Only ODI: Ireland v England

Give me Dimi over Wright any day please.

Trott got a duck :eek: Oh well as long as he plays against the Aussies he'll do it when it matters.
 
He's not in the squad, so it doesn't look like he'll get the chance to. He's in the T20 squad, but Strauss is in ahead of him in the ODi squad.

Wright > Dimi.
 
This will be so sweet if Ireland come through here....maybe the english press and the ICC will give us a bit more respect now...I'm just annoyed that I didn't go up to stormont to watch this one with my friends - I thought it would be a wash out

Just a real shame that BBC Northern Ireland/Sky/RTE turned down the rights to show this game live or even send over the TMS squad for radio commentary - disgrace really
 
78/4. 2 for Bresnan, 1 for Swann and 1 for Gash. Sidebottom bowled 2 overs for 15. Looking likely that Ireland are going to win though. They need 36 from 38 balls and they've got 6 wickets in hand. Not good for England. Get Wrighty on so he can get his 5fer.

King Broad added 10 Minutes and 16 Seconds later...

Does Collingwood actually want to win this game? Bowling Shah ahead of Wright. He got a wicket but that's not the point, laughable bowling change. Wright better be bowling at the death along with Sidey.
 
I don't know, I'd put Shah over Wright in these conditions.

Simbazz added 0 Minutes and 59 Seconds later...

Following Cricinfo, 29 needed from 24 balls, into the tail, surely swing out there else Collingwood wouldn't be bowling or Shah...so yes, Shah ahead of Wright.
 
I'm guessing the pitch is more suited to spin than pace.

Especially when Shah's figures currently stand at: 2-0-2-3
 
Oh ofcourse, Shah is an off-spinner, not sure why I thought he was a RM.

My point hold true, Shah would be the better option, take pace off the ball. Not sure that its the pitch that contributes to Shah's figures, more the fact that Ireland are hitting out.
 
shame really, the Irish will feel robbed, they could have easily chased 200 in 50 overs.

Really angry this was not broadcast on TV or at least radio. Even on the cricinfo switch hit show the Brit pundits were saying this is a waste of time and a disgrace. WTF? how do you expect cricket to grow in assosiate countries if you label matches against them a waste of time and fight the schedules.

Get off ye high horses. Sure we won the Ashes, but we barely beat the # 4 team in the world, we have a long long way to go to be considered in the top 3 Test teams. Dont even get me started on limited overs
 
Yes but Hmarka, 5 of those boys out there have participated in the Ashes. Making the switch from Test mode (in the most important series they'll play probably (obviously every Ashes is important)) it might be a little difficult to switch into ODi mode straight away.

A win is a win, whichever way we get it.
 
Ireland had a great chance to win, but probably went too hard early. It was a chase they could have reeled in with a more structured effort. Still, it was a positive game that still could have gone their way in the final over.
 
LOL. Was I wrong, or was I wrong. Shah goes home with 3/16. Wright would have taken 6/0 though tbh.

Not a particularly convincing win, but a win all the same. Joe Denly the star for England, but a good effort from Trent Johnston for the Irish. Hope we perform better against the Aussies.
 
That was the perfect chance for Ireland to knock over England. They would have struggled if they had to go for 200 but 115 in 20 overs was very doable.
 
shame really, the Irish will feel robbed, they could have easily chased 200 in 50 overs.

The shame should be on the organisers, yet again they do little and we end up with a 50 overs vs 20 overs mismatch come mishmash of contests. Did they not see the rain coming? Could they not have agreed to play say 30-36 overs each? It's hard to gauge a full innings and set a 20 over target, especially now 20 overs is a form of cricket of its own and we know what kind of chases are possible with 10 wickets to do it with.

In the last 20 overs of a ODI, as the Ireland chase should have been attempting to mimick, you could score as much as 140 on a good pitch with wickets in hand. But trying to set a target with such a difference in overs available, and most importantly with one side batting it as a 50 overs match it is unfair because they know there may be rain, but you can't bat a 50 overs innings any other way than as if it is 50 overs. There opponents gain an unfair advantage in the respect.

Really angry this was not broadcast on TV or at least radio. Even on the cricinfo switch hit show the Brit pundits were saying this is a waste of time and a disgrace. WTF? how do you expect cricket to grow in assosiate countries if you label matches against them a waste of time and fight the schedules.

Sadly matches not in the World Cup and not involving two Test playing nations are regarded as one off public relations exercises and deemed no more important than say tour matches. You're right regarding the publicity and profile of developing teams, it was a reasonably tight and interesting match and I wonder how many of the ODIs against the aussies will be that tight and interesting. That said, how many of the T20 matches in the last World Cup were tight and/or interesting? (allowing for there being a lot less overs) Isn't part of the sales pitch of T20 that it goes down to the last ball, over or last couple of overs? Quite a lot DIDN'T, give me 50 overs any time and every time.


As for the game itself, England went with a second string and got off to a poor start. I thought Bopara batted 3 for Essex and Trott a bit lower for Warks, but that might have changed as I haven't taken much noticed of one day games in the counties this season. A very much "bits n pieces" look to England's middle and lower order, ironically the main bowler got hit and the rest did ok. Does it say something that Shah took 3/16 while Swann took 1/21 and Rashid 1/16? The England side to face the aussies will be much stronger, quite probably something like

Strauss (c)
Denly
Shah
Trott
Collingwood
Prior
Wright
Broad
Swann
Sidebottom
Anderson

That's the side I'd go with, if Flintoff isn't available nor Pietersen. I suspect England will go with one of Anderson and Sidebottom and fill the side with more batting still, personally I'd go with two main bowlers and they could make the early breakthroughs and late(r) breakthroughs that you need in ODIs. Denly, Shah, Trott and Collingwood can all bowl, but I wouldn't want to have to bowl 10 overs of any of them, I guess with Broad in the side you could play an extra all-rounder but since that side bats down to nine and has three main quicks, a spinner and an all-rounder in Wright then isn't that enough batting and bowling? Put in Flintoff for Wright, Pietersen for Shah or Trott and you'd have as strong an England side as we've had in a while.

I hope we dispense with the pinch-hitting theory, turn decent batsmen into ordinary ones with averages of 20-21. It's a shame Mustard couldn't turn county form into ODI form, I don't like seeing Prior wasted opening and reckon we're better off sticking with openers who do that job in both forms of the game (for their counties) It's not as if our Test openers can't get on with it when it suits them, difference being they know how to battle through a good new ball spell or one in difficult conditions. And one criticism of England batting in general is shot selection, too often going for the wrong ball. Strauss has shown to be the pick in that regard, most of the rest look dodgy in that regard.
 
Whenever the game gets shorter it always gives the minnow sides a better shot. 3 runs! Just got out of that one England. Ireland aren't a bad side though really. England have some work to do I think anyway.
 

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