Dec 3-7: 2nd Test: Australia v England at the Adelaide Oval
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pcfan123
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Nah you are right, declare now. Especially if rain is forecast for the next few days. Why risk anything, even if the Aussies return 400, it'll be draw or a quick 100 in 2 sessions at worse
angryangy
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Haven't had a good coach witch hunt in a while tbh...
Strauss should declare, but maybe even should have declared when the lead was just the 200. I really wouldn't be surprised if he still wants to bat.
midgetwars
Club Captain
I guess the Nine Website and cricket australia site's match lookout don't include rain?? C'mon 0% DRAW??
Unbelievable to see Australia play this bad at home also. Am I dreaming or what? They have plunged to unbelievable depths of lows. If England dont win this Ashes, it would be a miracle.
Yeah I never though I'd see the day when I would watch Australians..field like Indians
Don't let that ever happen to SA. I grew up idolizing fielding of these two teams.
midgetwars
Club Captain
Siddle, North, Doherty Are a joke
Clarke Batting above Hussey is a joke (move him down)
Selectors choosing doherty over a failed spinner in India is a joke
That's about it... Ponting should and Can redeem himself
Clarke Batting above Hussey is a joke (move him down)
Selectors choosing doherty over a failed spinner in India is a joke
That's about it... Ponting should and Can redeem himself
Hopefully Strauss won't be as cautious as Michael Yawn always was, makes me both laugh and mad listening to the latter prattle on on sports extra about positivity and Ponting's captaincy, and his incessant efforts to be 'cool' by using phrases such as 'bang bang bang' when talking about what Broad can do just prove he's on a par with Knickerless as cricket's most annoying and stupid and glib.
England bat on too long and they just improve the aussies' chances of a draw, I think the aussies will score 300+ 2nd innings, but England need to take 10 wickets and keep one eye on the weather - although they should have already had updates before the day's play and batted accordingly. They need to get the very best weather report possible and judge the declaration on that, but at most I'd have a thorough thrash first thing for up to an hour just to improve the chances of only having to bat once and to allow more attacking fields. If they attempt to bat the aussies out of the game they'll just use up time, I've seen England before get stuck in a plan and be too inflexible.
Was it under Vaughan where England were so busy play runs vs time equations that they were like 300, 400 or even 500 in front and time wasting? Could have been England vs India at Lords in 2007. *goes off to check*
England vs India (Lords, 2007)
England 1st Inns 298
India 1st Inns 201
THEN
England were 251/5 after 66 overs of their 2nd innings, an overall lead of 344 runs. Fair enough wickets were falling, BUT Pietersen was not out on a hundred and England were already substantially in front. In the next 10 overs, with Pietersen still in, they added just 24 runs. No real urgency was shown, Pietersen faced THIRTY SEVEN balls in that period (with a quick count on cricinfo) and yet added just FOURTEEN runs.
India ended the match on 282/9 in their 2nd innings, while England ponced about wasting time to make sure India couldn't theoretically chase down the unlikely win, they were letting India off the hook. England had five overs at the final pair of Dhoni and Sreesanth. Want captaincy off the bottom shelf, Vaughan not only made a pig's ear engineering a declaration, he bowled himself for four overs at the death - his only four overs in the MATCH while his frontline seamers had taken seven wickets between them in the innings, SEVENTEEN in the match and Panesar had taken just TWO. Kumble and Tendulkar had taken a whopping three wickets between them in the match, with the last pair together at the crease what kind of idiot bowls himself as a part-time spinner?!?!? (the answer is in the question)
Of course we drew the match and lost the series 0-1, Vaughan was not a good captain no matter how many cheap wins over Bangladesh and West Indies he can boast, the two good series wins he managed over Australia (Tests won by two runs and three wickets) and South Africa, and no matter if his record does look good compared to other England captains - maybe they didn't play Bangladesh and indeed a West Indies side at their lowest
Lee1981
International Coach
Rain permitting i cant see anything but an easy england victory, lets be honest we could chase 100 down on day 5 no problem, especially with doherty the donut bowling,.
Aussie selectors hang your heads in shame.
Aussie selectors hang your heads in shame.
Not played a test in 5 years, not played for the side in 15 months, not going to happen. Can't see how Doherty can play in Perth though. Bollinger will be under pressure too, thing is, you can't just keep changing every time someone plays badly. Bollinger is a good bowler.
Bollinger doesn't look fit though.
Might as well bring Mitch back. His knack of picking up wickets from rubbish balls might come back.
Harris has been pretty decent. Siddle I'm not sure. Took a 6-fer but hasn't bowled particularly well since. Hilfy should be back if fit. If Aus want a spinner, then Hauritz should be back too. Although they could pick 4 quicks and use that as an excuse to keep North.
Other fast bowling options? George? McKay? Will the selectors hand an Aussie debut to Copeland?
If I were in the selectors shoes, I'd say screw it, go in with Mitch/Hilfy/Siddle/Bollinger and hope for them to click. That unit has done the job before, no reason why they shouldn't be able to do it now. Hilfy and Bollinger keep it tight, Siddle and Johnson keep bowling till they click and rip through the side.
Harris has bowled well though, so he can stay at the expense of Mitch, or Bollinger/Hilfy if either aren't deemed fit enough.
Might as well bring Mitch back. His knack of picking up wickets from rubbish balls might come back.
Harris has been pretty decent. Siddle I'm not sure. Took a 6-fer but hasn't bowled particularly well since. Hilfy should be back if fit. If Aus want a spinner, then Hauritz should be back too. Although they could pick 4 quicks and use that as an excuse to keep North.
Other fast bowling options? George? McKay? Will the selectors hand an Aussie debut to Copeland?
If I were in the selectors shoes, I'd say screw it, go in with Mitch/Hilfy/Siddle/Bollinger and hope for them to click. That unit has done the job before, no reason why they shouldn't be able to do it now. Hilfy and Bollinger keep it tight, Siddle and Johnson keep bowling till they click and rip through the side.
Harris has bowled well though, so he can stay at the expense of Mitch, or Bollinger/Hilfy if either aren't deemed fit enough.
Usually a player is better for the run after an injury which is what Bollinger will have. It is the same punt we would take on Johnson but at least Bollinger problem is easier to fix than Johnson. Hilfy would be the other option or the 4 pace attack mentioned. Still would punt North unless they plan on playing him at 8, his primary role is his batting just like Johnson is his bowling so neither should be picked on their secondary role alone.
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