Pakistan in England/Scotland 2006

[puddleduck]

He has 1 test 100 and 6 50's..... that's in almost 3 years of cricket, and the century came right at the start of his career against a reasonably poor New Zealand bowling attack. His batting average declined with every year, and this year he was averaging about 15 with the bat. It's a debate that has been done to death really. As for not getting out, but getting himself out he has been bowled through the gate far too often for that to only be the case, and more often then not gave his wicket away in the circumstances he was picked for, eg. 200-6 or 7 and looking to add another 50-100 runs if possible.

Anyway, he was dropped, Read now deserves the Odi series, especially after performing very well with the gloves and bat in the test series. If his runs and glovework don't meet a decent standard (although I suspect his glovework will comfortably) then I agree someone else will deserve a shot. Then it comes down to whether Gojo has displayed enough in county cricket to deserve a 2nd chance, or whether they will go for Foster who can bat and is a fine keeper, Prior as a true batting keeper, or a young chap like Davies.

 

[Adarsh]

you realise he has a test hundred right? .as well as 6 50's

I think he has proved he can bat, just lately he's out of form. Thats one of the problem with the central contracted players..at the start of each series our whole line-up looked massivey out of form. This has been a trend for the last 3-4 series.

So, Jason Gillespie has a double hundred. The fact is Jones has an average of 25 in tests and ODIs (coincidence...) over a very long period of time. Also, when he first came into the scene he could bat a bit. Now, it seems like he can't. If Read plays for 3 years or so consecutively , then you could justify dropping him.

Edit: way too late, beaten by puddleduck. Great minds think alike, eh .

 

[Eddie]

So, Jason Gillespie has a double hundred.

against Bangladesh....everyone highest score is V Banglandesh..

I am sure Read deseres a chance to prove himself. Just can't see him making runs in Australia his technique is too poor.

 

[RoboRocks]

Read has done well so far.
He has took all his catches and made run contributions.
Yesterday for me wasn't a chance for anybody it is one of those ones which drop short of first slip.
Matt Prior will still be waiting for his chance if Read doesn't perform.
Every time I have seen him he has made runs and took catches.

 

[Eddie]

He did get runs but...first innning (V Pak) he edged his first ball thru slips, then scored his first 35 runs against part time spinners..

2nd innings he edged a lot of balls...both inning he played onto his stumps..(poor technique)

I tell you how Australia will bowl at him...

3-4 balls just short of a length outside off-stump. Then a ball slanted inwards/off-cutter.

If he survives edging the first few balls behind, he'll either play onto his stumps or be LBW to the off-cutter..

Seriosuly.. watch him play off the backfoot..bat is at 45 degrees (neither horizontal or vertical). Makes a batsman very prone to caught behind and played on.

The reason behind the LBW is his balance..topples over to offside while playing legside shots.


I really do hope he proves me wrong..but those are the reasons i think he'll fail in Australia.

 

[Pak_cricketer]

Im no expert, but you need Gojo back..

 

[andrew_nixon]

Im no expert, but you need Gojo back..

If you're saying that you think Gerraint Jones should be back in the team, you don't need to tell us that you're not an expert.

 

[evertonfan]

Well, I think it's about time that I posted on this GoJo vs Read debate;

As much as I like the little fella, Jones needs to be playing county cricket right now to regain some form for a possible Ashes recall. Read performed well in the two Test matches, and as so far made a dodgy start back in one-day cricket, but I think that it's only fair for England to show as much patience with Read as they did with Jones, and not just drop him the next time he doesn't perform well.

I am confident that Read will score a hundred in this series; I just have a sixth sense about it.

 

[CricketFan999]

As Cook said, it's better to get runs and get them messily than pnly get a few runs beautifully. Jones always gives his wicket away in incredibly stupid ways and gets hardly decent amounts where as Read rides his luck and gets decent amounts. Aslong as Read makes the catches and gets more runs than Jones would of them I'm happy with the way he plays, no matter how messy it might be.

 

[irottev]

against Bangladesh....everyone highest score is V Banglandesh..

I am sure Read deseres a chance to prove himself. Just can't see him making runs in Australia his technique is too poor.

Bangladesh arn't THAT weak. They have some decent players. How many hundreds has Jones made against Bangladesh? Zimbabwe? etc. He doesn't even get them against those teams.

Gillespie is more consistant with the bat then Jones.

1 hundred and 6 50's is pathetic for the amount of time hes been playing.

Jones is a fantastic keeper, but these days that doesn't keep you in the side anymore.

 

[Sureshot]

Read needs to start pulling his weight in the One Dayers. I can understand him being in the Test squad, as you can get away with more of a specialist, but in the 20/20 and the first ODI, he has looked poor with both gloves and bat. Jones has been coming in down the order for Kent and hitting 50's. He's a natural ODI batsman in the middle/lower middle order. He looks for Gaps and finds them, unlike others who were just hoping to heave the bowlers to leg and somehow get runs. I see no point in playing Bell at three either, I'd rather he opened, as he can anchor the innings and pick up a ton in 40 overs, he can't go all out attack, which was the mistake yesterday, Dalrymple should have gone attacking much earlier.

By the way, those suggesting an end for Fletcher are just stupid. Our ODI personnel have been affected as more players are left out in order to rest for the Tests. If we had everyone available, we'd be within the top few teams in the world.

Why are we stupid then?

Fletcher is clueless in ODIs even with our strongest line up. Not to mention the lack of good national one day bowlers getting a chance over youngsters who have flopped (Mahmood, Plunkett, etc) We need a fresh impotus. 7 years is a long time in a job.

you realise he has a test hundred right? .as well as 6 50's

I think he has proved he can bat, just lately he's out of form. Thats one of the problem with the central contracted players..at the start of each series our whole line-up looked massivey out of form. This has been a trend for the last 3-4 series.

Jones scored the majority of his runs in his first year of Cricket.

Jones had his chance and was backed for nigh on a year. Give Read a go if he fails, then go to Prior.

Why Prior hasn't been given chances when he fires out 3-5 hundreds a season for us minimum?

Bangladesh arn't THAT weak. They have some decent players. How many hundreds has Jones made against Bangladesh? Zimbabwe? etc. He doesn't even get them against those teams.

Gillespie is more consistant with the bat then Jones.

1 hundred and 6 50's is pathetic for the amount of time hes been playing.

Jones is a fantastic keeper, but these days that doesn't keep you in the side anymore.

Especially as know every keeper is essentially playing as an all rounder. Read has barely played 4 games for England in his latest comeback, he needs to be given time.

And on Jones people tend to forget that when his batting was good his keeping was shocking, when his keeping was good his batting was shocking.

And as for Aus bowling at Jones it's simple, bring on Warne.

 

[MUFC1987]

Why are we stupid then?

Fletcher is clueless in ODIs even with our strongest line up. Not to mention the lack of good national one day bowlers getting a chance over youngsters who have flopped (Mahmood, Plunkett, etc) We need a fresh impotus. 7 years is a long time in a job.

We've never been that great at ODI's. Even when we had the likes of Knight, White, Irani etc in the team as specialists we were poor. Lack of good one day bowlers? I assume you mean the County Cricket Journeymen? Big deal, sure they can do it at County level, but they lack anything special. What's the point in trying someone like Chapple for a year, before he gives up, when you can try Mahmood for a year who actually has a future?

Let's face facts, we lack One day players in the country, so we can't expect to do well. For me, Atherton has to take some blame for our decline, he kicked up a fuss about wanting to be Captain in both forms of the game, despite Hollioake leading us to a series win. Since that moment, the selectors have tried to put Test players in, that won't change, no matter who is the Coach.

Also, my original comments about Read were mostly about his keeping, where Jones dropped catches, it's the ones that Read doesn't even move for, which normally result in 4 byes. In the same way, that Read shouldn't have been dropped from the One Day side in the West Indies, Jones should not have been dropped now. There's a gap in class between the two. Form is temporary Class is permanent, remember that phrase?

Just remembered, someone said about Jones 'not even scoring runs against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe' in tests. Care to explain how he's meant to do that when he wasn't needed to bat against Bangladesh and has never played Zimbabwe? Not that I'm accusing whoever it was of making things up to prove a point though. :

 

[Sureshot]

Chris Read has improved a hell of a lot since his last game, and the only catches he hasn't gone for are because he and Tres haven't built up the 1st slip/keeper relationship.

Oh and to say that Jones is a classier player than Read is a joke.

Forgetting how **** a keeper he was for the best part of 18 months to 2 years? Chapple has 4 years left in him btw, and you pick the best players now, not players that can be the best in 3 years. We miss Jimmy in our bowling attack in ODIs. Jones had to be dropped as our tail started at 7 when he was playing, in 2 matches Read scored more than Jones did in the previous 5 tests!

I'm not saying we can be 3rd in the world in ODIs, but we can be better than we are.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if England want the most ammount of runs from a keeper then Prior is the answer.

 

[evertonfan]

Absolutley right, we need to be picking the players who are good at ODI's now, not in the future. Chapple is a proven performer, Mahmood isn't yet, so Chapple should be there in his place. We also need someone to stand and deliver at the top of the order, and is willing to play unselfishly and attack the bowlers; Something which Mal Loye has been doing for countless years. Yes, we really do miss Jimmy in ODI's, i'd go as far as saying that he is our best ODI bowler with Gough just a bit behind.

I might sound very Lancashire biased, but the fact is, Chapple and Loye should be in that squad.

 

[MUFC1987]

How the hell is Chapple a 'proven performer'? The guy has a terrible average and his economy rate is too high in Domestic one day cricket, let alone for a ODI player. Chapple never was, isn't and never will be good enough to take wickets for England, get over it.

This long running joke with Loye is getting a bit old as well, get some new material.