England Tour Of Bangladesh 2010

[War]

Or maybe I highlight it because I watched him play an awful lot of cricket last season, and because I know of how highly the Sussex coaches were speaking of his form too.

I follow alot of FC cricket as well. I dont see alot for obvious reason, given that FC cricket does not show on Skysports generally. But i keep up with it by following on cricinfo, so im very much up to date with what goes down in county cricket.

The Sussex coaches may speak highly of him. But based on what i've seen of him in international cricket i struggle to see what about him can excite anyone about his chances to be successful in tests.

I've been following cricket for years & of the list of joke county all-rounders that i listed before that played tests. Luke Wright is only better/on par as a joker with Ben Hollioke, Hamilton & Rikki Clarke, Watkinson based on just watching them play which is the key (given that domestic stats can be misleading in England)

Though I'm sure the reason why you don't want him to be in the side is due to the fact you think he bats in FC like he does in ODI/T20.

Actually no. I reckon if Wright probably does adapt a more defensive/conservative batting mindset in 4-day cricket, i still question the standard of bowling in Division one if he is managing to average 49.

As i said before. Now that Flintoff is gone. England can never play an all-rounder again in tests.

 

[TheGreemSim]

I really thought yesterday Bangladesh a could cause an upset but I now reckon they're only goin to have to bat once

 

[McLOVIN]

160/4. Bell goes.

 

[drainpipe32]

Tredwell looks like a pedo :S

 

[Highlander999]

I follow alot of FC cricket as well. I dont see alot for obvious reason, given that FC cricket does not show on Skysports generally. But i keep up with it by following on cricinfo, so im very much up to date with what goes down in county cricket.

The Sussex coaches may speak highly of him. But based on what i've seen of him in international cricket i struggle to see what about him can excite anyone about his chances to be successful in tests.

You're kind of contradicting yourself there. You say you follow FC cricket, yet you then base your judgement by saying from what you have seen of him in international cricket where he has been playing mainly the pinch-hitting role recently. You don't even comment on all the good knocks Wright has had in FC cricket, you just say Division 1 bowling must be bad, and right him off cause he isn't at the standard of Flintoff yet (even though he is doing better then Flintoff was at his age!)

 

[Owzat]

Somewhat disappointing batting display by England, Pietersen still not in form and perhaps could have been rested for this tour. I'm not going to judge Carberry on one innings, I still have mixed views on him as a potential England batsman but I'm pretty sure he has at least served three seasons of county cricket if not more. That said 42.27 in 1st class matches is nothing to write home about. Finn on the flip side is exactly what I'm talking about, he might make it at a young age but how many times has that happened with England!?!?!? More likely he'll be out of his depth and end up out in the wilderness or in and out of the side never able to settle. Just look what happened to Foster and more pertinently PLUNKETT. I argue now Plunkett should be making his debut, not back in 05/06. Shazhad's not played enough FC cricket IMHO, might have been playing since 2006 but just TWENTY-TWO FC matches to his name and less than 100 wickets.

In fact I believe I had reconsidered my stance on "three seasons" a while ago and adjusted it to a fixed number of runs/wickets, which would then allow for exceptional players while still requiring a consistantly high performance - say 100-150 wickets and 2500+ runs. Probably better than a fixed number of seasons because then you don't have to worry about whether someone played two 1/3 seasons, and then two full seasons. The other fear is the physical demands on such a young player, and for what gain? Their England career at stake, they might prove better than their older and more experienced team-mates but how often does that happen?!?! I'm struggling to think of a young player making his debut for England and succeeding - even James Anderson took a while, despite making his debut in 2003 he missed the 2005 Ashes and has still only reached 46 caps


Roll on the Test match, but ffs not more debuts and players who will end up along with a whole load of others awaiting a recall that may never happen. I'd be interested to know how many current county cricketers have played for England, I'm guessing it will be in the region of six teams.

 

[McLOVIN]

... but I now reckon they're only goin to have to bat once

declaration @ 281-8

 

[Iridium]

Cricinfo has Matt Prior with 69 runs, 1 minute, 21 balls, and no boundaries. What kind of crack was he on?

 

[Owzat]

Well an unconvincing display in the warm up thus far, Trott, Bell and Prior the only ones to come out with credit for their batting and Tredwell thus far the only bowler to produce figures there - albeit it included three tailenders and an out of form Ashraful

MOHAMMAD ASHRAFUL

Test scores since last 50/100 : 2,12,25,39,27,2,3,12,3,6,7,45 (183 runs @ 15.25)
ODI scores since last 100 : 31,1,5,4,13,29,75,5,0,63,3,20,4,10,9,22 (294 runs @ 18.38)

Bear in mind that run of ODI scores may include two fifties, but since his last 100 he has played Zimbabwe NINE times with that 103no being the tenth and he averaged just 26.56 in spite of that unbeaten ton. So while Tredwell may have taken the wickets, it's not as if it was a solid wall of batting he knocked over

 

[khalek]

Please don't waste your time posting Ashrafool's stats

 

[King Pietersen]

Well an unconvincing display in the warm up thus far, Trott, Bell and Prior the only ones to come out with credit for their batting and Tredwell thus far the only bowler to produce figures there - albeit it included three tailenders and an out of form Ashraful

Finn went well tbf.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

Ash might still be rubbish, but with 157 runs without getting out yet, Raqibul certainly is not.

fancy him to make the test team now.

 

[Sureshot]

I follow alot of FC cricket as well. I dont see alot for obvious reason, given that FC cricket does not show on Skysports generally. But i keep up with it by following on cricinfo, so im very much up to date with what goes down in county cricket.

The Sussex coaches may speak highly of him. But based on what i've seen of him in international cricket i struggle to see what about him can excite anyone about his chances to be successful in tests.

I've been following cricket for years & of the list of joke county all-rounders that i listed before that played tests. Luke Wright is only better/on par as a joker with Ben Hollioke, Hamilton & Rikki Clarke, Watkinson based on just watching them play which is the key (given that domestic stats can be misleading in England)



Actually no. I reckon if Wright probably does adapt a more defensive/conservative batting mindset in 4-day cricket, i still question the standard of bowling in Division one if he is managing to average 49.

As i said before. Now that Flintoff is gone. England can never play an all-rounder again in tests.

How long did it take for Flintoff to look anything other than ordinary in the England side? 3/4 years? Flintoff turned brilliant due to chances, world class all-rounders don't just come from county cricket to international standard.

I believe Wright will make it because at 23/24, he's in good form and has developed impressively in the last year, his work ethic is outstanding and he has some solid natural talent in all three areas of the game. I'm not saying he's a shoe-in for all England sides right now, but give him 2 years in the side (like we gave Flintoff) and we can have a very good all-rounder, sure he will never have Flintoff's pace and bounce (although mid 80s isn't bad), but I have no qualm in reckoning his test batting can be better. Flintoff was good, very good, but don't forget the time he took to get where he was/is.

 

[War]

You're kind of contradicting yourself there. You say you follow FC cricket, yet you then base your judgement by saying from what you have seen of him in international cricket where he has been playing mainly the pinch-hitting role recently. You don't even comment on all the good knocks Wright has had in FC cricket, you just say Division 1 bowling must be bad, and right him off cause he isn't at the standard of Flintoff yet (even though he is doing better then Flintoff was at his age!)

I may not have actually seen him bat in Division 1 last season. But by keeping constantly up to date with domestic cricket by checking on the various bowling attacks in the country. One can make a fairly accurate guage of the runs batsmen make in domestic cricket.

There really is no really good domestic "all-round" bowling attacks other than Durham. So thats why as i said, Wright averaging 49 in FC cricket last season shows how poor the standard of bowling in domestic (Division 1) cricket is - rather than a sign of his improvement/how good he may be.

I dont see how Flintoff is relevant here. I would be shocked if Wright ever gets anywhere close to Flintoff's quality as a test all-rounder - he would struggle to even make the standard of Craig White (from 2000 to 2002). That would be a miraculous turn around, which i can't see happening.

Fact is it was a mistake for Flintoff to play test cricket anytime before India tour 2001, since he clearly was a joke before then as Wright is now.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

I'm sort of with War. I just don't see the test potential in Luke Wright. I don't see the balance and technique to bat long.

Admittedly Flintoff was perhaps not the greatest in that respect either, but where the real contrast lies is the bowling. Flintoff was a tall and genuinely very quick bowler, a little inconsistent at times and his stamina was questionable but as a bowler he was good enough to be picked on merit. I'm very sceptical of all-rounders who's appeal lies in there balance, rather than all-rounders that excel in one area and are merely decent in another (Kallis, Vettori, Johnson). Mathews of Sri Lanka is an exeption as he is probably good enough longterm to play as a specialist bat, but bowling part-time pace allows sri lanka to play with 2 spinners more frequently.

Wright isn't much more than an above average trundler.

In this series I can't see anything but an england win, but I see Prior and Collingwood having to rescue england.