India tour of New Zealand - Jan to Feb 2014

[SaiSrini]

We have a seperate thread for BCCI bashing/moaning about BCCI's clout in world cricket and how the BCCI sucked in the other biggies like ECB and CA with their money clout, how the BCCI is the big villian of world cricket, etc. I can even give the link to that thread - ICC News - Restructuring ICC, BCCI Influence

Can we keep this thread to just the cricket between India and New Zealand?

 

[grkrama]

^ @Biggs you do realise i was making a comparison to state that you cant enjoy even when your team has won, but you just want to crib about BCCI for everything .
Yes NZ has a population less than my state,but it also holds true for their requirements also which is much less than 28 odd states to manage and too many stadia, what NZ have to achieve is self sustainability.
If all the boards have done that instead of depending on big brothers ,this big 3 situation would not have rised.

Again you are making assumption about the other poster if you had read my previous comments to you you will realise im not supporting BCCi's decision of big three.
All boards are about making money first.Thats what they are .

Ours is a new team with just 3 overseas tests under their belt.Seriously dont get used to it, tides will change soon.

How long have you been a Cricket fan,it doesnt mater if the team is the most cash strapped or whatever , the team that plays best on the day wins ,if momentum is going their way even Ban can drub any side.

And what you said is true great match great cricket thats why we watch the sport due to its unpredictable nature.

Anything else you gloat to feel good about yourself is going to fall on deaf ears

 

[nightprowler10]

Biggs,

There is such a thing as a bad winner. People want to discuss the match and the series, not constantly be reminded of the depressing fact that a bunch of administrators affected the future of the game with their politicking. It's an important topic that bears discussion, but not here. There is a separate thread for that.

 

[War]

What is the indian fans view of Ishant Sharma now after this match performances? Ha, his career is reminding me of Pakistan's love affair with Mohammad Sami.

Like Dhoni, a few PAK captains & selectors seem hell bent on proving the world that he is a good bowler. He might put in the odd performance here & there - until one day they eventually give up on him.

 

[surendar]

Ishant Sharma should be on bench, our youngsters with prospects of having bright future should be given chance. Zaheer is needed to mentor in playing XI for other 2 youngsters.

Batting wise, wouldn't expect any change but we need bowling change for next match.

 

[ferg512]

Ishant Sharma should be on bench, our youngsters with prospects of having bright future should be given chance. Zaheer is needed to mentor in playing XI for other 2 youngsters.

Batting wise, wouldn't expect any change but we need bowling change for next match.

I thought Ishant actually did alright, and any time he has even a half decent performance there is no way Dhoni will drop him. I would think about Jadeja for Ashwin though, hes probably a better bowler and batsman although not in the field where Jadeja was spectacular. Was kind of surprised to see Jadeja averages 50 in FC with a triple century, all he basically did in this test was try and slog his way to some runs.

 

[Aalay]

Was kind of surprised to see Jadeja averages 50 in FC with a triple century, all he basically did in this test was try and slog his way to some runs.

He has 3 triple centuries in FC my friend. That is why he is called "Sir Ravindra Jadeja".

 

[SaiSrini]

The verdict on Jadeja vs Ashwin is very unclear. Jadeja is spectacular on the field, while Ashwin is a relatively safe pair of hands in slip and crap elsewhere. But in this test, we have had some expensive drops in slip. Jadeja was ineffective with his bowling in this test, but Ashwin has been very ineffective in his last 7-8 overseas test matches. But Ashwin is a more solid bat than Jadeja, which could have helped India in this test where Ashwin stood like a rock on one end and Dhoni had whipped away towards the target on the other end.

So its all unclear. I think it's wise that the team persist with Jadeja for some more time. His fielding definitely helped us a lot. If he had not run out McCullum, probably McCullum and Taylor could have batted us out of the game and would not have even let it this close.

 

[War]

He has 3 triple centuries in FC my friend. That is why he is called "Sir Ravindra Jadeja".

India's FC system isn't the greatest, flat pitches & generally average quicks. So some guys like a Jadeja tend to have inflated averages & scores until we see them face international bowling.

 

[surendar]

But Ashwin is a more solid bat than Jadeja, which could have helped India in this test where Ashwin stood like a rock on one end and Dhoni had whipped away towards the target on the other end.

I agree to this.

Part which frustrated me was Dhoni's excuse in support for that - "It was in the plan to slog & get out to put pressure on Kiwis". I really don't get this logic especially when you are aware that it was the last recognized batting pair. Dhoni should follow some 'Steve Waugh' cricket on how to get 50+ partnerships with tailenders.

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India's FC system isn't the greatest, flat pitches & generally average quicks. So some guys like a Jadeja tend to have inflated averages & scores until we see them face international bowling.

I would believe that he was joking on that 'Sir' part, not to be considered seriously. 'Sir' for Jadeja is number 1 FB's cricket troll picture.

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I thought Ishant actually did alright, and any time he has even a half decent performance there is no way Dhoni will drop him.

As much as we play Ishant, it would just hinder our young pacers' prospect in foreign conditions. He is just a road block with his inconsistency.

With Zaheer might call it a day anytime now(my guess) & before he goes, these kids need strong mentoring on field on how to carry forward the expectations as a strike bowler. I don't think Ishant, by himself, isn't in any near good position to tell other young bowlers.

 

[Aalay]

India's FC system isn't the greatest, flat pitches & generally average quicks. So some guys like a Jadeja tend to have inflated averages & scores until we see them face international bowling.

I agree with you but he is only second Indian who has achieved this after Pujara in Indian domestic cricket. None of our batting legends who have came before have achieved this landmark. However, when you see Jadeja batting, you wonder how the hell has he done that when he can't even middle a ball.

 

[vaibhavtewatia]

What is the indian fans view of Ishant Sharma now after this match performances?

Very bad in limited overs, said this before that he should be kept for tests. No point of dropping someone who has basically played in every test match since 2008 just because his limited overs form hasn't been upto the mark. Also tbf, he has been a bit better than others in tests.
The potential fast bowlers can be first tried in the shorter format.

 

[used2bcool]

Ishant is fairly useless as a limited overs bowler, so there is no real reason for him to be near the ODI or the T20 sqaud.

Tests are more interesting. By all accounts, he has a great work ethic and is a real captain's bowler, a great workhorse. You can almost understand why Dhoni is reluctant to get rid of him, especially given that there is no magic cure, no messiah waiting on the bench to suddenly fix all our fast bowling woes. But with that said, I think Ishant should be kept on a short leash. It would be silly to drop someone who just picked up nine wickets in the last test, but his rope shouldn't be very long. If I were to make a change in the bowling lineup for Wellington, I'd drop Zaheer in a heartbeat. He looked well past it - there was no pace and all the skill and guile in the world can't do you a whole lot of good if you're bowling at 125. The batting is reduced to blind biffing and the fielding has been a liability for years.

 

[playkid12]

They won't drop Zaheer, especially after he took wickets. He hasn't been threatening, but I don't think it's a bad idea to give him a longer run. He might take a few games to get warmed up. Everyone knows how good of a bowler he is when he's firing.

What I don't understand is dropping him from ODIs but retaining him for tests. In ODIs, he only has to bowl 10 overs. As a result, I'm sure he can bowl at a quicker pace in ODIs than tests, since he has to bowl in 5 over spells.

Zaheer has always been a bigger asset to India in ODIs rather than tests. He's a smart bowler that can get into a batsman's head. In the earlier overs, he tends to use outswingers followed by one that comes into the batsman to trap him for an LBW. His ability to move the ball both ways is a huge asset. In the death overs, he has the disguised slower ball that batsmen don't pick up when they're trying to accelerate.

Give the comeback guy a few more matches.

 

[ashitha]

i love indian team very much and I think they are the best. but I do not think they played very well in recent tours with south Africa and new zealand. really do not know why. some people think maybe it has something to do with Sachin tendulkar.
really hope they cheer up and show best performance in the 2nd test.