India in England Jun-Sept 2014

[abhi_jacko]

BTW ..

5 Test Series - Score line
Test1: 0-0
Test2: 1-0
Sharma gets injured and ruled out
Final Result: 1-3

5 ODI Series - Score line
ODI1: 0-0
ODI2: 1-0
Sharma gets injured and ruled out
Final Result ... ... ...

:|

 

[greymatter776]

BTW ..

5 Test Series - Score line
Test1: 0-0
Test2: 1-0
Sharma gets injured and ruled out
Final Result: 1-3

5 ODI Series - Score line
ODI1: 0-0
ODI2: 1-0
Sharma gets injured and ruled out
Final Result ... ... ...

:|

Let us not be superstitious let us be optimistic These are words that the Indian team would be using now

 

[asprin]

^ Cricketers are believed to be superstitious, so maybe they might be thinking the same

 

[greymatter776]

I will believe India to lose the series only if Jadeja drop Cook tomorrow

 

[SaiSrini]

BTW ..

5 Test Series - Score line
Test1: 0-0
Test2: 1-0
Sharma gets injured and ruled out
Final Result: 1-3

5 ODI Series - Score line
ODI1: 0-0
ODI2: 1-0
Sharma gets injured and ruled out
Final Result ... ... ...

:|

Hope the difference in the "type" of Sharma brings about a different result.

Just when Rohit did well in the Cardiff game, he's gone. Anyways, I think India might push Rahane up and play Rayudu. But I wish they play Samson (although I doubt if Dhoni would do that since Samson is also a keeper). It would make a lot more sense to play Samson and get him going before the WC.

 

[grkrama]

BTW ..

5 Test Series - Score line
Test1: 0-0
Test2: 1-0
Sharma gets injured and ruled out
Final Result: 1-3

5 ODI Series - Score line
ODI1: 0-0
ODI2: 1-0
Sharma gets injured and ruled out
Final Result ... ... ...

:|

shit....anyway you got your wish of getting rohit out of the team, hope samson gets a chance atleast in one of the matches.

 

[abhi_jacko]

shit....anyway you got your wish of getting rohit out of the team, hope samson gets a chance atleast in one of the matches.

While I am at it .. might as well wish for more.

I wish, Dhawan and Kohli roar back to form with 100s :| Probably pushing it too far

 

[richowebbo]

Yeah even the side you mentioned is quite good too, and on paper definitely not also rans. Its an excellent side. They need to handle spin better, but short of that, I do see them giving all sides a good run for their money. Thats why I said in one of the posts that its so hard to get the hang of how Group A will finish. Eng are not a side that I will say will finish 4th in the group and no higher. Ppl are underestimating Eng big time here.

Also that is what was so great about Ind's win. No one would be excited if Ind had beaten say B'desh in that ODI. Its Eng and they are good side which Ind beat comprehensively, and that is why everyone is so happy.

Spin is an issue yes, but I'd say a bigger issue is pacing. Butler needs to come in higher up the order, and we need to be more flexible with the line up. For example, if we're down on run rate after the powerplay, but haven't lost a wicket and then Cook gets out, why not bring in Butler at 3 so he and Hales can have a bash at the ball. The biggest problem with England is this "gently gently" mentality. That is a hangover from the Flower era where everything was calculated. I hope Moores lets them off the leash. If this happens, and we can get Woakes and whoever the 4th bowler is to bowl straight, we've got an outside chance.

And yes, India played very very well the other day.

 

[abhi_jacko]

The biggest problem with England is this "gently gently" mentality

Also it is almost like they want an assortment of assembly-line produced, technically correct cricketers. They seem to have to no place for flair. I wonder if someone like Malinga would ever have been picked by the English team with his unorthodox (yet effective) bowling action.

 

[grkrama]

I felt they were actually moving in the right direction in that flintoff-KP era, then suddenly they lost all the flair.But it is also hard to judge the new players without seeing enough of them to be fair.

 

[abhi_jacko]

I felt they were actually moving in the right direction in that flintoff-KP era, then suddenly they lost all the flair

True that. Those guys were flair personified. Game changers. An ODI batting lineup with KP at no.3 can suddenly become more than formidable

 

[PokerAce]

Following the way how you judge players Dhawan would fall in poor group.Even Kohli also because after SA tour he has contributed little on overseas tests.However I would say we should stay with Vijay,Kohli and even Vijay in tests.In ODI we should take quick steps because WC is nearing but in tests we could wait for the players to gain experiences rather than panicking and changing everything all over.

First of all I am talking about form.

Apart from the two innings I mentioned since SA tour Vijay has scores of 6, 39, 97, 6 (SA), 26, 13, 2, 7 (NZ), 35, 12, 0, 18, 18, 2 (Final 3 Tests England). What do you think of these runs?

I did say those two knocks were great, but apart from those two innings, these figures don't indicate the most consistent of scores. If this is not a poor and inconsistent run I don't know what is. I am not taking away from those two knocks but after those two tests, Vijay has fallen back to his string if low scores. If you think I am being too harsh then how would you rate this string of scores?

Also you said by the way I judge players Dhawan would be considered poor. Well how else would you describe the run he has been on off late. Yes there was a good Century in NZ and a near century, but apart from that, Dhawan's form has been poor. Where is the dispute on that? I am not saying their talent is in question but their form.

Also Kohli has had a terrible terrible run in England, is that even in question?

I am not saying drop them, although if Dhawan keeps his poor run going he will make himself unelectable. The point though was Vijay's inconsistant run since SA (apart from the two knocks in Eng), and its clear from those scores that he is not exactly in the form of his career

 

[grkrama]

Apart from the two innings I mentioned since SA tour Vijay has scores of 6, 39, 97, 6 (SA), 26, 13, 2, 7 (NZ), 35, 12, 0, 18, 18, 2 (Final 3 Tests England). What do you think of these runs?

He is still the best solid opener in the team, his job is to blunt the newball which he does effectively. even in the innings were he is around 30 odd he would have stonewalled around 100 odd deliveries. I wont say he has sealed his spot but is better option of now, however im not too sure of him in ODIs as he has problem in shifting gears when to go bonkers or not.

 

[PokerAce]

Spin is an issue yes, but I'd say a bigger issue is pacing. Butler needs to come in higher up the order, and we need to be more flexible with the line up. For example, if we're down on run rate after the powerplay, but haven't lost a wicket and then Cook gets out, why not bring in Butler at 3 so he and Hales can have a bash at the ball. The biggest problem with England is this "gently gently" mentality. That is a hangover from the Flower era where everything was calculated. I hope Moores lets them off the leash. If this happens, and we can get Woakes and whoever the 4th bowler is to bowl straight, we've got an outside chance.

And yes, India played very very well the other day.

I do agree that pacing is a problem with England and not playing Ballance is hurting them. Most teams now do the hitting at the end, and upto 35 overs focus on keeping wickets in hand so their big hitters can tee off.

England actually try and do the hitting all through, and thus end up in trouble. England need innings builders so that their hitter can come in and hit in the final overs. For that they need someone like Ballance in the middle order. He will more often than not help set up the innings for the likes of Butler and co. to set up the finish. Which is also why I think India should play Pujara in the ODIs, because end overs onslaught is a big part of India's ODI plans. He can really set it up for the hitters, once Pujara finds his form ofcourse.

 

[PokerAce]

He is still the best solid opener in the team, his job is to blunt the newball which he does effectively. even in the innings were he is around 30 odd he would have stonewalled around 100 odd deliveries. I wont say he has sealed his spot but is better option of now, however im not too sure of him in ODIs as he has problem in shifting gears when to go bonkers or not.

I am not saying drop him, and lets hope he gets better from here. All I am saying is that apart from those two centuries he has had patchy form. Of course he does need to get a run in the side. He is probably the best opener Ind has right now. But that his form has been patchy is also equally true, as those figures indicate. Also if you follow the whole discussion you will find that this conversation is needlessly going on and on.

I said I was happy with his inclusion, even though apart from those two scores in the tests he has had patchy form, and if he is ready to play tomorrow (has arrived in England), he should play.

Now someone missed all the rest of and picked up on only the patchy form part, and now I have to explain what I meant.

Has Vijay's form been patchy - Yes.
Inbetween that patchy form does he have good knocks - Yes
Should he play tomorrow if available - Yes