Puddle Mafia 04 - Endgame Mafia (barmyarmy, BKB, RPHKR win)

[Aditya]

@Ste - Alright, we don't lynch you. Who do we lynch then? Most likely Colin right, alright let's believe we lynch him and he is indeed mafia. What next? After him, who are you the most suspicious of?

 

[ste_mc_efc]

It's pretty obvious isn't it? If I die it immediately becomes apparent that Don was lying about his claim and he gets lynched. He has been keeping me alive.

and this explains why you have been kept alive from day one, does it?

there have been times when we were nowhere near lynching anybody let alone lynching a mafia. Plenty of opportunities to take you out as there is nobody close to rumbling anything.

Your argument of soft claiming doesn't add up either as the mafia could have picked up on it too.

Your point about keeping a low profile in terms of not leading discussions to not draw attention to your role would make sense, if it wasn't for the fact that if i was mafia i'd be thinking "why isn't, the perceived strongest town player, leading?" and the conclusion being "he must have a strongish role and not want to get killed" which would make me want to night kill you more.

Basically the mafia are either incompetent, or have you as a member. Since we don't definitely know if we have even lynched a mafia player yet i'm not very inclined to think they are incompetent.

 

[thedon5]

Don, what do you think about lynching Ste, so that you are cleared?

How does it clear me?

No, I don't want to lynch Ste, as I said, there is a very good chance he is town and even if he is, there is at least one other out there so I'd rather get that guy first.

I don't care if it clears me, I want to go after Mafia. Now I'm town, and so Colin getting a guilty result means he either must be lying, or is a random cop. Random cops are so rare, I doubt PD would put one in, so for me he has to be Mafia, most likely roleblocker. He still hasn't proved that he isn't roleblocker.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

@Ste - Alright, we don't lynch you. Who do we lynch then? Most likely Colin right, alright let's believe we lynch him and he is indeed mafia. What next? After him, who are you the most suspicious of?

I'm not really sure. I thought user was full of it. Although it was close between him and colin i felt that there was no real chance of lynching colin yesterday so had to go for user otherwise it would have been me who went.

I'm inclined to believe thedon, I was a bit skeptical of his result on me at first and thought he might have just been trying to get me on-side, but it makes sense now and notw reporter being pro town, despite being counter-intuitive makes a lot of sense too.

 

[barmyarmy]

and this explains why you have been kept alive from day one, does it?

there have been times when we were nowhere near lynching anybody let alone lynching a mafia. Plenty of opportunities to take you out as there is nobody close to rumbling anything.

Your argument of soft claiming doesn't add up either as the mafia could have picked up on it too.

Your point about keeping a low profile in terms of not leading discussions to not draw attention to your role would make sense, if it wasn't for the fact that if i was mafia i'd be thinking "why isn't, the perceived strongest town player, leading?" and the conclusion being "he must have a strongish role and not want to get killed" which would make me want to night kill you more.

Basically the mafia are either incompetent, or have you as a member. Since we don't definitely know if we have even lynched a mafia player yet i'm not very inclined to think they are incompetent.

The mafia thought they could get me lynched off. Evidently they still do...

 

[thedon5]

It's pretty obvious isn't it? If I die it immediately becomes apparent that Don was lying about his claim and he gets lynched. He has been keeping me alive.

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The point you're missing is that the mafia have fake claims. Smurf claimed roleblocker and the fact he was Trott doesn't mean he wasn't mafia.

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If I was mafia I would have killed the person who has been most suspicious of my play throughout the game, Aditya (also the person who got me killed last game!). Treva was the obvious target last night because they knew the doc (probably) couldn't protect him two nights running.

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Like I said. Two reasons:
1. Killing me shows I was telling the truth about being cop.
2. I might have been protected last night. Far safer to kill Treva.

I'm sorry, I'm a bit lost here, but how does it prove I was lying if you die? I don't get it.

Yes, but I thought you just said the roleblocker was dead Colin? If there was a roleblocker who is now dead, it could only be either Smurf or User. Or it's you, more likely. Sounds like a story to me.

Treva was also the double voter, and seemingly was holding a lot more power in the game than Aditya, so it definitely makes a lot more sense to lynch treva and not you. His double vote alone meant two people would've been needed, me and Ste it seems.

Your last paragraphs are all poor assumptions, I don't buy any of it. Nor do I buy any of your whole post.

 

[barmyarmy]

I'm not really sure. I thought user was full of it. Although it was close between him and colin i felt that there was no real chance of lynching colin yesterday so had to go for user otherwise it would have been me who went.

I'm inclined to believe thedon, I was a bit skeptical of his result on me at first and thought he might have just been trying to get me on-side, but it makes sense now and notw reporter being pro town, despite being counter-intuitive makes a lot of sense too.

That was nice the way you two didn't believe each other straight away but came to a decision based on the evidence...

I wasn't sure you were GF before but I'm not in much doubt now.

 

[thedon5]

@Ste - Alright, we don't lynch you. Who do we lynch then? Most likely Colin right, alright let's believe we lynch him and he is indeed mafia. What next? After him, who are you the most suspicious of?

It's pretty obvious to me. Looking at it from your guys' view, it's either me or Colin for sure today.

 

[barmyarmy]

I'm sorry, I'm a bit lost here, but how does it prove I was lying if you die? I don't get it.

If we have both claimed cop and I am night-killed then it becomes obvious that I am town and was telling the truth. Ergo you are mafia.

 

[Aditya]

Ste claimed Andy Flower, once he is lynched, his character will be revealed. If he is mafia, I don't really see how Andy could be his character. Unless of course PD assigned characters randomly, which I'm a little hesitant to believe.

 

[barmyarmy]

Yes, but I thought you just said the roleblocker was dead Colin? If there was a roleblocker who is now dead, it could only be either Smurf or User. Or it's you, more likely. Sounds like a story to me.

I've said several times I think the RB was Smurf. Clear enough?

 

[Aditya]

My post is in reference to Don asking, how he would be cleared if Ste is lynched.

 

[barmyarmy]

Treva was also the double voter, and seemingly was holding a lot more power in the game than Aditya, so it definitely makes a lot more sense to lynch treva and not you. His double vote alone meant two people would've been needed, me and Ste it seems.

I don't understand what you're saying here. Treva wasn't going to be lynched.

Your last paragraphs are all poor assumptions, I don't buy any of it. Nor do I buy any of your whole post.

Explain how they are poor assumptions. They make perfect sense.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

The mafia thought they could get me lynched off. Evidently they still do...

people are going to be reluctant to lynch you off until the latter stages as it's obviously a huge loss to the town if you go early. Which is again why you would have been killed off earlier.

 

[barmyarmy]

people are going to be reluctant to lynch you off until the latter stages as it's obviously a huge loss to the town if you go early. Which is again why you would have been killed off earlier.

I usually get night-killed early for being too useful to the town. On this occasion I wasn't that useful and they thought they had a chance of a lynch. Remember this game is won through mis-lynches more than night kills.
I can't defend myself from a charge that "if you were town you'd be dead" because it's ridiculous and makes playing the game pointless.
Once I had claimed I was safe from night-kill because of Don's claim.

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As a final thought you two would have more credibility going after me if I hadn't just accused both of you of being mafia.