The ODIs (Various times in September)

Today showed what Buttler can do when he gets the opportunity to play himself in first. Just ironic that it came about because the first 3 wickets were blown away in a hurry.

I don't see how England can still say that they have their tactics right in terms of team make up after today. With another seamer we could have finished Australia off much quicker and no matter how good Root has been recently, he can't buy a run in this series. Should be dropped for the last game, I doubt he will be though. Jordan deserves a go. Harsh on Sussex and Somerset that key bowlers for them are taken away, when England have no desire to even give them a chance.
 
Today showed what Buttler can do when he gets the opportunity to play himself in first. Just ironic that it came about because the first 3 wickets were blown away in a hurry.

I don't see how England can still say that they have their tactics right in terms of team make up after today. With another seamer we could have finished Australia off much quicker and no matter how good Root has been recently, he can't buy a run in this series. Should be dropped for the last game, I doubt he will be though. Jordan deserves a go. Harsh on Sussex and Somerset that key bowlers for them are taken away, when England have no desire to even give them a chance.

Harsh on the other Notts bowlers that Swann and Broad will be swooping back in for the final.

Buttler is an an amazing player: I think it's tough on him to say that he needs time at the wicket. It wasn't so long ago he came in and instantly blew people away in the South Africa T20, and that innings in the NZ ODI required no getting in... He *can* come in and get going: I think he's just had a few poor innings recently.
 
He can come in and do that, because he has a great ability, but if you ask anyone down at Somerset, they'll tell you that he's a decent T20 player, but a great One day player. He's got that ability to not let the situation affect him. Like yesterday, he came in with plenty of time to go and knew that if he batted until the end, then England would win. It's the temperament which is the most impressive thing about him for me.

Obviously he has a high ability to come in and sometimes clear ropes straight away, but it's only going to come off one in five say, because it's so hard. Give him time to get set though (and by that I meant 10-15 balls to just knock singles) and I think he has the ability to get the job done 8 times out of 10. He really is that good and natural at ODI cricket.
 
He can come in and do that, because he has a great ability, but if you ask anyone down at Somerset, they'll tell you that he's a decent T20 player, but a great One day player. He's got that ability to not let the situation affect him. Like yesterday, he came in with plenty of time to go and knew that if he batted until the end, then England would win. It's the temperament which is the most impressive thing about him for me.

Obviously he has a high ability to come in and sometimes clear ropes straight away, but it's only going to come off one in five say, because it's so hard. Give him time to get set though (and by that I meant 10-15 balls to just knock singles) and I think he has the ability to get the job done 8 times out of 10. He really is that good and natural at ODI cricket.

Have to say he's changed my mind this series. I saw him as someone who could bludgeon it for a few overs but didn't think he had it to pace an innings if he had to bat a while. 2 superb knocks in the week though. Must confess I was ignorant of his List A record too (Av. 51.22 as I type).

The development of his keeping this year has also been quite something. If he can bring that on and boost his 1st class numbers a bit (Av. 32 SR 60 HS 144 - which isn't rubbish by any stretch) perhaps a cadidate to replace Prior in the long term?
 
Personally, I'm still not convinced that his keeping is good enough to do the job in the Test side, or really in the ODI side. That said, he has improved so he could get a lot better in that department.

Regarding his First Class batting, this season has been the first one where he's looked decent in that form of the game (Got a good 100 on Sky at the start of the season even I think). He's been really good in One Day cricket and decent in T20s since he played for Somerset full time, with this being his 4th year I think. He's looked poor in the last few years for First class cricket, but like I said, he has been ok this year (Averaging just under 40). He's definitely a guy who is getting better all round really, which is why I rate him so highly in One Day cricket, because he's looked great and seems to be getting better.
 
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Bopara needs to bat with that swagger that he has at the domestic level.
 
Personally, I'm still not convinced that his keeping is good enough to do the job in the Test side, or really in the ODI side. That said, he has improved so he could get a lot better in that department.

Regarding his First Class batting, this season has been the first one where he's looked decent in that form of the game (Got a good 100 on Sky at the start of the season even I think). He's been really good in One Day cricket and decent in T20s since he played for Somerset full time, with this being his 4th year I think. He's looked poor in the last few years for First class cricket, but like I said, he has been ok this year (Averaging just under 40). He's definitely a guy who is getting better all round really, which is why I rate him so highly in One Day cricket, because he's looked great and seems to be getting better.

I agree he's not there right now. But the improvement in his glovework over a relatively short period suggests someone who is prepared to work hard at his game.

The aspect of Butler's game that has always impressed me is how straight he tends to hit, ramps aside. I don't recall seeing him get all bottom hand across the line a la Bairstow which suggests a decent technique. I haven't seen any of him in FC so I can't comment on his defence but it will be interesting to see his progress.
 
I think defence has been his one issue. Well, that and the fact that he tends to push hard at the spinners, meaning he can get caught in the covers a bit. In terms of playing pace though, he does play well down the ground, but also hits a cracking cover drive. He just seems the sort of player who can clear the ropes so easily that he doesn't need to worry about hoicking it to leg, or trying to squirt it behind square on the off side, in order to up the tempo of his innings.
 
Gah. All that talk of how well he plays straight and he gets castled by Mike Kripke Faulkner. Take some winning from here...
 
Bopara and Buttler were looking good, but the problem is one mistake and it's all over with a required run rate that big. Be interesting to see what our strongest side is, whenever in the future that we actually play them together that is.
 
I like how certain back-up players looked for ENG during this series, which was essentially an experimental ODI series.

I personally was waiting to see how Stokes bowling would fare @ international level after watching him on skysports for his county this year.

He is the all-rounder ENG have been looking for post Flintoff, not Woakes, Bresnan or Rikki Clarke. His batting was never in question for me, but his bowling can clearly cut it at international level bowling in the high 80 mph range.

The idea of KP opening term is also pretty tempting. Fact is sometimes the ODI top 3 of Cook/Bell/Trott although they bat well, lack a true classy hitter in the power play overs.

Nice to Carberry & Jordan play together, thought i'd never see two black players play for England much less one anytime soon given how things are in England with most modern Afro heritage people all for football.

Think Hales has been unlucky not to get a look in during the ODI team, hope the selectors have not pigeon holed him as a T20 specialist, since long-term he can be the best ODI opener since Trescothick.
 
I'd love to see Hales getting a go. Certainly has done well in his T20 games to suggest that he has the ability to make the grade in ODIs. As I said before though, with Cook, Bell and KP all wanting to bat there, those spots are blocked for any potential players to come into. I mean sure, Carberry got a go in this series, but he was never going to be picked for the next series, unless he was spectacular. Shame really, as the likes of Hales are talented and ready.

I'd much rather see Carberry in that T20 side too. Lumb is just a hacker for me, Carberry oozes class.
 
Thought England A did a decent job. Top order never fired though. Mind you Aus very reliant on Clarke/Watson.
 
Conceded too many runs as the management were too stubborn. No good having that theoretical extra batting when you've left yourself too much to do.

Tredwell, Root and Bopara conceded 150/1 off 20 overs, you ain't gonna win many games when you concede like that. From 48/3 we let the aussies get away, wickets win you ODIs as much as runs, not "bowling tidily" or "tightly"

10 overs : AUS 48/3
30 overs : AUS 202/3

No wickets, 154 runs at 7.52 runs per over, zero control. Make that a more reasonable 110 runs for say 1 wicket and the aussies are much more beatable. Lessons learned will be none.

Buttler again scored some runs in support of Bopara, but as I must stress until he scores them in a variety of scenarios and not just ones tailored to him then he's proven nothing - yet. Another "nothing to lose scenario", that's two out of three. And again, as if I should need to, I stress I would not blame him for us losing, I have no "agenda" or "hate" or anything, just pointing out that he's making most of one scenario which he won't always get (to come in at). He still needs to get runs in a variety of situations (not every time obviously). I think he's in box seat for the time being, not convinced he's the best keeper solution but then batting slots are precious and some batsmen are "undroppable"


Sorry to have to dumb it down (apology aimed at most posters), some/one will just twist words if I don't try and make it untwistable :rolleyes No doubt one person will reply, please don't bother I get your angle/bias/agenda and don't agree so replying with it won't change that and I won't probably even read it, this series is done.

It was a second string, but that shouldn't really matter as the first string are hardly world beaters. We still wouldn't solve the biggest issue of the 4th/5th bowler and attempt to bowl through Bopara or make do.

Both matches we lost came about because of heavy scoring off the 4th and 5th bowlers, 150/1 off 20 in this match (Root/Bopara/Tredwell) and 139/1 off 20 in the other loss (Stokes/Tredwell/Root) Noone would want that off the first 20 overs let alone not from the off, until England address their tactical/selection issues it won't matter who else is selected outside of this 4th/5th bowler issue.

As I've said before, Bopara can be handy, but he's not really suited to bowling 10 overs every match so should really be the 6th option. We won the 4th match by doing enough early damage that the aussies couldn't recover, we can't rely on that - especially not in one-off knockout games in the World Cup.

I'm unconvinced by Carberry either, I wonder if he will be picked for the Ashes tour or if someone like Hales will get a chance. Despite reputation his SR for England is a paltry 62.79 and average only 21.60, at nearly 33 I am still annoyed more than surprised at his selection - surprise at what selectors do went out the window years ago.

I thought we'd got over scattergun selection approaches, but still we go from selecting Childs, Mallender, Newport, Stephenson, Igglesden, Neil Williams, Blakey, Curtis, Chris Cowdrey, Paul Taylor and Reeve, to Min Patel, McCague, Lathwell, Ilott, Hamilton, Adams, Simon Brown, Maddy, Mike Smith, and that lot, then Ormond, Hegg, Foster, Udal, Habib, Nixon, Franks, Ed Smith, Saggers, Giddins, Ward, Grayson, Batty, and Afzaal, and these latter days the likes of Carberry, Shazhad, Pattinson and Compton

It's not necessarily they were wrong to select them initially, some not all, but then to just discard them quickly or them have limited shelf life anyway. They may not be grouped perfectly, and it seems we are less prone than in the past, but it still happens. Some I can't include simply because England persist with them longer because they want them to work, the likes of Shight, Woakes, Dernbach, Patel and Yardy, Kieswetter opening the innings, and others, not so much a great selection as a persistence through stubbornly refusing to see it isn't working

It still pains me that we didn't select Bicknell again after a disappointing debut until he was in the twilight of his career. But for the fact that the present is ongoing, I could maybe add some more names like Borthwick, Briggs, Ballance, Jordan, Meaker, Kerrigan and James Taylor, who knows how many times they will play from now.

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I personally was waiting to see how Stokes bowling would fare @ international level after watching him on skysports for his county this year.

He is the all-rounder ENG have been looking for post Flintoff, not Woakes, Bresnan or Rikki Clarke. His batting was never in question for me, but his bowling can clearly cut it at international level bowling in the high 80 mph range.

I'm wary of him as an all-rounder, not sure he can be more than the 4th bowler but saying that back when he played before I thought he was our most likely new all-rounder and a far better option than hoping to get through overs with players like Bopara and Root

The idea of KP opening term is also pretty tempting. Fact is sometimes the ODI top 3 of Cook/Bell/Trott although they bat well, lack a true classy hitter in the power play overs.

It isn't about ability, all of them are capable of hitting and attacking, they just seem to settle into coasting mode. It is about mentality. I'd keep KP away from the new ball, I wouldn't expose the bigger hitter early on but just encourage those who are better opening to take more risks than they do.

I mean if you subscribe to pinch hitting, I guess KP is the wham, bam, thank you mam kind of batsman you'd want in there, but I think you also need to consider the need to not lose too many wickets in the quest for a big start which might gain you an extra 10-20 runs early doors, but you lose momentum later on. If KP were in the middle order then those middle, or "muddle", overs could be a lot more energetic and perhaps we might make better use of that odious latter powerplay
 
I personally was waiting to see how Stokes bowling would fare @ international level after watching him on skysports for his county this year.

He is the all-rounder ENG have been looking for post Flintoff, not Woakes, Bresnan or Rikki Clarke. His batting was never in question for me, but his bowling can clearly cut it at international level bowling in the high 80 mph range.

Stokes has got potential to be better, but for now I'd be happy if England keep selecting him - and I say that as an Aussie fan :D
I was amused when they mentioned the last 5 wicket haul for England was Chris Woakes vs Australia on the last tour, because Stokes' 5-fer reminded me of it. In my view this was was 5 decent/lucky balls and 55 pretty unthreatening ones, just like Woakes 6-fer was the last time. Stokes seems like a bowler who's going to go for 50+ runs every time, it's just a matter of whether the batsmen fall into the trap of being too aggressive against him and give him some cheap wickets.

Also thought Jordan was a bit similar, a very hittable bowler. He'll surprise some batsmen with pace and skid, but I wasn't particularly impressed. Although if he can take out those half dozen wides he bowled it will be a good start. Rankin has been the best Irish bowler, while the myth of Tredwell potentially being England's best ODI spinner is well on the way to being busted.
 

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