End Game Star Wars Mafia - End Mafia(Surendar) & Third Party (Fake Passport) Won

[surendar]

I know CaptainCremer and I are vanilla townies for a different reason, which is that our characters are nameless.

Win condition was not the reason why I kept iterating on my point - it was the phrase which he confidently used, definitely not expected to be predictable in this closed set up. I have no Star Wars knowledge & I can't predict that phrase in this kind of set up.

Nameless characters are also very helpful for fake claims. Not convincing enough to clear as town. How do you expect us to believe that it wasn't your fake claiming role name? In my last themed game(Silence of the lambs - Mafia's fake claim role was president).

The way, you cleared CC on that basis so confidently & way you guys tried to make advantage of FP vs Rudolph conflict, I see a possible connection between you two.

Lynch : Varun

 

[El Loco]

I can't predict that phrase in this kind of set up.

Can you refer me back to the phrase in question please?

The game has opened up a bit now in an unusual way, which can be advantageous but depends on how every townie views the dynamic of the game right now.
Polarisation is a bit of an issue and a lot has happened since everybody as a whole chipped in with analysis of preceding events so I'd like to sit back just for a while before I make a move, but I'll try to be as decisive as I can.

 

[surendar]

Not really sure why it was tough to spot that out. @El Loco - Was referring this. I don't see any probability of the word Sith to be predicted so easily in closed set up. It was accurate. It could have been eliminate dark side, eliminate evil, eliminate mafia to be common, but "Sith" was accurate.

I got Sith (Mafia) should be eliminated for a win.

"Darth Vader (Anakin Skywalker) was a male human cyborg Sith Master and the third Shadow Hand of Darth Sidious, who first appeared in the Star Wars original trilogy, and later in the prequel trilogy."
Sith - Wikipedia

 

[El Loco]

Not really sure why it was tough to spot that out. @El Loco - Was referring this. I don't see any probability of the word Sith to be predicted so easily in closed set up. It was accurate. It could have been eliminate dark side, eliminate evil, eliminate mafia to be common, but "Sith" was accurate.

Ok, straight off the bat I don't buy that one bit. Feeble reasoning at best. It's perfectly rational to assume that every player in the game is aware of the Sith regardless.
Nevermind if Rudolph's claim itself is believable or not, your reason for trusting it is bizarre. But then you also have the nerve to go and try and poke holes somebody else's reasoning.
There are ways of gauging if players are working in the best interests of the town or not. The extent to which they are willing to concur with other suggestions is one.

FOS: Surendar

 

[MrsPacman]

Open Declaration - Fake Passport is here and telling me how to properly format posts. He is not instructing me on the content of posts.

Have I given the impression that I'm pushing for a lynch? Not that I'm confirming or denying that I am, just wondering why you think so.

Yes - well at least in comparison to others.

MrsPacman (stop with the IRL stuff!)

You told me to read into everything and do what I need to to win. Do not complain now

I'd like to clear that it was out of frustration to see such low activity

And I unreservedly apologize for that to the extent I'm not helping matters.

That was Rudolph's fault, his understanding of the write-up was really confusing. Jack Ryder later told us that there was not clues in the into, so we moved on.

I am not saying you didn't find RUDOLPHs post confusing. That does not require you to write the post you did. That is a logical fallacy.

On Rudi's asking for information, Fake's lynch and Rudis response:
I am not going to comment on, or vote for either of them at least at the moment on my own to avoid the perception of a conflict of interest. If people have specific questions please ask.

I think CaptainCremer is town for reasons that I will clear later on.

Please do. Just the nameless role statement? Can you point to anything that Cremer has said that makes him town?

This is interesting, you seem to know for sure something additional. Where did the number 3 come from? Jobs can be 2 teams as well, why 3?

My error. I was working under the assumption that the good team works in the day and the evil guys the night. The earlier talk of a good team member that can 'block' a evil action validly means jobs could be 2 or 3, you are absolutely right.

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My suggestion is to vote either of CaptainCremer, who seems to be the consensus candidate.
Where is PresidentEvil based? I am trying to work out if his quietness of late matches is stated away time.
Lynch: CaptainCremer

I am around a little more today.

 

[surendar]

@El Loco - Interesting that you find me suspicious because of that. You did not even realize it was regarding that phrase which Rudolph has been pretty much shouting loud all over in last few pages. What was the thing you were referring to pseudo cryptic if every player is aware of that? And FYI, I googled what is Sith after I received my role, I have no star wars knowledge and that's why I find his claim believable.

 

[surendar]

Outside the game - Guys its Friday night for me, I will try to be active over phone but mostly check back in hangover tomorrow. lot of work, it's time for me to chill out!!

 

[El Loco]

@El Loco - Interesting that you find me suspicious because of that. You did not even realize it was regarding that phrase which Rudolph has been pretty much shouting loud all over in last few pages. What was the thing you were referring to pseudo cryptic if every player is aware of that? And FYI, I googled what is Sith after I received my role, I have no star wars knowledge and that's why I find his claim believable.

And there is my point, you were aware that the Sith existed as an entity when you received your role, as was everybody else.
I'm not sure you even know what I was describing when I labelled his posts as 'pseudo cryptic'. I simply thought he was posting a load of gibberish and leaving it up in the air in some sort of attempt at surrounding it with a mystical aura.

I'll put this particular concern to bed right here though because I don't want more needless drivel being added and other players not being able to keep track of what's going on.

 

[CremerCurrans]

Then why is his winning conditions different to mine? I am a straight forward vanilla townie, my vote is my weapon.

Because this is a mafia game, not all of the roles are going to be the same.

Do I sense an alliance between the two of you? You are covering and answering for him....
FOS: CaptainCremer

No, I am trying to work out if you are telling the truth or not.[DOUBLEPOST=1500087173][/DOUBLEPOST]

Not necessarily. Top/frequent posters(in count) in a game can be mafia too.

Yes they can, I was just pointing out that if he is more active the pressure will be taken off him.

 

[CremerCurrans]

@surendar I do not know why you think varun & I are an alliance. I haven't protected him, and he has only recently started to post regularly, which makes it hard to put pressure on him.

I know he announced that he believes I'm definitely town, but that doesn't mean that we are working together.

 

[swacker]

Nameless characters are also very helpful for fake claims. Not convincing enough to clear as town. How do you expect us to believe that it wasn't your fake claiming role name? In my last themed game(Silence of the lambs - Mafia's fake claim role was president).

Are you telling you received a name for your role? I was convinced that CC and Varun are town, based on just that too.

And how sure are you about mafia having nameless characters for fake claim?

 

[Varun]

Okay Surendar is fishy af. I'm sure that the basic town win condition mentions the sith, and it will not be surprising if the mafia win condition goes like "the sith/empire wins on eliminating all the rebels"

Rudolph's apparently 'pseudo-cryptic' claim doesn't prove anything besides that there's a mention of the sith - the major Star Wars antagonist and nearly synonymous with Empire - in his role, much less than he's a vanilla townie or not mafia.However CaptainCremer and I are vanilla townies with generic character names (A-wing pilot etc instead of Luke or Leia).

I'm not really sure what surendar is going on. Rudolph *can* be lying. Even if he's mafia, it's not unlikely that he'd Google Sith up, and post about them in order to act clueless about the game. I've done it multiple times in the past too, it's not a big deal.

Anyway, more than Rudolph, surendar seems like a mafia.[DOUBLEPOST=1500103443][/DOUBLEPOST]

Nameless characters are also very helpful for fake claims. Not convincing enough to clear as town. How do you expect us to believe that it wasn't your fake claiming role name? In my last themed game(Silence of the lambs - Mafia's fake claim role was president).

It was Senator Ruth Martin. I hosted the game...

 

[swacker]

However CaptainCremer and I are vanilla townies with generic character names

What is that suppose to mean?

 

[Varun]

What is that suppose to mean?

My character is A-wing pilot, and not a proper noun like Luke, or Leia, or Han.

 

[swacker]

My character is A-wing pilot, and not a proper noun like Luke, or Leia, or Han.

You claimed that CC has generic character name too, how's that?