Classic Mafia 2 - Game abandoned

[puddleduck]

Which isn't to say I don't have serious doubts about you, more to say that with other people posting some of their feelings on the matter I will be in a far better position to put your comments so far into some sort of context.

For example, if we assume that all three of us are indeed Town. Then it means two of MaD, Adi and User are mafia. That essentially means the mafia have barely posted and are just leaving you to accuse a fellow town before they decide to act.

Or perhaps you are mafia, and me and 20-20 are town. That would imply one of those 3 are mafia and I would therefore like to hear what they have to say. Likewise if I am mafia, then from your point of view you are accomplishing nothing by throwing yourself against my textual brick wall because whoever else is mafia has still to get involved in any meaningful way. It becomes quickly apparent that trying to use any form of logic at the moment is pointless though since with half the game not having contributed anything of note during this period we could still feasibly be building up our suspicions on each other whilst all being town.

By all means, I may yet have far more to accuse you of, and I may need to truly defend myself, but for now I think you're being fairly rash, and I see no need to jump to my own defence yet. In fact, I would suggest I have in fact contributed more to the towns side of the debate than you have thus far.

In fact, I have provided some pieces of opinion on potential plans and moves that we could make as the town and your only responses have been to refer to my more jovial comments. You have ignored all my serious posts, what are your thoughts on them?

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You can take all the kudos for picking me as mafia, providing you change your staff member text to "unwise" when you turn out to be completely wrong

 

[Sedition]

Some things are better left for the mafia to figure out themselves, but as for the plan today, no-lynch is only a last resort if none of the other three show activity.

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And yeah I'm getting nowhere right now, my initial reasons have made me view all your posts in a biased fashion

I think we should lynch if the others have strong suspicions though and only no-lynch if we don't hear from them at all. I'm getting impatient I guess, but there's still 36 or so hours left :|

 

[puddleduck]

Don't worry dude, I felt exactly the same in the last game at times. Kind of get caught up in the moments anyone posts because those might be the only moments you get a chance to ask the things you want to ask. I think I sealed my own death warrant somewhat, so I'm trying not to this time

 

[Sedition]

We have a guest viewing the thread

FOS: Mad

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Checked out Mad's previous posts through his profile, and he's generally active between now (10:30am AEST) and the evening. All his posts have been for the mafia games too, so I'm expecting him to show up sometime soon.

Interesting that he's the only one playing that viewed my profile recently, looking for the doc perhaps?

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Hmm Mad has been busy checking out everyone's profile. User and Sim being the only ones he hasn't shown up on, but others may have pushed him off User's and he got rid of Sim already

 

[puddleduck]

Yeah this is normally MaD's posting time and onwards. I am interested to get his and Users take on all this, if only because they played the last one as well. I have no idea about Adi, but I would have hoped he might have chipped in with something as well.

 

[puddleduck]

As I currently see things. Either the two mafia have been deliberately quiet, biding their time and trying to figure out who to target, in which case we know they are two from the three of Adi, User, MaD. Or they are already involved (which considering the speed with which they dealt with their first night target seems to suggest that could also be a likelihood) in which case it is one of me, Sedition, and 20-20.

I certainly think that if they remain silent for too long then they need lynching. I certainly worry that they are waiting for some lynch's to be put in place for a potential hammer, but then I guess if they did that it could be fairly obvious who they are.

So further thinking then tells me that if the mafia are smart, then one of them is already in the game amongst the three people currently posting, whilst one of them is in the silent trio. I am fairly confused, because we have so far still had no comment from half the bleedin' game

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The fact that they may be scared to incriminate themselves for now would certainly open up a no lynch possibility for this day, which as I have suggested, could still work out very well for town.

 

[Sedition]

I don't think the other three have been deliberately quiet. Both mafia could definitely be amongst them, but since we were active during an hour that doesn't suit any of them as far as I'm aware, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they haven't seen any of this chatter.

We've provided them with a fair bit to analyse though and if we're both town, the mafia would be pretty happy just to lurk and stay quiet.

The no-lynch isn't a bad result for us, so it's a good last resort to have. In the last game, the guy who looked like getting lynched on day 1 was Zhuorb though, so while it does give a better chance of nailing the mafia on day 2, it gave Zhuorb time to allude everyone.

When the other half of the game post, I might be too confused though, so we'll see

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*elude

Really want to edit that

 

[ved_]

I would quite like Zhu to answer my question. Is this like Hedgers game where the mafia can not communicate during the day, or is this like the other ones I've seen where they can and as such are probably more likely to show sign of working together?

The mafia ain't allowed doing anything of that sort. Also, this game suffers from a lot of inactivity, even though its Day 1. You guys have only 30 hours more left in the day, make some use of it. This type of setup does not require too much of discussion.

 

[puddleduck]

Cheers Zhu

Also, people, heed his words. Any more inactivity I'm just gonna pick a name out of a hat from the three people that haven't posted yet and lynch them

 

[Sedition]

I'm leaning towards Aditya of the three missing in action. I don't think he's the doc and he "logged off" just after our initial accusations against each other. Seems to have been around often enough to do the hit and then not offer up much other than don't feel bad chap to Sim.

 

[puddleduck]

Yeah I'm with you sod it.

FOS: Aditya Potential to lynch as well if anyone else has anything to say.

 

[MaD]

Do you not sleep Sedition?

Yeah I don't get much time to post since I gotta go school most of the day, and have exams as well this week.

Good activity at the moment, seems like PD and Sedition are both against one another, tbh I'm not sure which one to go for atm, but I'm defs not lynching one of you today unless we get a cop claim or somethin because you're both really active...

I have a feeling I know who the doc is, though can't be sure.

2020pro's play is kinda dodgy although he's openly admitted that he doesn't wanna be active, and is just gonna sit back and observe. That's usually a mafia tactic so I'm thinking maybe because its his first game, he's come out and admitted it openly?

Ofcourse we need more from User and Aditya but it's probably because they haven't come online since the discussion started rollin'.

(P.S - Pretty sure I've played the most mafia games on PC, so I'm living proof that a higher number of games doesn't mean greater skill)

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wtf! I just posted, and more posts came up, some how I missed those posts...

I wasn't online at 10 30? I was at school... I'm never from around 9-10pm to 4pm the next day unless its a weekend

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And yes I admit it, I have viewed everyone's profile, which why I have a feeling I know who the doc is...
Stop profile stalking Sedition

 

[puddleduck]

So from an outside perspective (as in not two guys with only escalating paranoia and each other for company) your read is that we both seem like town? Or that you have your suspicions?

As someone who has played a lot then MaD (albeit with an overwhelming sense of modesty haha) how sound was my theorising? I don't obviously want to cock this up for town by bandwaggoning some terrible idea. Essentially though, if whoever the cop is were to consider claiming, it would surely be assumed that they would be able to investigate tonight at least with impunity if the doctor does his job? Because even though it is good if the mafia are stabbing in the dark so to speak (yes, excellent punning heh) would it not be better if we knew that they were unable to remove the cop before they find the doctor? I realise the weakness of this plan is that if the mafia hit the doctor, they get the cop next?

Still trying to learn this game as I go really

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As you say MaD, I think Zhu kind of dumped the doctor in it a little bit by implying that he was specifically waiting on the doctor and that the doctor hadn't fulfilled their role. I would suggest in future such communication like that is kept private between the doctor and the organiser? This all said, it's not worth jumping to conclusions, and maybe a clever doctor is actually hiding behind the inactivity of a townie?

 

[Sedition]

I'll be having an early one tonight, so probably won't hear much from me for awhile. Kind of annoying since the others should get active and I might not get the chance to interrogate them.

Your timing is fairly consistent Mad, so I'm not too suspicious of you yet.. well done I did expect you to check in earlier, but if you have exams it fits.

The extra posts that came up after you posted were probably the second page

I see User is around now too.

 

[MaD]

It's a pretty good idea I guess but lets try to get all the variables.

Night 0 - sim dies - 6 alive
Day 1 - no lynch (unless cop got a mafia results in which case I reckon he should claim)
Night 1 - Either doc or 1 of 2 villagers dies - 5 alive
Day 2 - We have 2 of the cops searches with 5 alive, 1 being the cop, leaving 4 people to narrow down and we get a definite mafia since the cop knows the identity of 2 people (as long as one of those people did not die night 1 and he did not investigate sim night 0) - 4 alive
Night 2 - cop dies unless mafia did not get the doc on night 1 - 3 alive
Day 3 - 3 alive with the town knowing who the mafia is?

So ideal situation:

0sim dies
1no lynch, cop claims
1villager dies
2We know the identity of 2 people with 5 alive, 1 being the cop so we know who both the mafia are
2doc dies
3we win since we know the mafia
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There's way more variables and I don't have time right now since I really need to study for freakin Phys and Engineering Studies (even though its yr 11 lol)

Also, I'm not sure on either of you, for all I know it could be a plot by you two and you're both mafia..