Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[thedon5]

Colin isn't revealing his result, so no ideas what he picked up.

But if there are two cops (I'm not entirely sure whether or not Colin is Mafia), there's a good chance I'm naive. Still, for now I want to rule out Ste, at least in my mind, I won't lynch him.

 

[Aditya]

Seriously? Jeez, you just don't want to accept the fact that Ste can be mafia. That does make me more suspicious of you and Colin's last post, makes more sense now that you are clearly supporting Ste.

@Colin - Going by what you are saying, Sedition, Ste and Thedon are the 3 mafia's. Do you think there's a 4th, if so, who?

 

[thedon5]

There are definitely two cops but not quite in the way we all thought. I suppose I may as well move things along by revealing my result.
I got a mafia result on Don which took a while to work through but I reckon I've got there in the end. He's the mafia rolecop.
It fits his role perfectly and gives him a solid claim. Role cops dig dirt on people and as a tabloid reporter he's not with the forces of good!
I wondered how the mafia had been so successful at knowing who to block and target and the role cop explains it.

As far as I can work out Smurf was the mafia roleblocker, Don is the rolecop which leaves ste as the Godfather. I could be wrong about ste but I think if he was town Don would be going after him.

Don wasn't blocked last night because the roleblocker is dead. It's possible he got a choice of roles to use when Smurf died as User was blocked on night 5.
I find it very interesting that Don is obviously now panicking about the fact User being town clears me. He's now trying hard to distance himself from the lynch.

Anyway well played mafia. The fact both Smurf and Don claimed power roles was a realyl good strategy and totally threw us. It was proved that Smurf was lying by User and now I've got a guilty result on Don.

Lynch: thedon

You're clearly lying. Anyway when you mentioned an interesting result, I had a feeling it may be this, and I'm glad you've come out with it as I now know that from the three, you are Mafia. Again, I ask the question, why would the Mafia block me when they could block/kill you, the better player? if you are Mafia, it was then a good idea to kill treva. He was the main guy who was likely to gun for a lynch on you, now he's dead everyone can blindly follow you instead and I'll be the sole one putting a lynch in on you.

My line from the write-up also mentioned promising leads. A Mafia rolecop would not look for promising leads, a town cop would look for promising leads as to who exactly was guilty of a kill. The word leads is vital here.

The roleblocker is not dead, I have no idea where you get that from. If you are a member of the Mafia, it's a good idea for you to come out and say I couldn't have been blocked since you certainly have the power to convince everyone that Smurf was the Mafia roleblocker and not something else as was suggested by the others like User and Sedition. As a matter of fact, you still think User was town, right? Well, User got the result that Smurf was around no-one when he blocked me, so surely if you thought User was telling the truth, then Smurf couldn't have been the roleblocker, and the roleblocker is still out there?

Lynch: barmyarmy

Posts made so far:

thedon5 - 109
barmyarmy - 90
ste_mc_efc - 66
Aditya - 49
BKB - 45 both lives
RPHKR - 39
Zhuorb - 31

The rest of you can go ahead and blindly follow Colin as usual and lynch the most active member in the game by far (that's real Mafia gameplay, eh, posting more than everyone else), or you can lynch one of the others.

 

[barmyarmy]

Seriously? Jeez, you just don't want to accept the fact that Ste can be mafia. That does make me more suspicious of you and Colin's last post, makes more sense now that you are clearly supporting Ste.

@Colin - Going by what you are saying, Sedition, Ste and Thedon are the 3 mafia's. Do you think there's a 4th, if so, who?

Smurf was almost certainly. Don't know about sedition. It's really hard to know when alignment hasn't been revealed on death.
I've said consistently I think ste is but there's a chance he's telling the truth and thedon is a much better target as we actually have a guilty result.

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Again, I ask the question, why would the Mafia block me when they could block/kill you, the better player?

They didn't block you! You made it up...

 

[thedon5]

Seriously? Jeez, you just don't want to accept the fact that Ste can be mafia. That does make me more suspicious of you and Colin's last post, makes more sense now that you are clearly supporting Ste.

@Colin - Going by what you are saying, Sedition, Ste and Thedon are the 3 mafia's. Do you think there's a 4th, if so, who?

Sedition was nightkilled, he can't be Mafia.

I've said, there is a good chance that Ste can be Mafia. I just don't want to pursue that further. There is a chance I am a naive cop, but it's not confirmed by any means. Fact is I got town results on Abhas and Sedition, who are both confirmed town. That means there is still a chance I am sane. As I said, there isn't just one Mafioso out there, there are several, at least one guy doing the killing and one guy doing the roleblocking. Now there are some possibilities. Ste could be Godfather, I could be naive, or he could be town. I have said numerous times, I don't want to consider him town for sure, but I'm willing to put him in the background FOR NOW, as there is clearly at least one more Mafia member out there, who I can go after first. With you and Zhuorb confirmed town, there are four players left, so a 25% chance he is the Godfather, and perhaps a further 25% chance he is the roleblocker and I am naive. Or he is town, which there is perhaps a 50% chance of. I'm going with the majority here.

Also, from Colin's little go at me I can now tell he is Mafia. So I am the sole cop in the game, it isn't likely that I am naive. More reason to believe my result. Also with Colin as Mafia, the chances of Ste being Mafia become even lower.

Anyway, keep following Colin blindly. It seems to be what everyone does here so I guess if you get on the wrong side of him you're guaranteed to get lynched.

 

[barmyarmy]

Well, User got the result that Smurf was around no-one when he blocked me, so surely if you thought User was telling the truth, then Smurf couldn't have been the roleblocker, and the roleblocker is still out there?

This now, for the first time, makes perfect sense. Smurf was trying to clear you by saying he blocked you but had to change his story when User said he was seen around no-one.
Classic mafia ploy; say you've blocked a team-mate but don't actually do it. Just didn't count on being tracked...

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Posts made so far:

thedon5 - 109
barmyarmy - 90
ste_mc_efc - 66
Aditya - 49
BKB - 45 both lives
RPHKR - 39
Zhuorb - 31

The rest of you can go ahead and blindly follow Colin as usual and lynch the most active member in the game by far (that's real Mafia gameplay, eh, posting more than everyone else), or you can lynch one of the others.

That's a poor defence. Mafias can post plenty too. Seeing as one of you or me are definitely mafia and we have most and second most posts...
It's up to the other players to look at claims, gameplay and decide who they believe.

 

[Aditya]

I believe neither of you, it's as simple as that. I'd go by what the majority agrees upon, what I'd do however is, look for possibilities.

We shall believe you because you're the so called "highest poster" of this game? Well, it doesn't work this way. If we really go by that, then Colin isn't really far behind, as per the activity is concerned. I'm suspicious of you, because you're jut not ready to accept that Ste can well might be the mafia and at this point of the game, we need to look at every single possibility/ties. You however say, that Colin, BKB or RPHKR could be possible mafia's. Why? Until and unless you aren't backing up your suspicion with any good evidence or reasoning, I just cannot believe you.

Also, doesn't the mafia GF come up as town aligned, while investigated or am I missing something?

 

[thedon5]

Smurf was almost certainly. Don't know about sedition. It's really hard to know when alignment hasn't been revealed on death.
I've said consistently I think ste is but there's a chance he's telling the truth and thedon is a much better target as we actually have a guilty result.

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They didn't block you! You made it up...

All right, gotcha now. Anyway, I'll leave it to the others to decide. They will obviously follow you without thinking, but if they actually go back and look at my posts, especially my role-claiming post, they'll see my gameplay has been very much town. I haven't made lies either, as I haven't been trying to cover them up, and I haven't posted anything that can be considered an uneven story or anything, as we saw with Smurf.

It's unlikely you're a random cop so I have no choice but to believe you are Mafia.

 

[barmyarmy]

Also, doesn't the mafia GF come up as town aligned, while investigated or am I missing something?

Yes he does. I don't have a result on ste though. Don however claims to...

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All right, gotcha now. Anyway, I'll leave it to the others to decide. They will obviously follow you without thinking, but if they actually go back and look at my posts, especially my role-claiming post, they'll see my gameplay has been very much town. I haven't made lies either, as I haven't been trying to cover them up, and I haven't posted anything that can be considered an uneven story or anything, as we saw with Smurf.

It's unlikely you're a random cop so I have no choice but to believe you are Mafia.

I don't deny that you've played very well and the fact the write-up supported your claim meant that I held off investigating you.
Your claim was double edged though. Whilst it confirmed you were in the game, it's clearly a mafia character and role imo. NOTW reporter is perfect for mafia role cop.

You say you haven't been caught lying but "caught" is the key word. Smurf would have been able to say the same had User not tracked him that night.

 

[Aditya]

Ste could be Godfather, I could be naive, or he could be town. I have said numerous times, I don't want to consider him town for sure, but I'm willing to put him in the background FOR NOW, as there is clearly at least one more Mafia member out there, who I can go after first.

That's what I'm asking from you, a detailed post explaining why you feel one is town or mafia.

The fact is, one lynch wrong here and there, can be disastrous, hence if the need be, we have to lynch Ste today itself. Don't rule out possibilities, that's all I'm asking from you.

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We don't blindly believe Colin but clearly by the looks of it, he at this point of time, looks more convincing, simply because of his analysis of the mafia team and the valid point about a mafia rolecop. If I was to believe him blindly, I would've already placed a lynch on you. Although I'm too, waiting for what the others think.

 

[thedon5]

I believe neither of you, it's as simple as that. I'd go by what the majority agrees upon, what I'd do however is, look for possibilities.

We shall believe you because you're the so called "highest poster" of this game? Well, it doesn't work this way. If we really go by that, then Colin isn't really far behind, as per the activity is concerned. I'm suspicious of you, because you're jut not ready to accept that Ste can well might be the mafia and at this point of the game, we need to look at every single possibility/ties. You however say, that Colin, BKB or RPHKR could be possible mafia's. Why? Until and unless you aren't backing up your suspicion with any good evidence or reasoning, I just cannot believe you.

Also, doesn't the mafia GF come up as town aligned, while investigated or am I missing something?

I'm not saying that's the sole reason to believe me, my post count. This game is about gameplay, posting more than everyone else isn't scummy gameplay. Most of Colin's posts were on day 1, almost none of mine were. Day 1 is a good day for the Mafia to post as there's no real need to voice their suspicions or anything, it's more just write-up analysis and an attempt to find the roles in the game.

Are you reading my posts? I got this result, what am I meant to do about it? I'm not just going to follow the crowd and go after Ste. I'm the cop, I have to use my results. He also explained his gameplay after his claim. His gameplay definitely makes sense to me when you look at his bulletproof role. He is a new player, like me, and as I said, if I got given that role, I would've definitely attempted to play similarly to the way he did.

I am going after Colin, RPHKR and BKB mainly by a process of elimination. You and Zhuorb can't be Mafia, and I'm getting the feeling Ste is town. Even if he is Mafia, one of those three has to be Mafia as there are two Mafia left at least. I have gone after RPHKR before, his gameplay has looked more Mafia to me. I have explained it numerous times before, you just don't seem to read my posts. I wanted to lynch Colin yesterday but User had already been hammered. BKB's gameplay hasn't screamed town by any means. He seems either Mafia or neutral. Using the process of elimination, I have no choice but to be at least a bit suspicious of him.

I can go back and quote these posts if you like of mine, since you don't seem to like reading my posts. I've mentioned concrete reasons why I thought Ste could be town, not just my result and they've all gone over your head. Like all your posts. I've also said in every single post where I've defended him that there is still a chance he could be Mafia, but I want to leave him be for now. The latest post where I mentioned this was my first post of the day. Again, it goes straight over your head and you don't think about it.

Yes, the Godfather does come up town-aligned.

 

[barmyarmy]

Claims

Aditya (Mason) - confirmed by the write-up after Manly's death. Was convinced sedition and I were mafia at one point and also User and me IIRC. I'm not that keen on dying to prove you wrong like they had to!

Zhuorb (Seeker) - confirmed by the write-up after BKB1's death. Has made a lot of posts about how he is away and busy but don't feel he has contributed much.

BKB2 (survivor) - has been in the background a bit since returning. Decent contribution at times. I think there's still a chance he is still survivor and not vanilla townie.

RPHKR (doctor) - Solid claim although hasn't been much use to the town! Could make all the difference in the game if we manage to lynch a mafia today by saving at night.

Ste (bulletproof) - Weak claim often favoured by mafias. Gameplay hasn't been overly scummy but very hard to get a proper read on new players.

thedon (cop) - has had quite a directing style since his claim. Convinced me enough for me to not counter-claim cop when he claimed it. Guilty result says mafia role cop.


If we assume that Smurf was mafia then there are probably 2 (maybe 3) remaining. I would strongly favour them being Ste and thedon. I'm a bit surprised that thedon is defending ste as the usual mafia tactic at this point is to distance yourself from your partner in case they go down.

Assuming 2 mafia remaining we're not at LyLo as it's 5-2 town (possibly 4-2 with BKB as 3rd party).

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For the record 27 of my 94 posts were on day 1... Hardly most.

 

[thedon5]

Yes he does. I don't have a result on ste though. Don however claims to...

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I don't deny that you've played very well and the fact the write-up supported your claim meant that I held off investigating you.
Your claim was double edged though. Whilst it confirmed you were in the game, it's clearly a mafia character and role imo. NOTW reporter is perfect for mafia role cop.

You say you haven't been caught lying but "caught" is the key word. Smurf would have been able to say the same had User not tracked him that night.

I agree with you there, that's why I was surprised when I wasn't actually paranoid or something.

Fact is, that write-up post remains.

He knew where he worked was a joke, but it was his chance. He only hoped he could find the truth. He just had to find some promising leads.

That CANNOT be referring to a Mafia rolecop. A Mafia rolecop doesn't look for leads. More importantly, a Mafia rolecop doesn't look to find the truth either, that's a town cop trying to find the truth about a murder. His chance suggests he wants to oust the murderer and therefore get a chance to get some publicity of his own. Again, a thief wouldn't publish his results. A good cop trying to oust a murderer would.

Actually, looking back at this line as well, it suggests to me that I am most likely sane as well and not naive. Even if I am sane though, there is still a chance Ste is Godfather. Clearly this cop guy is different to his company, News of the World is evil and makes up stories and is generally unreliable. If he knows where he works is a joke, clearly he is independent of the company and actually wants to find the truth. He isn't keen on making up stories.

Anyway, I think it's necessary for me to go back to some of my earlier posts to refresh everyone's minds about what I've said in the past.

 

[barmyarmy]

Truth and leads can equally refer to a mafia role imo. Leads about town players; truth about their role.
The write-ups are meant to be ambiguous and, as you said yourself, you thought your character sounded scummy.

 

[thedon5]

Claims

Aditya (Mason) - confirmed by the write-up after Manly's death. Was convinced sedition and I were mafia at one point and also User and me IIRC. I'm not that keen on dying to prove you wrong like they had to!

Zhuorb (Seeker) - confirmed by the write-up after BKB1's death. Has made a lot of posts about how he is away and busy but don't feel he has contributed much.

BKB2 (survivor) - has been in the background a bit since returning. Decent contribution at times. I think there's still a chance he is still survivor and not vanilla townie.

RPHKR (doctor) - Solid claim although hasn't been much use to the town! Could make all the difference in the game if we manage to lynch a mafia today by saving at night.

Ste (bulletproof) - Weak claim often favoured by mafias. Gameplay hasn't been overly scummy but very hard to get a proper read on new players.

thedon (cop) - has had quite a directing style since his claim. Convinced me enough for me to not counter-claim cop when he claimed it. Guilty result says mafia role cop.


If we assume that Smurf was mafia then there are probably 2 (maybe 3) remaining. I would strongly favour them being Ste and thedon. I'm a bit surprised that thedon is defending ste as the usual mafia tactic at this point is to distance yourself from your partner in case they go down.

Assuming 2 mafia remaining we're not at LyLo as it's 5-2 town (possibly 4-2 with BKB as 3rd party).

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For the record 27 of my 94 posts were on day 1... Hardly most.

I don't have a partner, that's why. I don't have to make up a story changing my mind all of a sudden since I'm town.

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Truth and leads can equally refer to a mafia role imo. Leads about town players; truth about their role.
The write-ups are meant to be ambiguous and, as you said yourself, you thought your character sounded scummy.

The character sounds scummy from the name. Once you look deeper into it, it's not.

I've found PD's write-ups to be pretty reliable in his games. Either way, the ambiguity can't go that far. This was mentioned after a night where someone was killed, clearly that would be something for a day 1 write-up and not a day 3 write-up.

Also, there is still no confirmation about RPHKR's role, someone has died every night. I want to go after him as well, I don't have much of a choice though. I doubt PD would make Colin a random cop, so he's likely Mafia making up a story to get a townie lynched.