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Cool down there big fella. Lets get back on the subject at hand, SRT is retired after all. Lets talk of him on the rightful thread and my split personalities also, lolz.
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Cool down there big fella. Lets get back on the subject at hand, SRT is retired after all. Lets talk of him on the rightful thread and my split personalities also, lolz.
Only way it makes sense. You cannot call a player a cheat and then call him your fav cricket too. Unless you like cheats, which would be weird.
I would not say MSD over pressurised is good. An MSD looking to prove a point is welcome though.
Also with regard to MSD continuing past WC as test captain, I have two views on it. If he is sacked as skipper then fine BCCI took a call and nothing to be done about it, move on time. Lets hope for better results not just overseas, but all over under the new skipper. Which means not just overseas wins in Eng, Aus and SA, but also more than the 70% win rate at home that Ind have under MSD and more ICC trophies. So good luck to whoever gets that job, but all the best to him for sure.
If however he does continue as skipper post WC in tests, then I think its only fair. He has been given a team nowhere ready for tough overseas tours and asked to deliver with it, and when he hasn't, he has been crucified. So if he then gets to lead the team in conditions they are more capable of winning, and gets plaudits for it, its only fair.
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the best way of annoying India would be the five ODIs all being rained off, tbh
A more interesting question is why are you wondering about what is best to annoy India. Sure you could think of ways to beat India, or best way to humiliate India further, but looking at ways to annoy India, is rather a curious way of looking at things.
Also I don't think that would annoy Ind. To be honest given how low the team is on morale, I would not say India are the favs to win the series. So not playing would be preferable to losing the ODI series right now and adding more to the pressure on the team with the Countdown to the WC having begun.
Although I do hear that its set to be another washout in Cardiff tomorrow.
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Let me re-iterate, I am not a Dhoni hater. I am a Dhoni critic for test cricket ONLY. I still love him in ODI's and T20 for the kind of player he is in those formats. After Sachin Tendulkar, Dhoni is the next favorite cricketer of all time in ODI's (for T20, he is my most favorite). But I strongly believe he is not made out for tests.[DOUBLEPOST=1409068593][/DOUBLEPOST]
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Let me tell you that, since the time you have removed Sachin Tendulkar's avatar on your profile, your posts seem to have lost some valuable thing..
(Replacing him with Kohli could be the reason for that)
Ha ha ha.... Not sure why you feel that way. Is it because I am criticising Dhoni more these days?
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India would gladly take a rained off series. Helps us get over the pain of the embarassing capitulation of the test series. Most often, India's form in one format rubs off into the other. So England should be annoyed if the series is rained off.
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Dhoni seems to bat well in the tests in England,He improved in the last tests,got used to the situations.So I dont think he is too bad at test batting.Its true he lacks a perfect techniques in test but he is batting well,even within his limitations.However on captaincy I do think he is to be removed.His on field gambles pays off in ODIs and T20s as many mentioned,but it is not working in tests.This is something others have pointed out,many experts.But the problem is who should replace? Kohli? I am afraid whether the Sachin's problems with captaincy would come with Kohli as well.Raina,Yuvraj,Gambhir,Sehwag everyone with experience is not even having a good position in final XI.So who should be the one?
I am starting to think he is just a troll.
Yeah who should be captain is a good question. Kohli is the next captain but he can't be made captain in the form he is in. Pujara is too inexperienced and too out of form. Kohli has tonnes of In't cricket experience from ODIs, but Pujara has just played tests and outside of that has little Int'l experience and no leadership experience. Among the bowlers only Ishant has some extensive experience, do we really want Ishant to be Ind Cap.
Rohit is another guy who has been around for a while, but he can hardly merit a place in the XI regularly. Vijay in the last stretch of overseas tests, has failures in SA, and NZ to show. Yes two good scores in Eng, but everything apart from those two scores in Eng was poor. Dhawan is a similar story. Rahane is the only one who has scored in SA, NZ and Eng. Do we really want Rahane to captain though?
The fact is right now there are no alternatives.
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The fact is, unless we entrust one of these players with captaincy, there will never be an alternative. There will always be an excuse to not try a new captain - some big trophy around the corner, loss of form on captaincy candidates, etc.
Dhoni captaining over all 3 formats could actually hurt us in the long run, because we are not able to groom a captain on a consistent basis.
Okay it seems the Met office has updated its predictions for Cardiff and rain is expected only later in the day. So only second innings is likely to be affected by rain. Which means s result by way of D/L is likely if the second innings gets in 20 overs before it rains.
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Exactly this is why Kohli should be named the captainof the ODI team and lead them into the world cup, MSD will be on the team to offer advice and guide him along. If I remember correctly Tatenda Taibu had lead Zimbabwe into a world cup or Champions trophy with Flower still on the team to groom him.
Can also backfire also by dropping MSD on the eve of a world cup but thinking it over its worth taking the risk!
You certainly cant point fingers at him as a batsman in tests, as he is certainly effective in home and sc conditions, even overseas he is starting to somehow manage it out, though i doubt the technique he used in ENG will work in pacier pitches in aus, but lets see.
Wicket keeping generally he was upto scratch but last series was a bit shabby.
Captaincy again, he is ruthless machine in at home even in tests. Only problem is overseas captaincy alone, so just going by tests im not going to risk 70% good captain,batsman and wicket keeper, on the hope that a new captain may work wonders with the same talent pool.
I agree there's quite a few selection errors, but every captain on the planet past and present has them.
I take your point that you are a fan of MSD and being a critique of him, but i don't think its fair criticism putting all the blame on him. He is certainly not the root cause of our problems, every time something goes wrong we have this habit of blaming captain and stuff, were as the real faults are in the system, come on we are country of 1 billion surplus populous and we don't have players who are technically equipped to handle swing or pacers who can hit 150+.
why is the board not allowing more players to county matches, get drop-in pitches and train them. Pace bowling is not developing because of the roads we have for pitches here, i mean any talented young pacer will loose his heart before becoming a bowler here or loose his pace to become a bowler.
A squad that cant handle swing and cant bowl genuine pace and when they fail to win test matches overseas, we blame the captain im sorry i cant see the logic here. A few selection changes of marginally better or lesser players and having a deep man out or telling ishant to bowl short pitch wont work all time.
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Okay loss of form of captaincy candidates is not an excuse, but a genuine reason. If Kohli is made captain (given a promotion) on the back of the no scores he has at the expense of the one guy who stood up with the bat when all around him were failing, then what message does that send out -
Don't perform with the bat, avg less than the tailenders and contribute to the team's poor run, which will make the captain look bad, and you know what, we will make you the next captain and give you a promotion. Yay.
Second to get alternatives to captaincy, you don't actually have to sack the current captain, and entrust it to someone else. In the past generation, Dravid, Kumble, Sehwag, were all ready alternatives to captaincy, without the need to ever actually sack Ganguly, just to develop them as alternatives. So alternatives to captaincy don't come up because the present captain was sack and captaincy dumped on someone else. They naturally exist in the team. The fact is right now in this team there exists no alternative.
I think MSD should give over the T20 reigns to Kohli and let Kohli start from there. Kohli sure as hell is not ready to take up the mantle in tests. He has his own issues to sort out. Even if you groom a captain you don't start with tests. You start with limited overs, and now with T20 in place, that is how Kohli should start. You don't start grooming someone from the test level down.
I remember when Ponting was groomed he only got to captain the ODI side, Waugh for long retained the captaincy of tests. Similarly MSD started with T20, and then later got the test reigns. Kohli should start with T20. Just sacking MSD and giving Kohli the reigns in tests, when he has had such a poor run, is not a wise thing to do.
Also its all well and good to think that a change of Captain will magically affect India's fortunes and suddenly India will send Australia cowering in its own den, and the Aussies will not know where to hide, but we must also look at the alternate scenario.
So far the eye is on away defeats, and that is the one thing MSD is being sacked for, really ... everything else is the best an Indian captain has ever been. So even if a change of guard does take Ind forward on the front of away tests, will that new captain be able to compete with MSD's record on other fronts? For instance will that new captain improve on MSD's 70% home test win %. Remember the team ganguly had and he had a win % of just 47% in home tests. So far from Ind winning away, the more likely scenario of a new captain is we stop winning as much at home too. Nevermind matching up to MSD's record as captain in ODI tournaments, who has won everything ODI there is to win.
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