Trans-Tasman Trophy (NZ in Australia), December 2011/12
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Well tbh I can't see Boult playing in the first test, but if he does I think it's more likely that it'll be at the expense of Bracewell rather than Martin.
If we lose the first test, then I think it's likely that Boult will come in for the pace bowler who performs the worst in the first test.
Obviously there's pros and cons both ways in the Martin debate, but I think you've got to have a pace bowler who's been there and done that. Remember that Southee averages 43 in tests, so it has the potential to get ugly for New Zealand if you chuck him in with two pretty much debutant's and nothing's happening for Vettori.
If we lose the first test, then I think it's likely that Boult will come in for the pace bowler who performs the worst in the first test.
Obviously there's pros and cons both ways in the Martin debate, but I think you've got to have a pace bowler who's been there and done that. Remember that Southee averages 43 in tests, so it has the potential to get ugly for New Zealand if you chuck him in with two pretty much debutant's and nothing's happening for Vettori.
Warner's doomed dash to South Africa could end with Australia A nod
At least Warner won't miss the A match then. Will be interesting seeing who they pick in the bowling front as that is our strongest department atm with so many guys putting their hands up. Batting hasn't been quite as strong so alot will be picked on rep and potential.
Going by form and players that would be in contention for the Aussie side in the future
Maddinson
Warner
Cooper
Forrest
Smith (Pretty sure he's a lock but if not he will be if he makes runs)
Wade
Henriques (Will be no question on this one if he makes runs today)
Butterworth
SOK
Cutting
Pattinson
At least Warner won't miss the A match then. Will be interesting seeing who they pick in the bowling front as that is our strongest department atm with so many guys putting their hands up. Batting hasn't been quite as strong so alot will be picked on rep and potential.
Going by form and players that would be in contention for the Aussie side in the future
Maddinson
Warner
Cooper
Forrest
Smith (Pretty sure he's a lock but if not he will be if he makes runs)
Wade
Henriques (Will be no question on this one if he makes runs today)
Butterworth
SOK
Cutting
Pattinson
George Bailey
David Warner (vice-captain)
Michael Beer
Tom Cooper
Ed Cowan
Ben Cutting
Ben Hilfenhaus
Nic Maddinson
James Pattinson
Steve Smith
Mitchell Starc
Matthew Wade
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Cowan is a strange one, pretty average last season and even worse this season. Seems they are sticking with the spin cycle mess from the previous selectors.
David Warner (vice-captain)
Michael Beer
Tom Cooper
Ed Cowan
Ben Cutting
Ben Hilfenhaus
Nic Maddinson
James Pattinson
Steve Smith
Mitchell Starc
Matthew Wade
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Cowan is a strange one, pretty average last season and even worse this season. Seems they are sticking with the spin cycle mess from the previous selectors.
Well I think Bailey's in even worse form, at least Cowan got a good score the other day. And it can't be too bad a selection they picked 7 of the guys I had for my XI - that's pretty good these days 
I'd like to have seen Copeland get a spot in there ahead of Starc, but anyway...yeah, it's only Cowan and Bailey I'd question and there isn't too many others standing up with their class. Voges was one, but he's injured now while Dave Hussey (and Simon Katich...) is probably past his chance of making the Test side.
I'd like to have seen Copeland get a spot in there ahead of Starc, but anyway...yeah, it's only Cowan and Bailey I'd question and there isn't too many others standing up with their class. Voges was one, but he's injured now while Dave Hussey (and Simon Katich...) is probably past his chance of making the Test side.
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O'Keefe and Ferguson/Cosgrove should be in ahead of Cowan and Beer.
Regardless of current form, cant say that Cowan is seriously seen as a future AUS test bat, but Fergie and C'Grove certainly are.
Plus why is the new panel also ignoring Bollinger for the longer format?. This is getting beyond ridiculous now, with Harris injury woes Doug is the be best spearhead (although he should have been right now)
Regardless of current form, cant say that Cowan is seriously seen as a future AUS test bat, but Fergie and C'Grove certainly are.
Plus why is the new panel also ignoring Bollinger for the longer format?. This is getting beyond ridiculous now, with Harris injury woes Doug is the be best spearhead (although he should have been right now)
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Never say never my friend
I think it may have been War who messaged me a few months back about the possibility of playing Vettori at six and going in with five bowlers with New Zealand struggling to take 20 wickets. I think my words were somewhere along the lines of "only if Doug Bracewell or Todd Astle make the test team would I been in favour of that, and that isn't going to happen anytime soon" Three months later and Doug Bracewell is making his test debut, what do I know right?
Bracewell's good enough to bat at eight (I mean he does average over 20 in FC cricket and has opened for CD in one day cricket) and Southee's more than good enough to bat at nine. I'd love to see it, this is probably the best top five New Zealand have had in a good seven or eight years at least.
How does Bollinger deserve to be in the team, let alone spearhead? There is an abundance of pace bowlers performing significantly better than him at the moment. Interestingly enough, when you take away Bollinger's statistics against Pakistan, New Zealand and the West Indies (the same teams you used to discredit Hauritz' performance when he was in the team), Bollinger averages 42.75 with the ball. Perform the same analysis for Hauritz, he averages 41.07.
^And Hilfenhaus has better returns than Doug this season, so if anyone's coming back it's him. I personally don't see the Bollinger hype, he's a Siddle level bowler in my eyes. If he got consistent movement back into the lefties, then yes he might be something special, but 95% of the time I've seen him bowl he hasn't (marginally better than Johnson's 99% of the time )
Cutting is in the squad!! Where are you looking?
Ah I see why it was, cricinfo hadn't put the scores from the last game up yet. He was averaging 33 after 3 shield games, but that last game helped
I stand corrected.
)Cutting is in the squad!! Where are you looking?
Ah I see why it was, cricinfo hadn't put the scores from the last game up yet. He was averaging 33 after 3 shield games, but that last game helped
I stand corrected.South Africa v Australia, 2nd Test: Shane Watson in doubt for first Test against New Zealand | Cricket News | South Africa v Australia | ESPN Cricinfo
If Marsh is still out then step on up Dave Warner. If that does happen we need to pick our best bowlers as Watson won't be there to carry any bowlers.
If Marsh is still out then step on up Dave Warner. If that does happen we need to pick our best bowlers as Watson won't be there to carry any bowlers.
^Well you'd hope we were picking our best bowlers now...
And Watson's injury might just be the thing that gives Ricky Ponting an extra couple of Tests. Warner is an obvious replacement, but if he takes Watson's spot there isn't a guy quite so obvious who would take Ricky's. Maybe if someone did really well in the A game and the new panel were very keen to get rid of Ricky.
Steve Smith might be an outside chance if he bowls well, then Australia plays 4 quicks at Brisbane, plus Smith to replace Watson as the all-rounder. I'd only think about doing that if Wade came in for Haddin though as it would be too weak a batting lineup otherwise with Haddin and Smith at 6/7. 4 quicks might also let the selectors keep Johnson in there without feeling too guilty: Cummins, Johnson, Copeland and Siddle/Cutting/Hilf.
And Watson's injury might just be the thing that gives Ricky Ponting an extra couple of Tests. Warner is an obvious replacement, but if he takes Watson's spot there isn't a guy quite so obvious who would take Ricky's. Maybe if someone did really well in the A game and the new panel were very keen to get rid of Ricky.
Steve Smith might be an outside chance if he bowls well, then Australia plays 4 quicks at Brisbane, plus Smith to replace Watson as the all-rounder. I'd only think about doing that if Wade came in for Haddin though as it would be too weak a batting lineup otherwise with Haddin and Smith at 6/7. 4 quicks might also let the selectors keep Johnson in there without feeling too guilty: Cummins, Johnson, Copeland and Siddle/Cutting/Hilf.
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