End Game Star Wars Mafia - End Mafia(Surendar) & Third Party (Fake Passport) Won

[Fake Passport]

Up to Post [HASHTAG]#345[/HASHTAG]

So one of the things I've used in the past is conceptually similar to what Asprin did last game in working out the VIP was Villain by realizing we hadn't voted for him. I find anti-town people distance themselves from others and minimize interaction.

This is a list of everyones interactions with everyone else by way of quote, might be useless, might be useful.
Games I really care about I further categorise them by support, accusation, procedural or distancing, but I don't have the time this game.


Asprin has quoted...

Swacker - 1,
Zwarrior - 1,
Villain - 1,2,3,
Fake - 1,
Rudolph - 1,2,​

Fake Passport

CaptainCremer - 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,
Asprin - 1,2,
Rudolph - 1,2,3/4,5,6,7,
Villain - 1,2,
Mrs Pacman - 1,
El Loco - 1,
Zwarrior - 1,2,3,
Varun - 1,​

Villain

CaptainCremer - 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,
Rudolph - 1,
FakePassport - 1,2,3,
Zwarrior - 1,2,
Asprin - 1,2,
Swacker - 1,
El Loco - 1,
Surendar - 1,
​

Surendar

Villain - 1,2,
Zwarrior - 1,2,
Swacker - 1,
CaptainCremer - 1,2,3,4,
El Loco - 1,2,
Asprin - 1,
Mrs Pacman - 1,
Varun - 1,2,3/4,5,6,
Rudolph - 1,2,​

PresidentEvil

Swacker

CaptainCremer - 1,2,3,
Villain - 1,
El loco - 1,
Surendar - 1,
Varun - 1,2,
Rudolph - 1/2,​

MrsPacman

Fake - 1,2,
El Loco - 1,
Villain - 1,
CaptainCremer - 1,
Varun - 1,
Surendar - 1,​

Rudolph

Fake - 1,2,3,4/5,6,7,8,9,10,
CaptainCremer - 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,
Mrs Pacman - 1,
Zwarrior - 1,
Varun - 1,2,3,
Asprin - 1,
Swacker - 1,
El Loco - 1,​

El Loco

Fake - 1,
Mrs Pacman - 1,
CaptainCremer - 1,
surendar - 1,2,3,4,
Rudolph - 1,​

Zwarrior

Varun - 1,
Asprin - 1,2,
Mrs Pacman - 1,2,
Villain - 1/2,
Surendar - 1,2,3,4,
Rudolph - 1,
CaptainCremer - 1,2,
Fake - 1,2,​

CaptainCremer

Villain - 1,2/3,4,5,6,7,8,
Rudolph - 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,
Fake - 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,
Surendar - 1,2,3,
Zwarrior - 1,2,3,
Swacker - 1,
El loco - 1,
Varun - 1,
MrsPacman - 1,
PresidentEvil - 1,​

Varun

Asprin - 1,
Zwarrior - 1,
Rudolph - 1,
Surendar - 1,2,3,
CaptainCremer - 1,2,
swacker - 1,2,​

 

[surendar]

Are you telling you received a name for your role? I was convinced that CC and Varun are town, based on just that too.

And how sure are you about mafia having nameless characters for fake claim?

Nope, I didn't. When did I ever say I received a name? Also, in my reply to Varun, I asked how to believe that nameless character as solid proof for town? It can help fake claims as well - logically, correct?

In that reply, I neither spoke about my role nor about mafia having nameless characters for sure. I was giving my view back that nameless character can't be convincing enough, anyone can play that card.

 

[El Loco]

I would have agreed with all the above if I was the only one to do so. Any reason why you're specifically targeting me when there are more who have exhibited the same behavior?

Acknowledging the accusers concern (without expressing the need to address it, I might add) but then also spinning it back on them to try and put them in a bad light in the process.
Two birdies, one stone?

 

[surendar]

it will not be surprising if the mafia win condition goes like "the sith/empire wins on eliminating all the rebels"

It was Senator Ruth Martin. I hosted the game...

That was my point, you won't be surprised if it turns out like that "sith/empire", but you can't be sure how it is there. If he would have stated eliminating mafia alone as common clause, I would have never bought that argument. But he was sure on what it is there and he didn't hesitate. Looking at the way he used it at first attempt, I am not going to change my view. I don't even know what his role or character is, I wasn't ready to do deep dive inside FP vs Rudolph thing that happened earlier and build my case against these 2 utilizing the conflict. My view- he was sure about what he claimed and it is believable to me. It's way better than going by nameless characters.

And regarding that silence of lamb, sorry, I still remember Colin using it as president context fooling the town. So yeah forgot in depth details of it.

 

[surendar]

@surendar I do not know why you think varun & I are an alliance. I haven't protected him, and he has only recently started to post regularly, which makes it hard to put pressure on him.

I know he announced that he believes I'm definitely town, but that doesn't mean that we are working together.

I am yet to catch up on all posts after my last post here, but to your question, I felt these :
FP and Rudolph had conflicts, you had Rudolph in scum radar and believed him to be mafia, Varun had FP in scum radar and wanted to lynch Rudolph.

Basically you both tagged along in FP's case having each in their respective scum radar and indirectly pushing for lynch behind the scenes. This looked to me as an indirect connection. I felt this vibe while going through your posts.

 

[El Loco]

Up to Post [HASHTAG]#345[/HASHTAG]

So one of the things I've used in the past is conceptually similar to what Asprin did last game in working out the VIP was Villain by realizing we hadn't voted for him. I find anti-town people distance themselves from others and minimize interaction.

This is a list of everyones interactions with everyone else by way of quote, might be useless, might be useful.
Games I really care about I further categorise them by support, accusation, procedural or distancing, but I don't have the time this game.

You'll often find that Mafia establish a superficial trust in someone they think is town by supporting their thoughts/logic and sometimes perhaps even attempting to mirror them.
This is the case, I feel, with Surendar.

And of course a townie is always going to warm to somebody who they think is corresponding with them, as opposed to the rest of the town who are still sceptical because they are none the wise about the set-up and are reluctant to place confidence in any one person.

 

[Fake Passport]

You'll often find that Mafia establish a superficial trust in someone they think is town by supporting their thoughts/logic and sometimes perhaps even attempting to mirror them.
This is the case, I feel, with Surendar.

And of course a townie is always going to warm to somebody who they think is corresponding with them, as opposed to the rest of the town who are still sceptical because they are none the wise about the set-up and are reluctant to place confidence in any one person.

I know, I have a keybind to help generate what I have there, further categorization and reading is the more manual process, but thought id post it incase people do want to read into it.

 

[surendar]

Now that I've had a think about it:

Lynch: Surendar

Bottom line is he's willing put his trust in the right/wrong person (yet to be ascertained), for the wrong reasons.
I doubt if Rudolph has an opinion on the matter. If anything, he's probably excited at the fact that someone actually supports the legitimacy of his claim. Would be nice if he had the ability to see past it though.

I am good with your views, like how you built your case based on what you felt right, I believed things based on what I felt right. In this stage of game, where we are yet to crack the view of this set up and with so many unknowns, I will just play by my instincts.

 

[surendar]

You'll often find that Mafia establish a superficial trust in someone they think is town by supporting their thoughts/logic and sometimes perhaps even attempting to mirror them.
This is the case, I feel, with Surendar.

Yeah right, that's why I stood by being accurate of that claim. Mafia knows all the phrases sent out to town and he would be very sure.

I wasn't surprised to see it there, I was sure about it being there. There is a difference. Whatever, I still respect your views because you built by what you felt it right instead of tagging along utilizing the conflict between 2.[DOUBLEPOST=1500130825][/DOUBLEPOST]First 3 lines of above post was sarcasm by the way!

 

[El Loco]

I am good with your views, like how you built your case based on what you felt right, I believed things based on what I felt right. In this stage of game, where we are yet to crack the view of this set up and with so many unknowns, I will just play by my instincts.

Fair enough. But whether you're Mafia or not, I'm sure you could've found something at least a bit more watertight to endorse because I felt like I was taking it apart as I was reading it, it really doesn't hold up to be honest.

 

[surendar]

Fair enough. But whether you're Mafia or not, I'm sure you could've found something at least a bit more watertight to endorse because I felt like I was taking it apart as I was reading it, it really doesn't hold up to be honest.

Please see my reply to CC above.

I am yet to catch up on all posts after my last post here, but to your question, I felt these :
FP and Rudolph had conflicts, you had Rudolph in scum radar and believed him to be mafia, Varun had FP in scum radar and wanted to lynch Rudolph.

Basically you both tagged along in FP's case having each in their respective scum radar and indirectly pushing for lynch behind the scenes. This looked to me as an indirect connection. I felt this vibe while going through your posts.

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Fair enough. But whether you're Mafia or not, I'm sure you could've found something at least a bit more watertight to endorse because I felt like I was taking it apart as I was reading it, it really doesn't hold up to be honest.

Basically how I built my case, I removed whole heated up personalized conversations between FP and Rudolph, and wanted to see outside of it instead of getting lost into that.

 

[Varun]

That was my point, you won't be surprised if it turns out like that "sith/empire", but you can't be sure how it is there. If he would have stated eliminating mafia alone as common clause, I would have never bought that argument. But he was sure on what it is there and he didn't hesitate. Looking at the way he used it at first attempt, I am not going to change my view. I don't even know what his role or character is, I wasn't ready to do deep dive inside FP vs Rudolph thing that happened earlier and build my case against these 2 utilizing the conflict. My view- he was sure about what he claimed and it is believable to me. It's way better than going by nameless characters.

It is possible, it isn't necessarily the case. But I know for a fact that I'm a generic vanilla townie (A-wing pilot with no name), it is much more likely that @CaptainCremer is telling the truth. If you're a vanilla townie, CaptainCremer, it would become easier if you tell us your character too.

I did say I will not hesitate to lynch Rudolph, but I never claimed that I was 100% sure of what I was saying. Rudolph may very well be town, but I agree with El Loco that you don't seem to be now. Also massive FOS: FP because his huge post analysing the associations between the players doesn't really help much, it just gives the illusion that he's contributing. Again, I don't know anyone's playing style except surendar, El Loco, and swacker, so we'll see.

PresidentEvil can also be a mafia. But we can't really know until he starts posting. @Jack Ryder try replacing him? Maybe with @Simon?

 

[surendar]

It is possible, it isn't necessarily the case. But I know for a fact that I'm a generic vanilla townie (A-wing pilot with no name), it is much more likely that @CaptainCremer is telling the truth. If you're a vanilla townie, CaptainCremer, it would become easier if you tell us your character too.

I am VT as well varun, you are not getting my point - how can you trust those nameless characters? What if someone says B wing pilot? You can come with any nameless characters.

 

[Fake Passport]

Googling their powers, Light and Dark side will be better as the characters are going to created by me.

Emphasis added

I'm a generic vanilla townie (A-wing pilot with no name)

Based on my role this does not ring true for me. I wan't to keep it a little ambiguous, but my role statement would be best characterized as a military-like position based specifically within the base.

FOS Varun[DOUBLEPOST=1500133075][/DOUBLEPOST]^^ What I mean is military like in terms of the position name rather than being a position within the military.

 

[Fake Passport]

Spoiler: More against Rudi

Go for it... I'm really not in a mood for posting senseless defensive posts all day long .... Town can afford to loose one member.

Lynch me then if it's scummy

Lynch me then

the above tactic tends to come into play when one is scum

Go for it, please lynch me

Simon might be able to replace you. I can't help think you have brought this on yourself.

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And just like that you are back on my Mafia, ignore list!!! Well done son ​

Put in a spoiler because you are all probably sick of me going after him - but its even more of a lock for me.

The 'lynch me' argument is about as scummy as you get. Its a play to effectively say 'I give up/dont care'. However when you consider hes shown emotion of caring with what EL said shows that he does care. the fact he has 'moved on' from this debate shows that he does care.

Plus - He hasn't been replaced by Simon and I dont *think* he responded to the quote from CC. Why not? Because its a game and not personal. It lends credibility to those lynch me posts being a ploy. Appeal to emotion like that, try to move the conversation on and hop people forget....

Plus asking JR to investigate something that was wrong for so many reasons. Including the fact that Mafia have had a night to chat, what was said was out in the open anyway etc.




Im calling the game setup as I see it. Gun to head type of read I reckon its
Mafia:
Varun
CaptainCremer
President Evil (I think theres truth to his availability, but hes gone way to long, his availability has caused him to come up with the play - also consider he hasn't been replaced..)
3rd Party Mafia:
Rudolph

3rd Party Town:
Fake Passport

Town:
Asprin
Villain
Surendar
Swacker
MrsPacman
El Loco
Zwarrior