The ODIs (Various times in September)

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Also thought Jordan was a bit similar, a very hittable bowler. He'll surprise some batsmen with pace and skid, but I wasn't particularly impressed. Although if he can take out those half dozen wides he bowled it will be a good start. Rankin has been the best Irish bowler, while the myth of Tredwell potentially being England's best ODI spinner is well on the way to being busted.

Hopefully other teams now take notice and go after him as well. Its astonishing when you look at how good his ODI record is for such an extremely average bowler. Its one of the reasons I find it hard to follow one day cricket these days, bowlers like him would be pretty much useless in test cricket.

 

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I'm wary of him as an all-rounder, not sure he can be more than the 4th bowler but saying that back when he played before I thought he was our most likely new all-rounder and a far better option than hoping to get through overs with players like Bopara and Root

Ye basically, he is pretty much still a 4th bowler as Flintoff was at the start of his career, ENG got away with murder playing him as a 3rd seamer.

Stokes has got potential to be better, but for now I'd be happy if England keep selecting him - and I say that as an Aussie fan
I was amused when they mentioned the last 5 wicket haul for England was Chris Woakes vs Australia on the last tour, because Stokes' 5-fer reminded me of it. In my view this was was 5 decent/lucky balls and 55 pretty unthreatening ones, just like Woakes 6-fer was the last time. Stokes seems like a bowler who's going to go for 50+ runs every time, it's just a matter of whether the batsmen fall into the trap of being too aggressive against him and give him some cheap wickets.

Ha well yes, actually Stokes 5 for does bring back much similarities to Woakes 5 for in AUS a few years back.

However IMO Stokes showed far more potential as a bowler an all-rounder going forward. I never was convinced about Woakes & i reckon the ENG selectors were pushing him too much in their search to find the "new flintoff". I'm still amazed he played in the 5th Ashes test.

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I'd much rather see Carberry in that T20 side too. Lumb is just a hacker for me, Carberry oozes class.

Haa a bit harsh on Lumb that, although i too would like to see more of Carberry at international level in some format.