Pakistan vs New Zealand @ UAE 2009

[Dare]

I think when a slogging hack like Afridi gets runs you have to accept that he got lucky.

Or played a really good innings in which he didn't give too many chances to the NZ bowlers. He has shown that he can be more responsible and bat for the teams needs. Played a crucial innings when his team needed it the most.


Pakistan has a solid team. They bat all the way to #8 and have really good bowlers to back those batsman up. The return of Razzaq is a good boost for the team in both batting and bowling.

 

[aussie1st]

There sure was some late order hitting power in that Pakistan lineup. They are missing the guy at the start to get them off to a flyer but partly make up for it with the finishers.

Kiwi batting was shocking, once again relying on Vettori to do the business.

 

[Howsie]

Poor performance, I couldn't believe Pakistan made that much after the start they had. Shocking performance with the bat though, I thought Taylor might do some damage as he played decently well in the CL, guess that shows the gulf between domestic 20/20 and international cricket though.


Oh and btw, Latif's innings was actually pretty good. He hanged in their and gave Pakistan a chance, his innings was almost as important as Afridi's.

 

[irottev]

I think it's the mentality. It's the exact same problem with ODIs to Test cricket. Taylor is a beast in T20. It's because it's shorter and he can play with freedom. In ODIs he obviously isn't playing his natural game. Same story with McCullum for some reason he's stopped playing his natural game. The pitch was good enough to blast it around. For some reason they didn't or they tried and got edges onto the stumps/keeper etc. I dunno what went wrong, it just wasn't clever.

In tests it's the same thing. We end up getting into a hole, playing too much within ourselves and the bowlers leap all over it. The best innings we're played in test cricket have been as good strike rates. That's because the batsmen played with intent and not over-defensive. I'm not saying start playing drives to balls on the up and silly shots. But if they bowl a half volley then hammer the hell out of it. If they bowl short pull it into the stands. Get down the track every now and then at the spinners and make them think. Enough of tests

I thought getting rid of Moles might have seen a change in attitude to the batting, but not yet. We'll give it some time though. I have no doubt it's him or one of the coaches who has caused it. Think back to the record 300 chases under Bracewell we made. Like 4 or 5 chases over 300 in a 2 year span we made. Ever since Moles has come in the intent and aggression is gone. No one is stepping up to get a hundred. McCullum needs to go back down the order, right now even. Watling is over there. May as well give him a chance.

 

[Howsie]

I think it's the mentality. It's the exact same problem with ODIs to Test cricket. Taylor is a beast in T20. It's because it's shorter and he can play with freedom. In ODIs he obviously isn't playing his natural game. Same story with McCullum for some reason he's stopped playing his natural game. The pitch was good enough to blast it around. For some reason they didn't or they tried and got edges onto the stumps/keeper etc. I dunno what went wrong, it just wasn't clever.

In tests it's the same thing. We end up getting into a hole, playing too much within ourselves and the bowlers leap all over it. The best innings we're played in test cricket have been as good strike rates. That's because the batsmen played with intent and not over-defensive. I'm not saying start playing drives to balls on the up and silly shots. But if they bowl a half volley then hammer the hell out of it. If they bowl short pull it into the stands. Get down the track every now and then at the spinners and make them think. Enough of tests

I thought getting rid of Moles might have seen a change in attitude to the batting, but not yet. We'll give it some time though. I have no doubt it's him or one of the coaches who has caused it. Think back to the record 300 chases under Bracewell we made. Like 4 or 5 chases over 300 in a 2 year span we made. Ever since Moles has come in the intent and aggression is gone. No one is stepping up to get a hundred. McCullum needs to go back down the order, right now even. Watling is over there. May as well give him a chance.

I think that's all pretty much spot on. I actually remember when Moles first started he said the way he wanted us to play one day cricket was to keep wickets in hand and go after the bowling in the last 10 overs, which is incredibly stupid when you have Ryder, McCullum, Guptill and Taylor in the top four.

Howsie added 1 Minutes and 55 Seconds later...

any other post saying how NZ bowlers > Pak bowlers ?? or how they are 2nd best? or how Miles could walk into aus rsa team

:sarcasm

I don't think anyone said Miles would walk into the South African or Australian, but I did say Mills would. He's the best/or one of the best fast bowlers in the world, why wouldn't he.

 

[McLOVIN]

Or played a really good innings in which he didn't give too many chances to the NZ bowlers. He has shown that he can be more responsible and bat for the teams needs. Played a crucial innings when his team needed it the most.


Pakistan has a solid team. They bat all the way to #8 and have really good bowlers to back those batsman up. The return of Razzaq is a good boost for the team in both batting and bowling.

every time NZ loses he has his excuses. how about just excepting the fact that you LOST, rather then saying Afridi got lucky, or Latif was slow, b/c NZ was bowling good.

 

[Howsie]

every time NZ loses he has his excuses. how about just excepting the fact that you LOST, rather then saying Afridi got lucky, or Latif was slow, b/c NZ was bowling good.

How is that an excuse for losing?

New Zealand was bowling well until Afridi came in, and Latif did well to stay in and not throw is wicket away looking for quick runs.

 

[nikhil_99]

It was a classic inngs by Afridi, he has been pretty consistent these days, plays accirding to situation, he got a good support from Akmal, Bond was expensive in later part, in his 1st spell he was dangerous..Winning by 138 runs is a big margin in ODI, NZ will coem back hard but i guess Pak will win 2-1 wasily...lets see..

 

[CG123]

Good win by Pakistan.

Our team selection was all wrong.
Why did we need so many bowlers, I will never know. With 5 - 11 all being bowling options, as well as Redmond.
Don't know why both Butler and Southee were playing, Franklin should of been their in stead of one.
If they are only going to bowl N. McCullum 3 overs why have him their.
Replace him with Patel as a specialist spinner, or Broom as a specialist batsmen and give the three overs to Redmond/Styris, who is more than capable.

I think our limited player pool is now starting to show with so many injuries.
Broom, N. McCullum, Redmond and Butler all look to struggle at international level, while they dominate the domestic game. This goes along with the likes of Sinclair and Bell who can't cut it at the top level. I still think Franklin needs to be their as he is a genuine all rounder who can win games with both bat and ball.

 

[Insomniac]

206 runs in the last 25 overs in the game and 137 in the last 15.

If we had decent(ish) openers, 350 could have been on the cards easily (had we been scoring at 5-6 an over up to the 35th over)

I'd say give Butt another chance, you never know. If he fails, then we may as well give a game to Imran Farhat.

 

[irottev]

NZ Bowled well early. The death bowling lost us the game and was shocking. Butler all the way through was poor. The batting was a disgrace too.

I'm not making excuses, an excuse would be me whineing that we got a bad LBW decision and lost because of it. You're a moron MacLovin. If I wanted to make excuses I would have started with the fact that we have no coach, we have about 4 injuries of our first eleven, we lost the toss, etc. etc. Until you opened your fat stupid mouth I didn't mention any of that. And to make things clear, i'm not fliping whineing about these things, they're examples. We lost because we were outplayed, simple as that. Afridi came off for once and took away the momentum due to far too much half-volley bowling. Then the batting folded pathetically playing stupid shots.

It's all very well playing aggressive, but play percentage shots. McCullum's pull was good intent, but not the right ball to pull. It wasn't short enough. Taylor's horrible edge was on the up and wide. Same story. Styris played a dumb shot considering the field, either should have kept it down or placed it better. Redmond's LBW was just soft. Guptill showed terrible technique with a huge gap between bat and pad. Being a big total I can understand a few wickets from ugly shots, but the soft ones are unacceptable.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

I honestly don't think NZ bowled that badly at any point of the match, Pakistan's lower order just played really well. OK bond could have landed it inch perfect in the block hole every time but just doesn't happen, when it does you call it genius, and every time he was an inch or so wide Akmal slaughtered him. the only thing Butler and Southee could have done to stop it was bowled much faster than they're capable of.

certainly in the last 10 overs for every lucky slog or bad ball punished there was about 6 or 7 quality cricket strokes.

NZ did bat well below their best though, I think possibly the momentum of pakistans innings effected them. It's harder to come out an bat to a target like 280-290 when you've lost most of those runs in the tail end of the match.

I think NZ will tweak their squad though and come out a lot better in the remaining games. 2nd spinner spot still a worry though.

 

[Ari]

Lack of Diremanti warming the benches was why we lost.

Ari added 2 Minutes and 29 Seconds later...

Seriously though once we get Mills and Franklin back into it our bowling will be stronger and our lower order will have some guts to it.

 

[Dare]

I'd say give Butt another chance, you never know. If he fails, then we may as well give a game to Imran Farhat.

Really sucks that the only backup opener Pakistan brought was Farhat. Any youngsters and actual good openers in Pakistan?

And where was Malik, just noticed he didnt play?

 

[sami ullah khan]

Great Display by Pakistan :banana2. Pakistan should go for the kill now and look to clean sweep the kiwis. Kiwis Bastmen apparently have no answer to our bowling. If we score over 250, bowlers will do a good job defending. Pakistan just have to keep bond and vettori out. Rest of kiwi bowlers should not be that much of a worry.