Shakib - the 5th best spinner in the world?

[Arunava]

I very agree with you there, even I will take Kallis, Flintoff, Oram and Vettori over him any day. But by famous I referred to Collingwood and Afridi, not rest.
Also these are current-form rating and not tell consistency (for that i have look ratings of previous years with period of 6 months.)

If Shakib maintains this consistency for a long-term then he will be among best ever allrounders.
This is what it says. .These ratings shows Talent that exists in a particular player, which if he maintains and does justice to can become one of the best.

Kallis , Flintoff and others have done this again and again for many years and arguably they can't be compared to Shakib. Their average ratings must be better than Shakib's best ever rating i.e current rating.

 

[Precambrian]

Though I like Shakib, him being ranked at No.1 over others like Flintoff Kallis etc shows how tweaked the ICC rankings are.

 

[Themer]

Though I like Shakib, him being ranked at No.1 over others like Flintoff Kallis etc shows how fliped the ICC rankings are.

Not really Kallis and Flintoff have been out of form, (Kallis and Flintoffs battings been poor) and Flintoff has been injured for a lot of that time so I think they probably rightish.

 

[Dare]

Though I like Shakib, him being ranked at No.1 over others like Flintoff Kallis etc shows how fliped the ICC rankings are.

he his ranked over them because he has had a better year or at least the last 6 months. not because the ICC rankings are flawed.


also people don't hate on Bravo, injured for the last 6-7 months but ever improving.

 

[ZexyZahid]

It's great for Shakib, that he is on top on the allrounder's rankings and he deserves it for his consistent performances in previous year.

 

[deerkick]

Dwayne Bravo is also very very underrated.

He's always doing his job for the Windies, but his feats are usually overshadowed by Chanderpaul and Gayle.

 

[Dare]

the only thing against Bravo is the high bowling average in tests.

 

[irottev]

Best all-rounder right now? Jacob Oram, there can't be any competition.

If only he could get on the park lol

I think Shakib has had a great period and i'm happy for him. He deserves the number one spot. Whether he's the best or not, he has been in the last few months so good on him.

Flintoff will have a chance against the West Indies to rise above him, as will Oram and Vettori against India. Kallis will play Australia again also. I think Kallis deserves to be top right now. He had a great series in Australia. If the rankings took into accounts the fact that he was part of a series win in Australia against Australia he'd be well ahead. All he really gets points for is the won games which could have been against anyone, anywhere.

He is the second Bangladeshi cricketer to break into any top 10 list, after left-arm spinner Abdur Razzak, who reached the eighth spot in the ODI bowling rankings in November 2007. Shakib, currently ranked number 12 in the ODI bowling charts, is tenth on the list of Test allrounders as well, making him the first from Bangladesh to enter the top 10 in any Test category.

Second ever. It seems Rafique was never on a Top10

 

[TruSachFan]

High cost? 63 wickets at 31 is a pretty impressive record for an offy, doesn't seem to be too high a cost per wicket for my money. Only went at 2.81 an over as well.

He's bowled more than 731 overs or something like that. Thats almost 150 ovs more than the next highest, Lee. Not to forget the fact that harbhajan mostly bowled on subcontinental pitches. Heck, even the likes of Sehwag and Yuvi bowled better than this turd in some of the matches. Never mind the fact that the newbies like Swann and Kreza bowled SIGNIFICANTLY better than him.

 

[angryangy]

Best all-rounder in the world right now? ICC Rankings may say so, but i disagree. I'd definitely take Flintoff, Kallis and Oram over Shakib, Vettori as well if he's considered an all-rounder?

I guess taking Oram would have an advantage, as it would mean you'd get an extra player, as cover for Oram...

I think this topic has spiralled out of control a bit. For everyone who disagrees, the reputation of Shakib Al Hasan has grown another metre.

He is an exciting player. Bangladesh have been playing better in both forms of the game much due to his reliability, especially the bowling. At 21, his upside is immense; he may not be Tendulkar, but he is surely a natural batsman and it seems equally adept at spin bowling.

But don't get ahead of the facts. Don't argue records, he hasn't been around long enough to make one. He isn't awesome because of records, he is awesome simply because of how he plays, he is a player of the moment. While he is in the middle, batting or bowling, Bangladesh threaten to win, something which is almost shocking to the average spectator.

 

[King Cricket]

Look guys, Sakib can be a good player. But rating him as the world's no 1 all-rounder is something too much. I think some drastic change should be made in ICC's "rating point" system. If a player performs in one match he jumps up 10 spots, again if he fails in the next match he drops down 20 spots- What is this? This is so very very stupid.

 

[Dare]

Look guys, Sakib can be a good player. But rating him as the world's no 1 all-rounder is something too much. I think some drastic change should be made in ICC's "rating point" system. If a player performs in one match he jumps up 10 spots, again if he fails in the next match he drops down 20 spots- What is this? This is so very very stupid.

Where did you see that Shakib jumped up 10 spots on one performance? He has been consistently good over the past 6 or so months and that is the reason why he is up there in the rankings.
There is no change needed for the ICC rankings. They are fine as they are.

 

[King Cricket]

57 wickets in 21 tests is about 2-3 wickets per test, around 1-2 per innings. 259 runs in 28 innings is about 10 per innings. I stick by what I said...

Same with your Sakib.....

35 wickets in 12 tests is nearly 2-3 wickets per test, 1-2 per innings, 556 runs in 22 innings is nearly 25 runs each innings, I stick by what I said

 

[Slowcoach]

Shakib has taken more 5 wicket hauls this year than Flintoff has in his entire career, the ratings are not flawed.

And before you say it is just because all the other Bangladesh bowlers are useless and he has no competition for wickets, I would like to remind you that Shakib took 7 for 36 off 25 overs (or something like that) in one innings in a test v New Zealand, that is great bowling in anyone's language.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Same with your Sakib.....

35 wickets in 12 tests is nearly 2-3 wickets per test, 1-2 per innings, 556 runs in 22 innings is nearly 25 runs each innings, I stick by what I said

Aha, critical flaw in your argument. I'm talking about Shakib in the last few months or so. Take the last 6 months, he has 339 runs in 11 innings at an average of about 30 runs per innings, and 32 wickets in 12 innings, which is nearly 3 wickets an innings. 5 wickets per test.

In the same time, Paul Harris has 94 runs in 6 innings at an average of 18.8, and 14 wickets in 10 innings, about a wicket per innings, and nearly 3 per test.

Are we done here?