Irony is the changes Hughes has made to his game since being dropped in the Ashes has brought about a bigger weakness against the short stuff. I watched again the way he got out in the 09 Ashes series and none of them have been like how he has been getting out recently. In the first test he cut at one too close to him then the second test he got a glove down legside and a forward defence edge to slip. While he might have looked weak against the short ball he never really got out to it (all batsmen have been gloved down leg side). Now he's getting out every innings in the same fashion.
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Of course. Darren was always about 8th best bowler for Victoria. He wasn't that great and he knew he wasn't that great. He even admitted that he jumped at the chance to play for England because he knew he'd never get the opportunity to play for Australia.
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Also the problem with NZ dropping guys like McCullum and Guptill, is that they've got nobody else to come into the team. All their top performing domestic players are all tried, tested and failed. They have to stick with those guys because they're the best they've got.
Same as Adams and Marshall, they all went overseas because they got tweaked over by NZC.
Re Southee/Bracewell that was Southee's worst match in a while, hence why he's still ahead of Bracewell imo. He (Southee) definitely needs to stand up in Hobart though, because he's got enough experience to start producing more consistent performances.
I'd definitely be giving McCullum the gloves after that dropped catch, even though it didn't mean anything. Give him the option to either wicket-keep, or fearsome tweak off.
riz7khan12
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Pretty rash reaction, McCullum has done pretty well opening the batting and his fielding without the gloves has been outstanding too. one bad match doesn't warrant a change in things. although the australian commentators would say otherwise.
hopefully we put up a better fight in hobart, the aussie side will be more or less the same so we still have a chance.
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I'd have to agree tbh, I mean if he played for any other country in the top 5 they would've told him to fearsome tweak off by now and go play twenty20. Sure he has done ok opening but he always seems to fail at the times when you need him most. I've never been a fan of his but had enough of him after the world cup.
Also lol at Guptill being in the form of his life (supposedly) scoring tons against Zimbabwe, comes up against an actual bowling attack and he looks like a tailender out there. Like you said earlier, we could really use a guy like Andre Adams right now. NZC really stuffed that up big time, I have no doubts he could have taken 100+ test wickets for NZ.
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Selectors place Dan Christian on standby for the second test match.
http://cricket.com.au/news-display/Christian-on-standby/26258
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Pretty pathetic by our bunch really.
Outside of Brownlee, Vettori and Bracewell, they all looked pretty awful, It was just the same old, same old thoughtless batting, none of them seem to have a plan on how to bat besides Brownlee, who really is a class above the rest of our batsman.
Outside of Brownlee, Vettori and Bracewell, they all looked pretty awful, It was just the same old, same old thoughtless batting, none of them seem to have a plan on how to bat besides Brownlee, who really is a class above the rest of our batsman.
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Have been thinking about the public hype around Lee (7/78 vs India on debut), Tait (65 wkts at 20.2 in the 04/05 Shield), Johnson ("once in a generation") etcetera when they first came into the public eye and did well. Contrast that with Warne and McGrath, who both had rubbish returns when they started out.
Of course, that doesn't mean Cummins, Pattinson and Lyon are doomed to mediocrity, but it does put their achievements in perspective. Specifically: there seems to be zero correlation between performances on debut and/or hype in the Australian media and a player's long term success. It's also a roundabout way of saying I'm not convinced Starc is destined for the scrap heap, despite being sub par at the Gabba. Obviously a lot of work to be done there, though, don't get me wrong. But he still has all the tools to be a very good bowler, he just needs to put them together better.
Of course, that doesn't mean Cummins, Pattinson and Lyon are doomed to mediocrity, but it does put their achievements in perspective. Specifically: there seems to be zero correlation between performances on debut and/or hype in the Australian media and a player's long term success. It's also a roundabout way of saying I'm not convinced Starc is destined for the scrap heap, despite being sub par at the Gabba. Obviously a lot of work to be done there, though, don't get me wrong. But he still has all the tools to be a very good bowler, he just needs to put them together better.
Since he's moved up to open the batting we've versed India on state highway one, Pakistan (he only scored one 50 in four innings against them), and Zimbabwe. So this has been his first real test opening the batting, and bar a few slogs against two nervy debutantes early on, he failed badly. It would dramatically increase the balance of our team if he kept, because it would mean we would no longer need to play Young in a position that should be occupied by an extra bowler or batsman.
If you look at his career averages they drop dramatically against the teams that over the last five or so years have had the best bowling attacks; Australia, South Africa, and Sri Lanka. While his averages Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, and India are the highest, and they happen to be the teams that have had the weakest bowling attacks over the last five or so years.
I'd gladly be proven wrong in Hobart, but he's not a test match opener, and if he wasn't bigger than the game like he thinks he is the coach/selectors should be doing something about it as we speak. At a guess they'll be out drinking now though.
He bowled alright at the start with the new ball, but with the old ball he was all over the place, and he didn't even create many opportunities that I can remember. Like there were no dropped catches off him, and I can't even remember any close LBW shouts he had.
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Guptill's the same as McCullum. He averages 245 against Bangladesh and 55 against Zimbabwe, but he averages under 30 against the four top eight teams he's played.
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The thing is, would the opening batsman that would replace McCullum be any better than Young? I would say not significantly so. And I would think McCullum wouldn't bat as well as he has down the order and while keeping as well. That's my opinion.
Southee didn't create too many chances per se but if I remember he made them play and miss quite a bit.
Southee didn't create too many chances per se but if I remember he made them play and miss quite a bit.
Well an opening batsman needs to have the ability to occupy the crease, which McCullum doesn't have against quality teams. And I think his cameos would be more effective down the order than they are up the top. Put him up the order against BNG and ZIM, but I just can't see him being successful up there against a new ball and a quality attack.
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