Pakistan in England/Scotland 2006

[BigCrickNan]

I don't think Fletcher is that good in terms of player judgement, he gets some right but gets more than his fair share wrong. I think he's coming to the end of his reign, some fresh coaching would be good I think.

Somehow Fletcher is similar to Rafa at Liverpool. Rafa is a great manager and gets the best out of players, but picks some of the worst teams he could, (Nunez, Pellegrino, Morientes), whereas Fletcher stick with Mahmood and picks Rikki Clarke for no reason.

 

[puddleduck]

Sureshot you said earlier you always envisaged Read as flying about all over the place. In actual fact Read is almost known for quite often leaving anything reasonably wide of him that may or may not carry to first-slip. Almost a safety first approach to keeping. I've critised Gojo many times, and have said before that it is up to him to know when it's going to First-slip and when it's not. Being fair I must apply the same to Read, and he as the keeper should recognise it won't carry despite heading towards first slip and have a shot at it.

Hopefully as you said time will improve the pairing, and they will begin to know exactly when the other will go for it or not. Was pretty easy for Tresco with Jones, he knew that no matter what Gojo would come flying like a salmon across his field of view

Still, Read is without much doubt the more natural gloveman, and long may it continue, nothing like watching someone who is actually one of the best in his field

As for Fletchers picks being poor, is this not the same Fletcher who picked Vaughan, Trescothick and Hoggy from reasonably average form and stats in County cricket because he saw something in their mental makeup and turned them into stars?

 

[Eddie]

To be fair to Gojo, he was superb with the gloves in his last few matches. He was eventually dropped for lack of runs..

For me i still like Gojo, I don't think Read's batting technique is up to test matches. He looks vulnerable outside off-stump and looks like a strong LBW candidate, due to his weight falling over to the offside forcing him to play around his front pad.

I Know Gojo didn't make runs lately, but i saw that as a lack of mental application, rather than a flaw in his technique. Most times he got himself out.

As for Fletchers selection...i am all up for a picking a "wild card" here and there. But selecting someone who's currently season average is 9 with the bat and 65 with the ball is taking things a step to far towards madness. (stats for clarke).

I think there is something to be said for picking "specialists" for ODI and 20/20 games, and rewarding players who are in good form and have had a good season.

 

[sid_19840]

What about Rikki Clarke,do you guys think he should have been playing yesterday instead of Yardy,personally Id have picked Yardy,Clarke probably has good skills with bat and ball but he seems out of sorts in the international arena whereas Yardy showed an apetite for it in the T-20 games.Will be interesting to see who's picked for the next ODI.

 

[Adarsh]

If my knowledge of D&L is correct, it's partly based on how the team where doing in there innings at the stage of which how many overs were left. And as at about 32 overs we had the 60 odd partnership of Bell and JD going that influenced the higher total.

This can't be true, can it? It sounds stupid! Where's Andrew Nixon when you need him!

 

[andrew_nixon]

This can't be true, can it? It sounds stupid! Where's Andrew Nixon when you need him!

It isn't completely true. See: http://cricketarchive.com/Miscellaneous/Rain_Rule_Methods.html#dl for a brief explanation.

 

[Adarsh]

Thanks. Anyway, that's completely different. It has nothing to do with what the first team had scored after X number of overs.

 

[Sureshot]

So who would you reccommend for the job then?

Someone with a record of previous international coaching experience who had a good ODI record.

It's hard to believe when Fletcher came in we were 3rd in the world in ODIs.

Sureshot you said earlier you always envisaged Read as flying about all over the place. In actual fact Read is almost known for quite often leaving anything reasonably wide of him that may or may not carry to first-slip. Almost a safety first approach to keeping. I've critised Gojo many times, and have said before that it is up to him to know when it's going to First-slip and when it's not. Being fair I must apply the same to Read, and he as the keeper should recognise it won't carry despite heading towards first slip and have a shot at it.

Hopefully as you said time will improve the pairing, and they will begin to know exactly when the other will go for it or not. Was pretty easy for Tresco with Jones, he knew that no matter what Gojo would come flying like a salmon across his field of view

Still, Read is without much doubt the more natural gloveman, and long may it continue, nothing like watching someone who is actually one of the best in his field

As for Fletchers picks being poor, is this not the same Fletcher who picked Vaughan, Trescothick and Hoggy from reasonably average form and stats in County cricket because he saw something in their mental makeup and turned them into stars?

Then you have:

White
McGrath
Clarke
Salisbury
Dawson
etc.

 

[evertonfan]

Someone with a record of previous international coaching experience who had a good ODI record.

It's hard to believe when Fletcher came in we were 3rd in the world in ODIs.

Hmm, how about John Buchanan? Controversial choice, but he knows how to play ODI's.

 

[Sureshot]

Thanks. Anyway, that's completely different. It has nothing to do with what the first team had scored after X number of overs.

I did say 'If my knowledge'

And I'm glad I did.

*Wipes brow*

 

[Eddie]

Hmm, how about John Buchanan? Controversial choice, but he knows how to play ODI's.

I'd like to seem someone who was successful in oneday cricket..

Ok this may sound a bit "off the wall", but i'd like to see someone like Adam Hollioake asked to help out.

 

[wolf]

Good job it was rained off last night.

 

[MUFC1987]

Read needs to start pulling his weight in the One Dayers. I can understand him being in the Test squad, as you can get away with more of a specialist, but in the 20/20 and the first ODI, he has looked poor with both gloves and bat. Jones has been coming in down the order for Kent and hitting 50's. He's a natural ODI batsman in the middle/lower middle order. He looks for Gaps and finds them, unlike others who were just hoping to heave the bowlers to leg and somehow get runs. I see no point in playing Bell at three either, I'd rather he opened, as he can anchor the innings and pick up a ton in 40 overs, he can't go all out attack, which was the mistake yesterday, Dalrymple should have gone attacking much earlier.

By the way, those suggesting an end for Fletcher are just stupid. Our ODI personnel have been affected as more players are left out in order to rest for the Tests. If we had everyone available, we'd be within the top few teams in the world.

 

[Adarsh]

Geraint Jones wasn't dropped because of his poor keeping. He was dropped because he couldn't hold the bat the right way around. So, saying Jones can bat isn't going to work; we've seen he can't do it too well. Read has only just come in and hasn't made a big impression with the bat yet. He deserves at least 10 more matches. If he still doesn't perform then we've got to look at a third option. Maybe Prior, maybe some one else.

 

[Eddie]

Geraint Jones wasn't dropped because of his poor keeping. He was dropped because he couldn't hold the bat the right way around. So, saying Jones can bat isn't going to work; we've seen he can't do it too well.

you realise he has a test hundred right? .as well as 6 50's

I think he has proved he can bat, just lately he's out of form. Thats one of the problem with the central contracted players..at the start of each series our whole line-up looked massivey out of form. This has been a trend for the last 3-4 series.