Pakistan vs England Jul-Aug-Sep 2010

To ban Pakistan, is not right at all. It is sad to see this but banning a nation is wrong.

How is it wrong? Please explain why is it wrong ton ban a whole cricket team that is involved in match or spot fixing, especially considering their history? How is this fair on other teams? It is just a sick disgrace, ban the lot of them.

Going away from this issue, take a look at this picture:
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Was the review after Ajmal bowled a big doosra to Broad.
 
it seems to be 7 players that wre linked to this and i think the fixer manages 10 players. So the players who are found guilty should be banned. Why is there then the need to stop all the other players who are innocent not play because of the culprits.
 
Quite frankly because Pakistan cricket cannot be trusted, from the players to the officials.

There needs to be a complete re-vamp from top to bottom and until then the country must be banned from the sport to protect its reputation
 
sorry cant agree on that. I am Indian fan but cant agree that they are not allowed to play as that is not fair. I can expect a ban on them playing but i dont think it should happen.
 
it seems to be 7 players that wre linked to this and i think the fixer manages 10 players. So the players who are found guilty should be banned. Why is there then the need to stop all the other players who are innocent not play because of the culprits.

Maybe that would work. But i doubt it's really that simple. The real test is how comfortable fans, viewers, umpires, administators etc. would be organising games against Pakistan without those 7 players. If they are comfortable with it - great. But I can't see it happening, there will be a lot of suspicion flying around.

I'd say there's going to be an inquiry though no matter what. There was an inquiry for Hansie Cronje and this is possibly bigger than that. So I don't think teams are really going to want to play Pakistan until that inquiry's done and they know with a bit more certainty how many players were involved.
 
i understand what you say. A full investigation into the PCB could take forever to come out and during that time, are the ICC and the rest of the cricket world not going to allow the honest Pakistan playrs not play.

With all the money in cricket now it makes one think if there are alot of players doing this kinda thing!
 
Are the players who have been implicated in this scandal still going to come out and play tomorrow?
 
Well SA didn't have any upcoming series for a start when the scandal broke in April 2000 - SA didn't play again until August. And in particular they didn't have any evidence that there was future fixes in the wings. Here however, this betting guy's claiming that there are a couple of the Eng-Pak ODIs ready to be fixed. Common sense says that straight away those ODIs should be cancelled if there is any weight put in the claims. And I'd be cancelling any Pakistan cricket until they find out who exactly is involved.

That is also the difference from the Cronje/South Africa tale. Cronje was the only guy who'd been implicated by the bookies. It was he himself who had drawn other players like Gibbs into the scam. So by getting rid of Cronje then the links with the bookies were severed. This time it's different because Salman, Kamran, Amir and Asif have all been implicated - not just one man. So all 4 have to go and maybe others if more names get mentioned in investigations. That's why it may be easier just to temporarily suspend any Pakistan cricket until they get a better grip on who might be invovled. Otherwise any games they play will have questions over them and will be hard for viewers, fans etc to take seriously.




Well because Azharuddin, Cronje and also Saleem Malik were deemed to be the ones who had gone along with the bookies and had tried to influence others into taking cash too. Whereas Gibbs took cash yes, but never went through with his deal: to score less than 20 - he scored 70 odd from memory. So that's why he got 6mths only, because he was too timid to actually do it. Who knows why though... Maybe he couldn't say no to Hansie's face, maybe he wanted to think about it or maybe he was planning to do it all along but he either got hit by a wave of consciousness or he got carried away in the middle. He probably got off a little easily if I'd been deciding. Maybe a year or 2 out of the game would have been better, but he certainly wasn't as involved as Cronje was - nowhere near. Same for Mark Waugh, he should have been given a suspension too, but more for his stupidity, not for deliberately bringing the game into disrepute like Cronje, Azha and Malik did.

So given that according to the article, Amir has had clear dealings with a fixer directly and has actually gone through with the fixes, then he's going to be in a lot more trouble than Gibbs who never saw the bookie and didn't go through with it.


Well Gibba scored 70 runs, Aamer took 5 wickets.

The point is both of them committed a similiar crime. They accepted money to not give theier best performance.
 
Well Gibba scored 70 runs, Aamer took 5 wickets.

The point is both of them committed a similiar crime. They accepted money to not give theier best performance.
Eh no. Aamer accepted money to bowl 2 (or 3, whatever) no balls - which he did bowl, not to under-perform.
 
Depressing to think that there have been as many posts in this thread since the fixing story broke, as there were during the first 3 days of the match.
 

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