It's time for Ganguly to step down @#$^&*

[sohum]

Don't you mean should have been? I really think this discussion is useless. They could have given the captaincy to Bob Woolmer for all I care in the Asia vs ICC XI. The fact remains that Ganguly is one of the top players in the game, being one of the highest ODI run-scorers in the history of the game. If you lose your form or your time comes to retire, that doesn't mean that you are not a great player.

The Charity match was meant to showcase some of the greatest cricketers coming together for a cause. I don't really care about his captaincy as long as I saw a decent match. (Turns out I didn't see the match). And with the ROW batting, I'm sure the match was pretty decent. Even Sehwag and Sanath were going along fine at one stage.

As far as Team India is concerned, I think Ganguly should be retained. Otherwise we will become like the Pakistani team which used to change its line-up for each series. Or the Zimbabwe team which had 4 different captains in 4 different matches. It's pointless stuff. As usual only the negative things are remembered. Gnaguly has achieved a lot for Indian cricket and I think more than his captaincy, his players are letting him down. If only your bowling or batting functions in any given match, you ain't gonna win anything.

 

[sachinisgod]

i agree completely with sohummishra...zorax toyota were offering 50,000 dollars (US or Aus - I donno)... but that's hell lot of money to hit a six...and apart from the entertainment value...these shots had some good cause behind them...

 

[sohum]

Apart from that they were also paying some amount of money per run, I think. It's great--you're watching cricket and companies are also giving their back into society. Talk about internalising an externality.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Talk about internalising an externality.

I think I speak for all members when I say- HUH!?!?! :confused: :help:

 

[andrew_nixon]

I think I speak for all members when I say- HUH!?!?! :confused: :help:

I understood it perfectly.

 

[sohum]

Its basic Economics. Do you want me to go into detail? I think it wouldn't relate to this topic or even forum but briefly, an externality is basically something that is not accounted for in the price of a product. For example, if you make Coke and you are polluting the air with your factory, the product Coke has a negative externality because the price of polluting that air is probably not included in the sales price. And even if it is, it's probably eaten by the companies. Internalising an externality is when you do something to get rid of it or whatever. Haha

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Its basic Economics. Do you want me to go into detail? I think it wouldn't relate to this topic or even forum but briefly, an externality is basically something that is not accounted for in the price of a product. For example, if you make Coke and you are polluting the air with your factory, the product Coke has a negative externality because the price of polluting that air is probably not included in the sales price. And even if it is, it's probably eaten by the companies. Internalising an externality is when you do something to get rid of it or whatever. Haha

Ok..........i am still in 8th so.............

 

[sohum]

Then you are forgiven. Make sure you take Economics--it's a really cool subject. But if you got some crazy wack teaching it to you then drop it cuz it'll become damn boring. Better than Psychology and History in my opinion

 

[icyman]

THEN WHO DO YOU THINK SHOULD HAVE CAPTAINED ASIA XI?
THERE ARE NO CAPABLE PLAYERS TO DON THE MANTLE OF CAPTAINCY APART FROM DRAVID AND GANGULY. in asia atleast.
Ganguly was made the captian bocez of his eccentric decisions with bowling changes and field placings.
Add to that ,you cannot GELL with a completly new unit within a matter of hours.

THEN WHY SHUD PONTING ALSO BE ALLOWED TO LEAD AUS AND WORLD XI??
Ponting was never the vice captain of aus.it was warne first and after he was remove d it was gilly.
Gilly should captain australia and world xi and let ganguty be where he is

 

[Ajit]

I totally agree that Sourav Ganguly is the most courageous captain of all times.

Obviously, he has lead an extremely weak side to some superb victories.
(like recent 2-0 whitewash of Bangladesh, then a historic 2-1 ODI series victory against a better team)

Actually, there is no doubt that the current Indian team is the weakest team of all times.

1.When you have a player like Sachin Tendulkar, who has never scored a hundred neither has a thousand runs(I totally ignore his batting, I only see Dada's bat and I am never going to think about anyone else's records) and played extremely poorly in the World Cup 2003 (675 is less than 400, I think(Actually none can outscore Dada, how could he? So 675 must be less than 400+ by Dada)), you can never expect to win. Only my greatest Dada has made our victories possible. Sachin Tendulkar,Who?

2.Rahul Dravid just doesn't know how to spend even seconds in the middle. I've only seen Dada getting big 200s and making us win historic tests like one at Adelaide. Rahul Dravid,Who?

3.VVS Laxman is one of the worst players ever born. That Kolkatta knock must be a fluke, or my Dada must have used certain magical powers to make us win a test where we were trailing by 274 runs and following on. I don't care how many he scored. Neither I care about a person that made us possible to win a test in West Indies, Australia,...

4.Virender Sehwag is absolute rubbish.

5.So is Yuvraj, he can't bat at no.6 coz he is defensive and can't attack. So he should be made to open in tests(no matter if a well settled combination is distorted) also he batted at no.3 in Bangladesh first 2 ODIs and scored his highest scores. Well done Dada, destroyed both Yuvi's and Chopra's test careers to make his own place.

6.Kaif, the worst fielder and nothing like a match winner. Natwest Trophy, What's that?

7.Irfan Pathan doesn't even know how to swing. Dada does a terrific job by giving him just 2 fielders in leg side in 30 yard circle. Also, he deserves to be dropped from Kanpur test.

8.Kumble, does he pick wickets?

9.Zaheer,Balaji,Harbhajan,Agarkar,Nehra, ... all these are absolute waste

and with such weak players around, only Sourav Ganguly has made it possible for us to win matches.

Stop thinking like this.
Sourav Ganguly maybe courageous but he isn't intelligent at all.
And if only he could be the captain, then its such a shame that an indian either has talent or intelligence, but never both.

 

[squiz]

who said that Ajit?

 

[SaiSrini]

Stop thinking like this.
Sourav Ganguly maybe courageous but he isn't intelligent at all.
And if only he could be the captain, then its such a shame that an indian either has talent or intelligence, but never both.

Why do I get a feeling that you are trying to force others to change their opinions??

 

[Jarryd]

Now if I started this thread the world would come to an end.

BUT ANYWAY

Sourav is a useless captain, he doesn't have that good a record and the only reason the Indian team has been as good as it was, was because it had Sachin, Dravid and Laxman. Any team with those 3 will always go fairly well. Nothing to do with the captaincy.

 

[Ajit]

Whatever I put in those quotes was a collection of absolute lies, wasn't it?

But if you are totally ignorant with everyone except Dada and even go on to extent of saying that the Indian team is weak or players let him down, then you need to provide some evidence. But let me tell you, there is no such evidence.
If a great captain like Imran Khan would be having such players with him, India may have not lost to anyone(except Australia ofcourse). India are a superb team on paper, but they suck on field. Their ODI ranking is very poor(8th,and they were never 2nd) and they've even lost to Bangladesh. This is merely due to some idiotic things they do on field. But its not actually them, its him. I've rarely seen our bowlers starting badly, generally they start very well. But, when a brilliant swinger like Irfan gets whacked for a four, he loses his line and length. Because, he has to bowl as per a field that doesn't just suit him. And Sourav has certainly not been great to his players in any respect.

1.Virender Sehwag was more like an allrounder when he used to play for Delhi. But he doesn't get as many chances with the ball as he deserves.

2.Akash Chopra-Veeru combine was a good one. But it was Sourav who announced on the eve of Lahore test(which he didn't play) that Yuvi will play even on his return. Now, Sachin,Dravid,Laxman and Sehwag have their place for granted, if Yuvi and Dada are the remaining then there's no place for Chopra. That meant Chopra was playing for a place in the team and not playiing well there had himself dropped for Rawalpindi test. Putting immense pressure on your own player is simply destroying his career.

3.Yuvraj Singh was hyped for no reason at all. Yuvraj will open in tests was a idiotic statement and that not only cleared hope for Akash, it even made it hard for Yuvraj to stay cause not everyone can open. Finally, all the hard work he did went waste, thanks to Ganguly.

4.Parthiv Patel was there for such a long time only due to Ganguly. Did he never missed a catch or stumping? He missed plenty. That did not allow Ratra to return(and Ratra had a test century in Carribean, under pressure).

That all still didn't hurt cause India continued winning. But even when the team started losing, all Ganguly was doing was making ridiculous facial expressions on field and ridiculous comments off it. He was talking about "law of averages" when India were to play Pak in Champions Trophy. And praised the Mumbai pitch.

Let me ask one thing, Sourav made us enter a World Cup final but Kapil Dev made us win one. Now, to be very true India were a much weaker team in 1983(atleast on paper) and Windies in 1983 were just as good as Aussies in 2003. So how come Sourav is better than Kapil. Kapil too made us win a test in Australia as well. But Kapil isn't ever considered as a great captain. coz he was good only for a small period but for how long has Sourav been good. So how come he doesn't deserve to be dropped.

I say last 3 years don't count. Only past few months tell you who should be the captain.
Steve Waugh was thrown out of Australia's ODI captaincy as they failed to make into final of one tourney. They didn't care about 1999WC then.

AND FRANKLY I WOULD NEVER LIKE INDIA TO PLAY UNDER A GREAT CAPTAIN AND STILL NOT WIN, I WANT THEM TO WIN. ANYONE COULD REPLACE SOURAV GANGULY AS A PLAYER AND AS CAPTAIN I'VE SEEN DRAVID EFFORTING HARDER(MULTAN,MUMBAI WEREN'T FLUKES). TELLING YOU WHAT, EVEN PARTHIV COULD ONLY BE BETTER. NONE'S AS IMPORTANT AS THE TEAM.

WHEN DID YOU EVER SEE A GREAT CAPTAIN DOING THIS?

 

[fardin]

oh dear.........What the hell was wrong with him.It looks like he is ****ting on himself.<: