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cricketmad09 said:
Whilst obviously that makes sense, if that became the norm for spinners in Australia you might end up going down the same route England have unfortunately tread in recent years.
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Whilst obviously that makes sense, if that became the norm for spinners in Australia you might end up going down the same route England have unfortunately tread in recent years.
Iron-Haggis
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Cullen is probably the best spinner in the South Australian squad so maybe there isn't anyone better. But yes you do make a good point. Unfortunately for Australia when Warne and MacGill retire at the moment there doesn't seem to be a good spinner to take their place. Although that guy from Queensland, Doran showed some promise last season.
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Plus he got delisted, Crosthwaite is Victoria's only Keeper. Whitey is a good batsman, and while his bowling isn't great, I would like to think he has enough there to be a batting all-rounder, rather than just a batsman, and more ODI Cricket should be on the pipeline for him.
As for Moss, he won't get picked because he isn't quite good enough, although he is a great player in state cricket, but he isn't too old to make his debut, if 31 is old then why is Stuart Clark a youngster?
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Give Cullen another year to show what he can do. Right now though he is the next best spinner after MacGill and Warne. If he can get down his average then he definitely deserves a shot at the Baggy Green if not we will have to look elsewhere.
We have a number of spinners coming through including another SA spinner in Cullen Bailey and the NSW new recruits plus Le Loux from Qld did look promising.
We have a number of spinners coming through including another SA spinner in Cullen Bailey and the NSW new recruits plus Le Loux from Qld did look promising.
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This is why I think it's bad that he's been sent to India. I accept that it might prove a success for him on the dusty Indian pitches, but he needs to recover the rhythm he had in 04/05.aussie1st said:
cricketmad09 raves about a poor average, but forgets that Cullen has only played a single bad season to get it there. SK Warne average 47 in his first Shield season, but almost immediately he was playing tour matches and then made his Test debut towards the end of the season. Next season, he averaged 40 and in spite of this, his Test career was firmly taking over. To this day, Warne still only averages 34 for Victoria.
We don't need Cullen, I bet Ricky can bowl better offie. Cullen needs a few more seasons because players can take him to the cleaners if they want (enter Lara). Most the time they play defensive because he bowls when they are five for not many.
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Punter bowls medium, but I think Cullen shouldn't be understimated, he really is the only young spinner I can see who has true quality, Whitey would probably be second.langerrox said:
punter bowls medium?aus5892 said:
: oh in that case he should give the bowl to haydos 
.White is hardly an all-rounder, His a batsman who bowls occasionaly. Besides Cullen I think we need to give some young spinners a go too or even part timers. Casson I guess deserves a shot as he can bat too, Macgill in ODI's even, Our selectors are so dumb sometimes.. :boxing
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Well this is something I posted on another forum, a not-so-quick read for those wanting to know how their favourites (and all) went in the English County Season:
Aussies in the County Season:
Derbyshire:
Michael Di Venuto (yes BlackJack he's a tassie) played quite well for Derbyshire, making 1110 runs at 52.50, but failed to show much danger as a match-winner, with a lot of quickfire 50s but not too many 100s. Travis Birt (another Tassie) scored 942 at 58.87 but was called away for Australia A after a while and was replaced by Marcus North (WA), who was supreme with 465 runs at 93. Not a bad effort that.
Durham:
Jimmy Maher (QLD) and Mick Lewis (VIC) were the overseas players for the Dynamos, and both were reasonable, with Lewis taking 30 wickets at 30.40, a good return for someone underused as a 4th seamer, despite his abilities suiting the English Conditions. Maher was less encouraging than Lewis, scoring just 817 runs at 35.52, a modest return for a skilled player, while he did well in One Day Cricket.
Essex:
Andy Bichel (QLD) was a handy but disappointing player this season (compared to his QLD bowling) taking 25 wickets at 30.96.
Glamorgan:
Mark "Mini Boof" Cosgrove (SA) was impressive for the Welshmen, scoring 856 runs at 50.35, including a 233, a best for the young man. Continues to pile on the runs and burgers in a way only Darren "Boof" Lehmann could.
Hampshire:
The King, Shane Warne (VIC) was eternally consistent for the Hawks, taking 50 wickets at 25.20, showing he's still got it when hurling down those leggys, while understudy Dominic Thornely (NSW) was disappointing, just 749 runs at 35.66, centuryless too, although his medium pace part timers yielded 22 wickets at 25.72.
Lancashire:
Brad Hodge (VIC) mounted his case for an Ashes Berth with 372 runs at 74.40, before being picked for Australia A, where he maintained a neck injury ending his season, but he looked good all the same.
Leicestershire:
Adam Griffith (TAS), a young tall quick (198cm) was disappointing in his season, with just 11 wickets coming at an average of 56.45, suggesting he may not be ready for the big county stage just yet.
Nottighamshire:
David Hussey (VIC) was an inconsistent performer at Trent Bridge, scoring 742 runs at 46.66, while not a bad average, it was below par for the man who was a run machine the previous year.
Northamptonshire:
Chris Rogers (WA) was a solid performer with a late wake-up seeing him end up with 845 runs at 52.81, a good result for the young man, while Matthew Nicholson (NSW) presented a case to play a big role for the Blues this year with an impressive 41 wickets at 30.95.
Somerset:
Took the surprising move of including two young spinners in their squad, despite playing at Taunton, usually a spinner's nightmare, and while Dan Cullen (SA) was poor with just 7 wickets at 54.42, and a triple figure strike rate causing the young man to stay home after playing for Australia A, it was Cameron White (VIC), taking over the captaincy at stages during the season, who revelled. Whitey was an excellent bastman, scoring 1190 at 59.50, a strike rate of 81.45, 3 centuries (one was 260 not out) to add to his previous 1 for Victoria, and a world record 141 not out in Twenty20 saw Whitey push a case for some One Day Cricket this year for the Aussies. While his bowling was not too great, smilar to Cullen's, it must be remembered that Taunton is, as I said, generally a spinner's nightmare. When Cullen left, Justin Langer (WA) joined the boys, and while his stats look quite impressive (390 at 130) 342 came from a single innings, so not all that consistent, although Langer discovered Twenty20 with a bang, outscoring the rest of the comp.
Worecestershire:
Phil Jaques (NSW) was one of the best, scoring 1148 runs at 84.80, and supremely dominant, and will be nagging Langer with all he's got for a berth at the Ashes, or even someone else (Damien Martyn comes to mind), but Jaques was too good to be overlooked.
Finally, at Yorkshire:
Jason Gillespie (SA) played a good season for Yorkshire, taking 31 for an average for 33, Darren Lehmann (SA) was excellent on the other hand for the boys, scoring 1315 at 69.21, with 5 centuries, showing he has still got some talent left.
Aussies in the County Season:
Derbyshire:
Michael Di Venuto (yes BlackJack he's a tassie) played quite well for Derbyshire, making 1110 runs at 52.50, but failed to show much danger as a match-winner, with a lot of quickfire 50s but not too many 100s. Travis Birt (another Tassie) scored 942 at 58.87 but was called away for Australia A after a while and was replaced by Marcus North (WA), who was supreme with 465 runs at 93. Not a bad effort that.
Durham:
Jimmy Maher (QLD) and Mick Lewis (VIC) were the overseas players for the Dynamos, and both were reasonable, with Lewis taking 30 wickets at 30.40, a good return for someone underused as a 4th seamer, despite his abilities suiting the English Conditions. Maher was less encouraging than Lewis, scoring just 817 runs at 35.52, a modest return for a skilled player, while he did well in One Day Cricket.
Essex:
Andy Bichel (QLD) was a handy but disappointing player this season (compared to his QLD bowling) taking 25 wickets at 30.96.
Glamorgan:
Mark "Mini Boof" Cosgrove (SA) was impressive for the Welshmen, scoring 856 runs at 50.35, including a 233, a best for the young man. Continues to pile on the runs and burgers in a way only Darren "Boof" Lehmann could.
Hampshire:
The King, Shane Warne (VIC) was eternally consistent for the Hawks, taking 50 wickets at 25.20, showing he's still got it when hurling down those leggys, while understudy Dominic Thornely (NSW) was disappointing, just 749 runs at 35.66, centuryless too, although his medium pace part timers yielded 22 wickets at 25.72.
Lancashire:
Brad Hodge (VIC) mounted his case for an Ashes Berth with 372 runs at 74.40, before being picked for Australia A, where he maintained a neck injury ending his season, but he looked good all the same.
Leicestershire:
Adam Griffith (TAS), a young tall quick (198cm) was disappointing in his season, with just 11 wickets coming at an average of 56.45, suggesting he may not be ready for the big county stage just yet.
Nottighamshire:
David Hussey (VIC) was an inconsistent performer at Trent Bridge, scoring 742 runs at 46.66, while not a bad average, it was below par for the man who was a run machine the previous year.
Northamptonshire:
Chris Rogers (WA) was a solid performer with a late wake-up seeing him end up with 845 runs at 52.81, a good result for the young man, while Matthew Nicholson (NSW) presented a case to play a big role for the Blues this year with an impressive 41 wickets at 30.95.
Somerset:
Took the surprising move of including two young spinners in their squad, despite playing at Taunton, usually a spinner's nightmare, and while Dan Cullen (SA) was poor with just 7 wickets at 54.42, and a triple figure strike rate causing the young man to stay home after playing for Australia A, it was Cameron White (VIC), taking over the captaincy at stages during the season, who revelled. Whitey was an excellent bastman, scoring 1190 at 59.50, a strike rate of 81.45, 3 centuries (one was 260 not out) to add to his previous 1 for Victoria, and a world record 141 not out in Twenty20 saw Whitey push a case for some One Day Cricket this year for the Aussies. While his bowling was not too great, smilar to Cullen's, it must be remembered that Taunton is, as I said, generally a spinner's nightmare. When Cullen left, Justin Langer (WA) joined the boys, and while his stats look quite impressive (390 at 130) 342 came from a single innings, so not all that consistent, although Langer discovered Twenty20 with a bang, outscoring the rest of the comp.
Worecestershire:
Phil Jaques (NSW) was one of the best, scoring 1148 runs at 84.80, and supremely dominant, and will be nagging Langer with all he's got for a berth at the Ashes, or even someone else (Damien Martyn comes to mind), but Jaques was too good to be overlooked.
Finally, at Yorkshire:
Jason Gillespie (SA) played a good season for Yorkshire, taking 31 for an average for 33, Darren Lehmann (SA) was excellent on the other hand for the boys, scoring 1315 at 69.21, with 5 centuries, showing he has still got some talent left.
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Vic Squad for 1st Pura Cup match has been announced.
Cameron White (c), Adam Crosthwaite, Gerard Denton, Shane Harwood, Brad Hodge (vc), David Hussey, Nick Jewell, Michael Klinger, Mick Lewis, Grant Lindsay, Andrew McDonald, Lloyd Mash, Jonathan Moss, Robert Quiney, Shane Warne
I think the line-up should be
Brad Hodge
Lloyd Mash
Nick Jewell
David Hussey
Cameron White
Jon Moss
Adam Crosthwaite
Shane Warne
Gerard Denton
Shane Harwood
Mick Lewis
Bowling
Gerard Denton
Shane Harwood
Shane Warne
Mick Lewis
Jon Moss
Other alternative would be
Brad Hodge
Lloyd Mash
Nick Jewell
David Hussey
Cameron White
Jon Moss
Adam Crosthwaite
Andrew McDonald
Shane Warne
Shane Harwood
Mick Lewis
Bowling
Shane Harwood
Mick Lewis
Shane Warne
Andrew McDonald
Jon Moss
Would give us a bit more batting depth, but we still have that 3rd Fast-medium bowler.
More inclined to go with first line-up, due to the WACA pitch.
Cameron White (c), Adam Crosthwaite, Gerard Denton, Shane Harwood, Brad Hodge (vc), David Hussey, Nick Jewell, Michael Klinger, Mick Lewis, Grant Lindsay, Andrew McDonald, Lloyd Mash, Jonathan Moss, Robert Quiney, Shane Warne
I think the line-up should be
Brad Hodge
Lloyd Mash
Nick Jewell
David Hussey
Cameron White
Jon Moss
Adam Crosthwaite
Shane Warne
Gerard Denton
Shane Harwood
Mick Lewis
Bowling
Gerard Denton
Shane Harwood
Shane Warne
Mick Lewis
Jon Moss
Other alternative would be
Brad Hodge
Lloyd Mash
Nick Jewell
David Hussey
Cameron White
Jon Moss
Adam Crosthwaite
Andrew McDonald
Shane Warne
Shane Harwood
Mick Lewis
Bowling
Shane Harwood
Mick Lewis
Shane Warne
Andrew McDonald
Jon Moss
Would give us a bit more batting depth, but we still have that 3rd Fast-medium bowler.
More inclined to go with first line-up, due to the WACA pitch.
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Hodge opening? I think Jewell would open, he has before, or even Moss although I doubt it in FC. Otherwise it looks pretty good. Or there could be aspecialist opener in there I don't know about.
Yeh Hodge is making a move up the order, you can read about it on www.baggygreen.com.aus5892 said:
So North played for Derbyshire?
WA squad I reckon should be:
Langer (c)
Ronchi (wk)
Rogers
Marsh
North (vc)
Voges (Ervine if fit to play)
Hogg
Dorey
Edmondson
Magoffin
Iness
I like the idea of Rogers batting third as he always get put down and up the order and doesn't really perform, At three his always a chance to be in early if Ronchi slogs himself out !
Maybe even Heal
Thats without Hussey, Martyn and Gilly of course.
Wow warney won't playing for Vic's OD team!!
http://wwwc1.cricinfo.com/australia/content/story/261530.html
genghis_khan
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^^^Don't need four pacemen AND Ervine.
Iron-Haggis
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aus5892 said:
Actually Ponting does bowl a few offies occasionally. Seen him bowl offies atleast twice in Test cricket. I think they were trying to get him to become a handy part time off spinner like Mark Waugh was. Plus I don't think White has any potential in becoming a quality spinner. If he bats like he did in County Cricket then I believe he'll become a useful part time spinner at Test level.
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