End Game Explosive Mafia - Endgame Mafia (zwarrior, asprin & RUDOLPH)

[Villain]

Lynch : AliB
This day is dragging long enough. All attempts for him to post his views here has failed. He did a similar in a previous game I played where we both were mafia.

Unofficial lynch count :
Rudolph : Swacker (seriously on your opening post)
AliB : Rudolph

Again too eager, might be even be out of frustration but Surendar following you so swiftly and lynching is very suspicious. Only the mafias would want to lynch someone this early plus without any evidence.[DOUBLEPOST=1497588876][/DOUBLEPOST]Would also like @asprin to post his thoughts, he's yet to post something which could help us have a good read on him.

Edit reason: Grammar

 

[Fake Passport]

I'm not sure how will the K9 unit help the town for now as he obviously can't reveal his identity and shouldn't either unitl I'd say Day 3/4 and let them take a chance.

They won't be public help until they are safe enough to claim, I'd be happy with them either being able to say who have been cleared and who is bomb, or taken out all the bombs, or take out 1 mafia bomb then stop etc.

Pretty much as long as they don't take out the town bomb and stop well be ahead. That could happen if they investigated and deactivated a town bomb then themselves take them out, pretty unlikely imo.

Plus if they survive and post their investigations, it *may* out the godfather depending on their read of the town. It might not be classically useful, but the K9 is still a very powerful townie.

The ball is in the mafias court. They either use the bombs and get to 4-1 vanilla, or they hold tight and the game goes to 6-3 either vanilla or bombs in play, either way with the K9 having a very powerful advantage...

 

[zwarrior]

This is my first nightless game and I was wondering why everyone are still posting after Simon ended day 1. lol

Anyway, I hope the K9 is more careful in defusing the bombs. We have 1 town bomb we don't want the town bomb to be diffused.

 

[Fake Passport]

And FtR - I'm planning on No Lynching again, but want to give time for discussion and K9 to get investigation done.

 

[surendar]

@Villain - you can scroll some pages back that I replied on your question already. Also do not underestimate K9 unit, it's only PR which we have to block mafia bombers.

Thanks to that last post of @Fake Passport with that detailed stats to give us that best first day. I am not that stats person but got where he is coming from finally, in particular after that bombing rules elaboration.

Only hope for K9 today is not to find a town bomb. He is going to have no info on that. Fingers crossed.

 

[surendar]

And FtR - I'm planning on No Lynching again, but want to give time for discussion and K9 to get investigation done.

No lynch is going to be safe for sure, but I found few instances of abrupt switch of must lynch everyday to no lynch on day1. Waiting for more discussion to see if we can good read on players here.

 

[Villain]

@Fake Passport - it's not any time, it's ONE appropriate time. There is a difference.

@swacker - I repeat, I meant what I wrote. Again it's not a set up to encourage inactivity. There is no other way in this game to find the odd man outs other than how you contribute. Yes even if he was town I wouldnt have mind because it eliminates one possibility to think whether he is acting weird because he was mafia or he is just not interested.

Also, when did you notice me that I lynched a player because of inactivity? I haven't played mafia games for ages. You not liking AliB to be lynched despite he adding no value to this game till now is the weirdest thing as if you are aligned with AliB.

Assuming this post was the answer to my question.

That's some weird risk taking, you say you're okay to lynch him even if he's a townie just 'coz he's acting weird by not posting. I take your point but how are you so sure he isn't a K9/Bomb(town) and it won't have any bad effect on town eliminating him?

 

[swacker]

They either use the bombs and get to 4-1 vanilla

Had it been that, the possibility of having townie bomber is likely to be? If he is still about there, then he should be careful with whom to bomb, else it will just be two townie going under the stride ending up with 2-1

Thanks to that last post of @Fake Passport with that detailed stats to give us that best first day.

It's funny that you found his recent post appealing than his original post which is just about same.

 

[asprin]

Yes, a good ploy. Now that the K9 has a different target to investigate, it's advantage town no matter how slight. Personally, I feel the mafia are playing well because as far as I'm concerned, I don't have any real suspect as of yet. There hasn't been any major "spill the beans" moment so it's quite difficult to judge anyone. Might make the K9's job that much harder but I hope he will be able to pick up something that I haven't till now.

Would also like @asprin to post his thoughts, he's yet to post something which could help us have a good read on him.

I don't really have anything extra to add here other than the fact that I found FP's strategy of "no lynch" to be reasonable.

I did find surendar's last moment switch to be somewhat odd though. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt at the moment.

 

[Villain]

I believe the K9 should investigate Surendar for today, he has sound the most suspicious to me compared to others.[DOUBLEPOST=1497594477][/DOUBLEPOST]No Lynch is the way to go but just as FP said I'm giving K9 the time to investigate and also get some discussion going on which will only help the town(K9 might get a better picture of who to investigate).

 

[Fake Passport]

Had it been that, the possibility of having townie bomber is likely to be? If he is still about there, then he should be careful with whom to bomb, else it will just be two townie going under the stride ending up with 2-1

The 4-1 vanilla is worst case. If the mafia use their 2 bombs to take out the town bomb and k9 then it becomes a straight 4-1 as there would be no power roles left.

As it stands, they have 6 targets. The chance of hitting the town bomb is 17%. If they use a bomb and don't hit, the second bomb would have a chance of 20% of taking out the town bomb.

 

[Fake Passport]

But in some ways id rather them take out the bomb than the K9. The fact we lose the bomb aswell as the target I think offsets the power. The bomb is more valuable as a vanilla player even now than as a bomb. When we get to the stage of having to lynch the godfather having that extra player is an extra day we can get it wrong.

Although, it is possible for the town bomb and the mafia to remain on last day which would be pretty funny...

 

[Fake Passport]

But, we need to stimulate discussion about the game for scum hunting purposes. I'll ask everyone a few questions (and feel free to ask a few of me - but I want others to get in first, Ive talked enough)

@CerealKiller - You were against the no lynch, floating ideas like '3 bombs' and FOS'd me for advocating what I did. You were then very quick and very quiet to join the no lynch crowd which looked a little wishy washy.

1. How can you justify a fos on me when I was advocating helping the town?

2. You found my anticipating of mafia tactics scummy. What about it is scummy? What section made you think I had too much info?

3. Gun to head impression. Who are your top 3 scum reads?

@surendar
1. What about the original role descriptions Simon posted and/or what statements I made confused you as to the role and rules of the bombs?

2. I posted that I was going to PM Simon and ask questions, you later posted you were confused about where I got them. Any explanation?

3. You seemed desperate to not do the no lynch thing, now it's 'the safe option'. What was posted that changed your mind?

4. Who is your top 3 scum team at the moment?

Everyone else. What is your gun to head type read of the game? Who's in your scum team?

 

[CerealKiller]

1. How can you justify a fos on me when I was advocating helping the town?

Because in your "best case scenario", we would still lose townies. I thought it was better to go after the Mafia straightaway, or at least on Day 2.

2. You found my anticipating of mafia tactics scummy. What about it is scummy? What section made you think I had too much info?

Because you didn't consider that the Mafia Bombs could not kill anybody for days, make us lose patience and make the Town Bomb go after someone, at the risk of killing a townie.

3. Gun to head impression. Who are your top 3 scum reads?

surendar, RUDOLPH and you. The first two because of wanting to lynch AliB.

 

[asprin]

Well, I've already stated it before. As of now, no one has looked scum to me. There were some posts that might have raised an eyebrow but not convincing enough for me.