashed.

Fact is AUS got a good t20 team, their players do well in IPL since the inception. The problem as i mentioned before is that since the 2009 world cup, the teams picked have lacked understanding of whats required for t20's and AUS schedule t20 games like if its exhibition matches.


Best AUS T20 XI & squad going forward IMO (2014 WC in mind):

Warner
Watson (captain)
M Hussey
M Marsh
Dussey
Maxwell
Wade
Christian/Henriques
Hogg
Harris
Bollinger

Finch/Birt
Christian/Henriques
Starc
Cummins

I'm hoping M Hussey body can hold up for the 2014 cup. He may not make it to the 2015 world cup given he will be touching 40.

World Twenty20 2012 : George Bailey wants a new type of spinner in Australia | Cricket News | ICC World Twenty20 2012 | ESPN Cricinfo - Hogg remains AUS best option as mystery type spinner. He was unlucky in this tournament, so i'd hope he can continue his late career revival and continue to play well in t20 leagues worldwide.

God knows Steve O'Keefe isn't going to be much better. Lyon shouldn't be considered for t20s en route to 2014, unless his test match game has reached a solid enough level.

Mitchell Marsh and Henriques if they continue to improve will be perfect all-rounders for this tournament.
 
I would support Watson as a captain because he has got that Energetic Spark in him, Plus he is very determined. I feel that they should get rid from Hogg, He is a tried and tested Missile which wont work wonders for the team, Rather will be getting huge sixes as Its not his era anymore. I remember him playing in that old Australia Era and There was a set platform for him to be successful at that time because in that time, Australia had a psychological pressure over other teams due to its consistent wins. In my humble view ofcourse.
 
I wont blame Watson. He is a top player and has proved it numerous times. He has consistently performed in the entire World Cup and was Man of the Tournament. In the Semi-Final, It was just I would say bad luck plus there was a Mountainy Scoare ahead and He had to take charge but couldnt connect unluckily
 

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