Dare
Chairman of Selectors
Dude fliping ODIs, ODIs for flip sakes. Stop bringing in fliping tests and 20/20s read the fliping title or get that ████ translated.
The Greatest ODI Batsman: Tendulkar vs Richards
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Dude fliping ODIs, ODIs for flip sakes. Stop bringing in fliping tests and 20/20s read the fliping title or get that ████ translated.
AkshayS
Chairman of Selectors
See this if you are not a noob.
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SR Tendulkar (India) 1992-2008 4M 7I 4NO 664Runs 241*HS 221.33Ave 3 centuries 1 fifty 0ducks
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SR Tendulkar (India) 1992-2008 4M 7I 4NO 664Runs 241*HS 221.33Ave 3 centuries 1 fifty 0ducks
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Dare
Chairman of Selectors
See this (The Greatest ODI Batsman: Tendulkar vs Richards) if your a noob like this dude.
Or this, http://www.planetcricket.org/forums...-odi-batsman-tendulkar-vs-richards-64699.html.
Bringing tests averages and runs into a ODI debate is like bringing a blind guy to a shootout.
AkshayS
Chairman of Selectors
^there is also a chance that the blind man hits the right area.
Robelinda
International Coach
Ponting did score more runs than Sachin in the last decade, I think he has a case for best ODI batsmen of his era.
Gurjot95
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^ yeah he has but he has played more matches and has less avarage than Sachin. Sachin has the higherst average than any batsman in 2000's decade so it's fair to say he was best batsman in last decade or era.
TumTum
International Cricketer
All we need now is Cricketman to finish this thread off too 
http://www.planetcricket.org/forums...plit-ind-vs-aus-tour-60808-2.html#post1610541
http://www.planetcricket.org/forums...plit-ind-vs-aus-tour-60808-2.html#post1610541
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The top 5 batsmen in ODIs from Jan 1st 2000 till now.
Tendulkar is second to Ponting in runs, centuries and fifties. But that is understandable, as he has played 36 less innings. His average and strike rate are better than Ponting's, and his innings per 100 (9.5) is less than Ponting's too (10.2).
I think that saying Tendulkar was the best ODI batsman of his era is pretty fair. Although he wasn't the standout best batsman as Ponting is a very close second, unlike Viv who was head and shoulders above everyone.
But Ponting apart, no one comes close. No one else has 9000 runs in ODIs in the last decade, and these two have the best average out of the Top 5 (Although Kallis at 6 in terms of runs scored averages 47.71) and the best strike rate barring Jayasuriya.
Infact, taking the top 20 names, only Kallis (47.71), MSD (51.13), Hayden (45.32) and Chanderpaul (44.99) have averages over 44. They are positioned 6th, 20th, 17th and 16th in terms of runs scored respectively.
As for strike rate, only 5 in the top 10 have SRs over 80 in ODIs - Gayle, Yuvi, Jayasuriya and these 2. And Gayle and Yuvi only have 7000 odd runs each, with 17 tons between them, less than either Sachin or Ponting individually.
I was tempted to calculate the innings-per-century ration for every batsman in the top 20 to see if Sachin and Ponting are exceptional there too, but don't really have the time. Maybe someone else could do it.
So if you take Ponting as another freakishly gifted batsman who happened to be in the same era as Sachin (Like Murali with Warne), and compare them to the rest, no one really comes close. Sachin and Ponting are heads and shoulder above everyone else in ODIs in their eras.
And what's more, Sachin has been the best of the two.
So saying that Viv was uncomparable in his era while Sachin was is unfair. Because Sachin was only comparable to one other batsman in his era - Ponting. Excluding him, no one came close.
And for a fun fact, if I take Sachin's 'Era' as the last 15 years, 1st Jan 1995 - present day, you get this breakdown:
Sachin is the leading runscorer, has the best average out of the top 10 and has the third highest strike rate after Gilly and Jayasuriya.
And the inning's per century ratio for each of the top 10:
Sachin - 344/43 = 8
Ponting - 336/29 = 11.59
Jayasuriya - 365/27 = 13.52
Ganguly - 299/22 = 13.59
Dravid - 313/12 = 26.08
Kallis - 284/17 = 16.7
Yousuf - 267/15 = 17.8
Gilly - 279/16 = 17.4
Inzy - 273/7 = 39
Jayawaradene - 24.8
I think that list speaks for itself.
So whether or not you take the innings-per-century ratio into account, Sachin is very easily the best batsman of the last 15 years. His era.
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Hopefully that argument can end now.
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Player Span Mat Inns NO RunsDescending HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
RT Ponting (Aus/ICC) 2000-2010 254 245 25 9687 164 44.03 11463 84.50 24 61 13 914 136 investigate this query
SR Tendulkar (India) 2000-2010 213 209 19 9027 200* 47.51 10526 85.75 22 49 8 1073 74 investigate this query
Mohammad Yousuf (Asia/Pak) 2000-2010 250 239 34 8575 141* 41.82 11387 75.30 13 57 13 697 78 investigate this query
ST Jayasuriya (Asia/SL) 2000-2009 246 242 10 8305 189 35.79 9065 91.61 21 35 20 961 159 investigate this query
KC Sangakkara (Asia/ICC/SL) 2000-2010 267 250 27 8152 138* 36.55 10840 75.20 10 55 9 809 36 investigate this queryThe top 5 batsmen in ODIs from Jan 1st 2000 till now.
Tendulkar is second to Ponting in runs, centuries and fifties. But that is understandable, as he has played 36 less innings. His average and strike rate are better than Ponting's, and his innings per 100 (9.5) is less than Ponting's too (10.2).
I think that saying Tendulkar was the best ODI batsman of his era is pretty fair. Although he wasn't the standout best batsman as Ponting is a very close second, unlike Viv who was head and shoulders above everyone.
But Ponting apart, no one comes close. No one else has 9000 runs in ODIs in the last decade, and these two have the best average out of the Top 5 (Although Kallis at 6 in terms of runs scored averages 47.71) and the best strike rate barring Jayasuriya.
Infact, taking the top 20 names, only Kallis (47.71), MSD (51.13), Hayden (45.32) and Chanderpaul (44.99) have averages over 44. They are positioned 6th, 20th, 17th and 16th in terms of runs scored respectively.
As for strike rate, only 5 in the top 10 have SRs over 80 in ODIs - Gayle, Yuvi, Jayasuriya and these 2. And Gayle and Yuvi only have 7000 odd runs each, with 17 tons between them, less than either Sachin or Ponting individually.
I was tempted to calculate the innings-per-century ration for every batsman in the top 20 to see if Sachin and Ponting are exceptional there too, but don't really have the time. Maybe someone else could do it.
So if you take Ponting as another freakishly gifted batsman who happened to be in the same era as Sachin (Like Murali with Warne), and compare them to the rest, no one really comes close. Sachin and Ponting are heads and shoulder above everyone else in ODIs in their eras.
And what's more, Sachin has been the best of the two.
So saying that Viv was uncomparable in his era while Sachin was is unfair. Because Sachin was only comparable to one other batsman in his era - Ponting. Excluding him, no one came close.
And for a fun fact, if I take Sachin's 'Era' as the last 15 years, 1st Jan 1995 - present day, you get this breakdown:
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Player Span Mat Inns NO RunsDescending HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0
SR Tendulkar (India) 1995-2010 352 344 31 14830 200* 47.38 16913 87.68 43 72 14 investigate this query
RT Ponting (Aus/ICC) 1995-2010 345 336 37 12895 164 43.12 15976 80.71 29 78 19 investigate this query
ST Jayasuriya (Asia/SL) 1995-2009 370 365 16 12267 189 35.14 13140 93.35 27 62 27 investigate this query
SC Ganguly (Asia/India) 1996-2007 310 299 23 11360 183 41.15 15403 73.75 22 72 16 investigate this query
R Dravid (Asia/ICC/India) 1996-2009 339 313 40 10765 153 39.43 15124 71.17 12 82 13 investigate this query
JH Kallis (Afr/ICC/SA) 1996-2010 298 284 52 10613 139 45.74 14657 72.40 17 75 15 investigate this query
Mohammad Yousuf (Asia/Pak) 1998-2010 282 267 40 9624 141* 42.39 12805 75.15 15 64 15 investigate this query
AC Gilchrist (Aus/ICC) 1996-2008 287 279 11 9619 172 35.89 9922 96.94 16 55 19 investigate this query
Inzamam-ul-Haq (Asia/Pak) 1995-2007 299 273 42 9132 123 39.53 12237 74.62 7 64 17 investigate this query
DPMD Jayawardene (Asia/SL) 1998-2010 317 298 30 8702 128 32.47 11293 77.05 12 52 24 investigate this querySachin is the leading runscorer, has the best average out of the top 10 and has the third highest strike rate after Gilly and Jayasuriya.
And the inning's per century ratio for each of the top 10:
Sachin - 344/43 = 8
Ponting - 336/29 = 11.59
Jayasuriya - 365/27 = 13.52
Ganguly - 299/22 = 13.59
Dravid - 313/12 = 26.08
Kallis - 284/17 = 16.7
Yousuf - 267/15 = 17.8
Gilly - 279/16 = 17.4
Inzy - 273/7 = 39
Jayawaradene - 24.8
I think that list speaks for itself.
So whether or not you take the innings-per-century ratio into account, Sachin is very easily the best batsman of the last 15 years. His era.
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Hopefully that argument can end now.
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drainpipe32
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sachingr8 is a fliping biased blow job giver. His input here means nothing, especially if he can't read thread titles right.
I know it's OT, but had to settle the Tendulkar-Ponting thing here.
Ponting- More runs, playing as captain, more hundreds/fifties, number three
Tendulkar- Better average, better strikerate, didn't play in as good a team as Ponting.
I know it's OT, but had to settle the Tendulkar-Ponting thing here.
Ponting- More runs, playing as captain, more hundreds/fifties, number three
Tendulkar- Better average, better strikerate, didn't play in as good a team as Ponting.
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BTW for those interested, most ODI runs 5 year blocks:
From 1 Jan 1975-31 Dec 1979:
1 V.Richards 883 runs @ 73.58
2 G.Turner 717 @ 102.42
3 G.Chappell 679 @ 48.50
Reference:1975-1979
From 1 Jan 1980 - 31 Dec 1984
1 V.Richards 2292 runs @ 49.82
2 D.Haynes 1929 runs @ 35.72
3 A.Border 1885 runs @ 29.00
Reference:1980-1984
From 1 Jan 1985 - 31 Dec 1989
1 D.Haynes 3963 runs @ 48.32
2 J.Miandad 3531 runs @ 49.04
3 V.Richards 3267 runs @ 43.56
Reference:1985-1989
From 1 Jan 1990 - 31 Dec 1994
1 D.Boon 3031 runs @ 39.88
2 D.Jones 3024 runs @ 43.82
3 B.Lara 2896 runs @ 40.22
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5 S.Tendulkar 2768 runs @ 36.42
Reference:1990-1994
From 1 Jan 1995 - 31 Dec 1999
1 S.Tendulkar 5803 runs @ 47.17
2 S.Ganguly 4702 runs @ 42.74
3 M.Waugh 4428 runs @ 42.99
Reference:1995-1999
From 1 Jan 2000 - 31 Dec 2004
1 S.Ganguly 5209 @ 41.34
2 M.Yousuf 5047 @ 41.03
3 S.Tendulkar 4926 @ 48.77
Reference:2000-2004
From 1 Jan 2005 - 31 Dec 2009
1 M.Dhoni 5115 runs @ 51.65
2 R.Ponting 4889 runs @ 45.69
3 K.Sangakkara 4698 runs @ 37.88
..
7 S.Tendulkar 3897 runs @ 44.28
Reference:2005-2009
From 1 Jan 1975-31 Dec 1979:
1 V.Richards 883 runs @ 73.58
2 G.Turner 717 @ 102.42
3 G.Chappell 679 @ 48.50
Reference:1975-1979
From 1 Jan 1980 - 31 Dec 1984
1 V.Richards 2292 runs @ 49.82
2 D.Haynes 1929 runs @ 35.72
3 A.Border 1885 runs @ 29.00
Reference:1980-1984
From 1 Jan 1985 - 31 Dec 1989
1 D.Haynes 3963 runs @ 48.32
2 J.Miandad 3531 runs @ 49.04
3 V.Richards 3267 runs @ 43.56
Reference:1985-1989
From 1 Jan 1990 - 31 Dec 1994
1 D.Boon 3031 runs @ 39.88
2 D.Jones 3024 runs @ 43.82
3 B.Lara 2896 runs @ 40.22
..
5 S.Tendulkar 2768 runs @ 36.42
Reference:1990-1994
From 1 Jan 1995 - 31 Dec 1999
1 S.Tendulkar 5803 runs @ 47.17
2 S.Ganguly 4702 runs @ 42.74
3 M.Waugh 4428 runs @ 42.99
Reference:1995-1999
From 1 Jan 2000 - 31 Dec 2004
1 S.Ganguly 5209 @ 41.34
2 M.Yousuf 5047 @ 41.03
3 S.Tendulkar 4926 @ 48.77
Reference:2000-2004
From 1 Jan 2005 - 31 Dec 2009
1 M.Dhoni 5115 runs @ 51.65
2 R.Ponting 4889 runs @ 45.69
3 K.Sangakkara 4698 runs @ 37.88
..
7 S.Tendulkar 3897 runs @ 44.28
Reference:2005-2009
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drainpipe32
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Top stuff sifter.
TumTum
International Cricketer
Good point.
This poll was always going to be loaded in favour of Tendulkar. He's high profile at the moment, some voters won't have even seen Richards bat and most Asians will vote in kind anyway. So Richards is doing well considering what he is up against
