It's time for Ganguly to step down @#$^&*

[littlegenius90]

I AM NOT HERE TO PROVE THAT INDIA HAVE ACHIEVED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

pessimistic

Apparently that all u r doing in this post...

I can't understand why everyone feels like this. I ain't here to change ur opinions

nice question....and here is ur answer

Seriously, if people stop posting in Ganguly's favour, I will stop posting against him.

1.are yet to win overseas(since 18 years and still counting)
2.haven't won any tournament except Natwest Trophy.

1. now don't blame ganguly for not winning from past 18 yrs
2. yeah its obvious that reaching finals means nothing to u

Numbers,...
Considering ODIs since World Cup 2003, we had 20 wins,21 losses and 3 draws, or 20 wins from 44 matches. Not Bad.
4 wins against Zimbabwe, 5 wins against Bangladesh, 1 each against UAE and Kenya, subtract them, you get
9 wins,21 losses,3 draws or 9 wins of 33 games. just to tell you how an extremely poor record is made to look good. What used to be the case with earlier captains when Zim was stronger or not playing, not to mention others?

y don't u try considering ODIs before 2003 also
cause he was captain back then too
and that was the time we need someone to step up and we weren't disappointed

If you realise, we've failed to chase low totals more frequently.

ya u think anybody can chase big totals so just ignore it...and failure to chase low total...yup all caue of gangualy....he bats for all 11 players he bowls for all 5 bowlers and much to my surprise he fields for all 11 players too!!!

Tell me when last he scored a century. Way back in WC 2003 against Kenya.

I hope u like dravid at least
out of his 9 centuries
after his 7th century it took him 80 matches to score him his next one
and after his 8th century it took him 44 matches to score his next century
so according to u he should have been dropped too right!!!

Its silly Sourav's average in 2004 ODIs was only 32 and strike rate only 70. He may have been a great player, but if you don't drop a player even the team begins sucking under him then your team is going to die an agonising death.

agree that this was a bat year for him...so all those hard work and dedication for years don't count???....moreover having one bad year means u ditch ur captain??? so according to u Ponting and Inzamam-ul-Haq should be dropped from test matches and lara should be dropped from oneday and guess what Vaughan should be dropped from both cause their averages r lower than ganguly's this year...here is what I mean
Test matches
Name M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0
Ganguly 8 9 0 408 88 45.33 - 4 -
Fleming 10 17 1 737 202 46.06 2 2 1
Ponting 10 19 2 697 98 41.00 - 5 -
Vaughan 12 22 2 712 140 35.6 3 2 1
Inzamam-ul-Haq 6 10 0 372 118 37.2 2 1 2
Atapattu 11 20 0 966 249 48.3 4 1 2
Lara 12 21 1 1178 400* 58.9 3 4 3

ODI
Name M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0
Ganguly 31 30 1 947 90 32.66 - 7 2
Fleming 22 21 2 921 115* 48.47 2 4 2
Ponting 24 23 1 840 91 38.18 - 7 -
Vaughan 21 20 2 557 90* 30.94 - 6 2
Inzamam-ul-Haq 26 22 1 911 123 43.38 2 6 2
Atapattu 24 21 2 729 111 38.37 1 5 2
Lara 20 18 3 484 59* 32.27 - 3 -

As far as expectations are to be talked about, do you mean to say we shouldn't expect anything at all from the Indian team that comprises of Sachin,Dravid,etc.

dude winning and loosing are part of the game so just becasue we lost doesn't mean u kick our players..

That adds up wins against Bangla,Kenya,... Former captains didn't enjoy these.

ya u r talking as if all those 70 innings came against minors..man grow up!!!

Let me tell you, these are things of past. Live in present. He may've been a great captain, but now he could not make any more bold decisions that could improve the state of the Indian team.

perfect so ignore ur past and live ONLY in present right...so according to u we shouldn't bother thinking about future and live only in present...so Aussies do u get it, kick clark out and bring back baven casue present is all its matter u know...

And can you prove it anyhow?

no I cant...but there is something known as common sense, by using that u can easily say that ganguly is aggressive while dravid is not

And India fail to chase 70 kind of scores in last 10 overs.

yup once again u r bang on target...dada always waits till the last 10 overs to come out to bat and thats y we lose...

40+ that's his average, what's so special? Not bad 80 ball 55, oh! that's aggressive.

oh ya his average is just 40+ u know nothing special
by the way....
that there only 7 Batsmen who have scored at least 6000+ runs and have maintained average of 40+ and SR of 74+ are Bevan, Richards, Tendulkar, Lara, Youhana, Ganguly and Ponting.
ya so what where u saying about his average and strike rate

FEW DUMB PEOPLE SELECTED HIM TO LEAD ASIA XI
right???

and here is ur reply

RIGHT!

so just to let u know Sir Richard Hadlee and Steve Waugh where two people who made him captain...so according to u that DUMB...(hey steve waugh fans u there?)...and for all those cricketers like Akram, Rantunga, etc. who supports ganguly are also dumb???

seriously doing some research by yourself wont hurt before make baseless comments

and here is ur reply

Where from are you doing your Ph.D mate?

no buddy its called supporting ur point

ASIA XI defeat, is it not a bit too much?

awesome I didn't realise that we lost ASIA XI cause of ganguly...
we have all this great player in asia and still we lost...right
dude just go back and check how many players where there for ganguly to pick from...total number of players in a squad was 12 which included alok kapali as 12th man so basically asia XI had 11 players flat to chose from and they where no match in front of ICC XI so even if we had swaped the captains the results would have be same...


woh !!! finally to my last point
hey Ajit sorry man...please forgive me...for what I am about to type...

I repeat,... like captain, like fans,...

listen sunshine u can curse ganguly as much as u want thats fine but there is something called "limit" which u don't cross...i.e. by picking on fans...just because we don't agree with u doesn't mean u should shoot u mouth off by saying 'like captain like fans' casue when u say fans means all those people disagreed with u i.e. littlegenius90, sachinisgod, saisrini80,fardin, shahid6995, etc.

when I posted my previous long post I was expecting some mature reply but I am disappointed...ur reply seemed nothing more that a result of frustration because u failed to prove ur point...and I don't give a rat's a$$ about what u think...just because u don't like someone doesn't mean u everyone should agree with u, so support ur point with at lest some facts and stats and not by just ur personal opinion and that silly example of tugga...sorry again mate

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Originally Posted by Ajit
Its silly Sourav's average in 2004 ODIs was only 32 and strike rate only 70.
You do know 70 is an excellent strike rate for a batsmen who comes in early and has to build an innings?

 

[Ajit]

pessimistic

Well, its better to be pessimistic than to be nostalgic.

nice question....and here is ur answer

Excuse Me. Disagreeing isn't attempting to change.

consider India's overall team-strength and you'll find they've been an underachieving side.They
1.are yet to win overseas(since 18 years and still counting)
2.haven't won any tournament except Natwest Trophy.

When did I say, I am blaming Ganguly for this. But, when you people say that we have performed well under him. It isn't as good as what you think.Btw, it doesn't hurt you at all when you get to know this fact, cause losses are nothing to you right,...

y don't u try considering ODIs before 2003 also
cause he was captain back then too
and that was the time we need someone to step up and we weren't disappointed

Nostalgic,...

more frequently

I am stressing on frequency rather than what you think.Not my mistake if you don't get it.

Ponting and Inzamam-ul-Haq should be dropped from test matches and lara should be dropped from oneday and guess what Vaughan should be dropped from both

Again you missed the point,... they've atleast been winning

dude winning and loosing are part of the game so just becasue we lost doesn't mean u kick our players..

Losses mean nothing to you,...

ya u r talking as if all those 70 innings came against minors..man grow up!!!

you r thinking as if,...

perfect so ignore ur past and live ONLY in present right

Obviously,...

oh ya his average is just 40+ u know nothing special
by the way....
that there only 7 Batsmen who have scored at least 6000+ runs and have maintained average of 40+ and SR of 74+ are Bevan, Richards, Tendulkar, Lara, Youhana, Ganguly and Ponting.
ya so what where u saying about his average and strike rate

Again missing the point. I say Dada is already a player good enough to get 40+ in his average innings, now if his best recent performances become his average,... he has in way poor form.

so just to let u know Sir Richard Hadlee and Steve Waugh where two people who made him captain...so according to u that DUMB...(hey steve waugh fans u there?)...and for all those cricketers like Akram, Rantunga, etc. who supports ganguly are also dumb???

You don't even know who selected Asia XI.They selected ICC XI

YOU MISS POINTS, FAIL TO UNDERSTAND, AND DON'T MIND DEFEATS,...

Originally Posted by Ajit
Its silly Sourav's average in 2004 ODIs was only 32 and strike rate only 70.
You do know 70 is an excellent strike rate for a batsmen who comes in early and has to build an innings?

If everyone plays like that you end up scoring 210 runs in 50 over match, Also India don't have the bowling to defend 210 like scores.

 

[littlegenius90]

I agree that loosing is not good but again u cant just ignor wins either
u have to look at both sides of the coin

and as far as me missing the point please go back look at what u had typed earlier

 

[ZoraxDoom]

If everyone plays like that you end up scoring 210 runs in 50 over match, Also India don't have the bowling to defend 210 like scores.

Not everyone plays like that, mentally challenged one, I said Ganguly plays like that cause he has pressure from fans like you who insist he should do well every match instead of appreciating all that he has done for Indian cricket.

 

[icyman]

[If everyone plays like that you end up scoring 210 runs in 50 over match, Also India don't have the bowling to defend 210 like scores.[/QUOTE]

forget defending
the idiots cant even chase meagre totals of 230 vs sri lnak-asia cup final
and vs bangladesh
239-2nd odi dhaka on dec 26 2004

 

[sohum]

You have got to look at all examples properly. Ganguly is a slow batsmen in recent times (and believe me I never thought I would be supporting him in such a quarrel but you just make some meaningless connections) and scores about 50 from 80 balls. Sure, in the Bangladesh match he should have been slightly more aggressive. He could have been slightly more aggressive and thus all the fans were disappointed with his job.

However, Ganguly has often had to come in at a position where India have lost an early wicket and need to stabilize. He does take up a few balls to get going and perhaps a few more afterwards. Sometimes he needs to play the sheet anchor role. Rahul Dravid is no longer the sheet anchor in the ODI game, especially when he dons the gloves. So it must be some other player (in this case Ganguly, but sometimes Kaif) who has to do this job.

Secondly, a captain is not responsible to carry the weight of the batting. Sure, he is expected to lead from the front but there are still 6 other batsmen (at least in the Indian team) who are expected to contribute. He may not inspire the team with his own batting, but he certainly supports his cricketers and gives them a chance to prove themselves. And many of these chances have succeeded - Sehwag, Pathan, Yuvraj, Harbhajan.

As a captain he may not be technically the most correct but he certainly has had a positive impact on the Indian cricket team. He has also pulled off some good choices, especially when defending low targets against good teams. He has brought in the bowling changes mostly correctly and has managed to win close games. 2004 was not a good season for the Indian cricket team and that's why most Indian fans are hurting. But this does not mean that we should write off the team. Or hold the captain completely responsible for defeats.

I feel that Team India has DEFINITELY progressed in the years under Ganguly's captaincy. They were never before regarded as a threat in world cricket and from what I see and hear, people are beginning to fear them now. This season may have impacted that slightly, but India is still one of the top cricket playing teams in the world. They may not have the statistics to back it up but one watching them play can certainly realize it. Too bad that this is not a measurable factor and we rely on statistics. But this is more of a holistic assessment.

Australia prepared for the return tour to India from 2001, when they lost the Kolkata test match. They've prepared for 3 years to come to India and beat them. And I'm sure that you'll notice that they played a very different brand of cricket here. India were obviously not prepared--again you'll probably blame this on Ganguly--but he and John Wright have gone on record saying that India had made plans against Australia but simply wasn't able to execute them. This is just evidence for Australia's dominance in world cricket and not Ganguly's lack of motivation.

I do hope that India can begin the 2005 season with a bang and regain the status that they had in the season before last. I don't believe that because of one bad season and a few hurting fans, the Indian team management should take drastic measures. This season was a laid-back season for India in that they played mostly minnows (apart from Sri Lanka, Pakistan and England). I have full confidence that they will be able to recover from their poor form and put in a good show, again.

And on an afterthought (since you seem to be obsessed with losing) I certainly do not like watching India lose. But I CERTAINLY do not rate a loss a higher magnitude than I rate a win. Hype may have been created about India being the best/second best team in the world but this is not true. They are one of the top teams but they don't have the consistency to be labelled one of the best. And when you are not the top team in the world--you are not expected to win everytime. This argument may sound confusing.

I'll continue later as I have to go have dinner now.

 

[SaiSrini]

Die hard Ganguly supporter there! Shame you've Sachin in your Avatar.
Guts, soon we'll be having Nehra opening with Zaheer, Sachin at 11. Let me tell you, its idioticness if anything.

Bull***t, having Sachin in my avtar doesnt mean I should not be a Ganguly supporter. What are you trying to emphasise here? Ganguly and Sachin are not rivals that having one's avtar when I am supporting the other is wrong!!

Its silly Tugga was dropped from Aussie side. Its silly that its more important to win than to play. Huh! Its time you realise what's truth and what's silly.

Who cares if Tugga is dropped or not?? Thats their style of handlinf their cricketr affairs. We tend to give more time to our people..Dont compare the Aussie way of handling their cricket to that of the Indians!

Tell me when last he scored a century. Way back in WC 2003 against Kenya. Enough to tell you its his time to retire. He may have been a great player, but if you don't drop a player even the team begins sucking under him then your team is going to die an agonising death.
Punter has a better record than Tugga, Vaughan's better than Hussain, ...

I did not want to ask you this but u make me. Are u an Indian or not? Your ID suggests that its an Indian name 'Ajit'.. anywayz, i do not care for this but just asking curiously. I dont think the team would die.. We guys are optimistic, not nostalgic as you point out!!


Mind games, I remember the one played on Chopra. And oh! law of averages, great Mumbai pitch, is that professionalism to you? Inzi has a better record than Ganguly and an overseas victory. 40+ that's his average, what's so special? Not bad 80 ball 55, oh! that's aggressive.

Seriously, if people stop posting in Ganguly's favour, I will stop posting against him. I blame Ganguly for all perils of the Indian team.

I dont think a true Indian supporter would not stop posting here in Ganguly's favor. Just for the failures, we wont jump out from Ganguly's side. He has earned more success than failures for people to stop supporting him!!

forget defending
the idiots cant even chase meagre totals of 230 vs sri lnak-asia cup final
and vs bangladesh
239-2nd odi dhaka on dec 26 2004

This post makes me think if this thread is going to change from a intelligently debated one to a one who is going to be hurled by abuses!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by littlegenius90
perfect so ignore ur past and live ONLY in present right

Posted by: Ajit
Obviously,...

Then, there is no point in taking the discussion forward!! Past also matters buddy!!

 

[littlegenius90]

Then, there is no point in taking the discussion forward!! Past also matters buddy!!

I second that...no point in continuing...I think we had enough "intelligently debated" on this one so before it turns into flames lets make a u turn...

 

[m_vaughan]

I second that...no point in continuing...I think we had enough "intelligently debated" on this one so before it turns into flames lets make a u turn...

Intelligent debate? Most of it is junk. Anyways, its harsh to blame one person for the performance of the entire team. With or without Saurav, India wont win, unless they become consistent as a team.

Personally, I wouldnt want to see Ganguly be sacked.

 

[Ajit]

First of all, what do you people think my opinion actually is?
I WILL NEVER LIKE INDIA TO BE CAPTAINED BY A GREAT CAPTAIN AND STILL NOT WIN
You've not even been able to guess properly what it means so let me make it clear.
Most of you are rather misinterpreting it to be
Ganguly is the worst person,worst captain,worst player. And that's why all of you are busy telling me that Sourav Ganguly is a gr8 player,...but my opinion on this topic(It's time for Ganguly to step down @#$^&*, that's the topic) is

SOURAV GANGULY MAY/MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A GREAT CAPTAIN, BUT IT DOESN'T APPEAR INDIA IS GOING TO WIN UNDER HIM IN FUTURE.

Also, one thing I can never understand is that you always credit Ganguly if the team plays well, but if they play badly its players(Sachin,Dravid,...)to be blamed.
It should be considered as captain's failure if a team gives away a hi-fi score in 2nd innings of any one-dayer or loses when they have posted a huge total. India don't have a big history of losing when they put scores like 270+ on board. But failure to defend a score of 292 runs and that too being mockingly chased by the opposition is possible only if the team that batted first fails to maintain pressure. About instances,...
1.Pakistan chased 293 in only 49 overs losing only four wickets.
2.The same team got 344 in 50 overs and almost played at 9 an over in final overs. India won due to Kartik and Nehra, not due to Dada.
3.England getting nearly 150 runs of last 17 overs in Natwest series.
4.NZ victory in Champions Trophy 2000 when they made it from 132/5 to 265 and won.
5.NZ's win in Cuttack. 88/5 in 24 overs to successfully 237 in 47 overs.
6.Pak's win in Peshawar. They were 170 odd for 6 at a stage.
7.WI win after losing not 4,not 5,but 6 early wickets, thanks to Powell.
8.Ch. trophy 2004 loss to (yet again) Pak as well.
9.Failure to even stop Zimbabwe's Douglas Marillier to get 58 in last 5 overs.
I'm sure there are many more...
You will say there was something heroic that always happened in all these matches. Heroes being Butt,Inzy,Freddie,Cairns,McMillan,Hameed,Powell,Yo uhana,...
But players have become heroes so frequently that I can't disagree that there's something wrong with the Captain. If I remember recent India-Australia ODI matches, some players(like Ganguly,Melbourne) came to the verge of becoming match-winners but can't make it as they had to face a lot of pressure.

Losses in pressure situations
1.Failure to win TVS Cup final(chasing only 236)
2.Asia Cup loss(229 to win)
3.Holland loss to Pak(63/1 in 9 overs to 127 all out)
4.Bangalore Test loss.
5.Failure to even compete in World Cup 2003 Final, I think Aussies faced more competion from Kenya(were 117/5 when chasing 176)
6.Failure to win Rawalpindi one-dayer (needed only 80 in last 10 overs)
7.Failure in Lahore test.
8.Absolute failure in NZ Test Series(0-2) and NZ One Day Series(2-5) as well

Also add Bangladesh defeat to this,...

Strictly speaking, I don't really hate Sourav as badly as I seem to be. There is one thing I like about Sourav - That look on his face after India is beaten. He looks really very upset and obviously is badly hurt. That makes me feel this guy is efforting as hard as he could. Atleast he minds defeats. Not like some supporters here,...
But even at his best effort, we fail that makes me say,...

Sourav Ganguly maybe courageous but he isn't intelligent at all.

That's why I think anyone can replace him.

Dont compare the Aussie way of handling their cricket to that of the Indians!

man we are in a country where the captains are given really long runs and not in our neighbouring country where the captain's the first one to go even after an expected defeat...though I can admit it Inzy is a much better player and perhaps even a skipper than Ganguly will ever be...but that doesn't diminish Ganguly's stature in Indian cricketing history, present and future - one little bit...

It isn't my fault if you people have somewhat decided to support almost anything that goes with India. You should realise that Australia/Pakistan are better teams in all respect. Be that talent of their players or their captains or their way of handling. They have always made a monkey out of India, and its all because of the fact that we always accept whatever is given to us.

By continually mentioning Tugga,Hussain,...
I only mean to imply that sometimes even when gr8est captains are dropped, it turns out to be good for the team. Why exactly we don't think past Ganguly? Is it because we're all a bit too scared,...

utter rubbish been thrown in here...the thing is and it may be hard to gulp down that India have never ever performed as well as they have under the captaincy of Ganguly

Misinterpreted, there. Also, what I said earlier to that was all truth.

Ajit said that Ganguly doesn't give enough fielders to Irfan on leg side...but the point is that what is the mode of play at that time...if India are defensive at that point of time then definitely Irfan should have an extra leg side fielder(mid-wicket and square leg both)...but if we are looking to take wickets then the fantastic incoming delivery that Irfan bowls can be made use of better when the batsman is shown the "carrot" of gaps(esp squarer) on the leg side...in fact i think the ploy has worked excellently with Irfan to Yousuf Youhana (in Lahore ODI's) and Agarkar to Langer (in Australia 2003-04)...the only thing that Ganguly would have to decide is whether saving runs is important at that time or taking wickets...and his nature is such that 60% of the time he would go for the latter

Btw, do you think economy is nothing?

Bull***t, having Sachin in my avtar doesnt mean I should not be a Ganguly supporter. What are you trying to emphasise here? Ganguly and Sachin are not rivals that having one's avtar when I am supporting the other is wrong!!

You remember what Bull***t you said earlier to that. Sachin should bat at any position where team needs him.

I dont think a true Indian supporter would not stop posting here in Ganguly's favor

You know what it means,
A true Indian supporter would not stop posting here in Ganguly's favor, that's what you don't think.

We guys are optimistic, not nostalgic as you point out!!

If you aren't nostalgic, stop talking what we achieved earlier and only talk about recent thrashings. Optimistic! You only have the illusion that everything is gonna be fine soon. Be realistic. If your kind of optimistism is to be talked about, I'm waiting for Nehra's triple century,Kaif's 10 wicket haul,...

He has earned more success than failures for people to stop supporting him!!

Keep on supporting him. But you people move on to any extent in order to support him like I read earlier "players let him down","sachin should bat any position","Tugga and Hadlee"(That was a lie),...
If anyone says players let him down, then why doesn't he come up saying which player and what wrong he did.

Then, there is no point in taking the discussion forward!! Past also matters buddy!!

Nostalgia, if anything.

Anyways, its harsh to blame one person for the performance of the entire team. With or without Saurav, India wont win, unless they become consistent as a team.

That's true, but is the Indian team ever going to have a change? Had this been PCB or CA, Ganguly would have been thrown out much earlier. Pak sacked Miandad cause they lost,... Some change is compulsary if the team starts sucking, even if it seems ridiculous.

sohumishra, you talk about India not being best/2nd best, let me tell you they're ranked 8th.

BCCI is the softest Board in the World.

And if I just think Sourav needs to be changed, why does it hurt you people? Sourav isn't going to be changed until BCCI decides or he himself retires,... or do you find my posts hurting you so hard that you just can't resist it or is it just that you've somewhat decided that you ain't goin to tolerate anything against ur god?

And we are not going to have a century under Ganguly, anyway.
Ganguly is undoubtedly far better than a fixer from whom he took the burden of captaincy.
But, I just disagree with anyone who calls him
1.The best ever Indian captain,or anything similar
2.The best possible current captain for India

especially when
1.Our team gets ranked 8th
2.loses to Bangla
3.loses 4 ODIs to Pak in a row
4.fails to chase meagre totals
5.fails to defend huge ones
6.Pathan gets dropped
7.beats Australia in someone else's captaincy
8.loses a well settled opening combination
9.Pathan fails to maintain a good economy rate
10.loses home series twice under SG's captaincy

Btw, I agree Ganguly isn't responsible for everything wrong that's happening but these things happen when there are some real big errors in gameplan,tactics,... those kind of things. There are obviously some poor decisions made on field.
And, can you prove that Ganguly hasn't been responsible one little bit?
Also, is there a drought of good cricketers in India (considering Badani,Gambhir,Mongia)?

 

[ZoraxDoom]

so....wat u are saying that Indias losses were his fault when the players weren't up to it? True that credit for victories shouldn't be given to him but at time it was his captaincy which helped India. He isn't the only batsmen or bowler in the team y'know. For Irfans field- the idea is to get him to bowl his inswinger outside off, hence making him more lethal, along with getting batsmen to play across line to get wickets. He needs his players to play well, and it isn't all his fault. If Pontoing was captaining the side it might have a minor effect in the batting dept. but India migh very well still be ranked 8th. the team was inexperienced in 2004(considering Kumble didn't play in many ODIs and Sachin was injured) with only Ganguly and Dravid the really experienced ones there. This year is bound to be good for Indian cricket.

 

[m_vaughan]

That's true, but is the Indian team ever going to have a change? Had this been PCB or CA, Ganguly would have been thrown out much earlier. Pak sacked Miandad cause they lost,... Some change is compulsary if the team starts sucking, even if it seems ridiculous.

Yes changes are necessary, but the changes need to be meaningful. I dont see how by just changing Ganguly will change anything for Indian Cricket.

Also you give the examples of the PCB, and CA. Well my friend if the BCCI followed their footsteps, then even Sachin Tendulkar would not be playing for the team today. Also had this been the PCB, you would have had some 10-20 coaches in a period of 3-4 years. Would you want that??

 

[sohum]

I have two things to say:

1. There is no proper substitute for captain in the Indian team, in my opinion, as of this moment.
2. The ICC ranking system is flawed.

Both my opinion, don't flame me.

 

[bharat]

SOURAV GANGULY MAY/MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A GREAT CAPTAIN, BUT IT DOESN'T APPEAR INDIA IS GOING TO WIN UNDER HIM IN FUTURE.

That's what I wanted to actually tell when I started this thread.
I think there is somthing seriously wrong with the India team after the Pakistan tour in which they trashed Pak in both ODIs & Tests.

Indian team looks like it laks motivation.This has to be done(on field) by Ganguly and not by anyone else.Indian team looks low in confidance.
Also Ganguly is repeatedly gloryfying Harbajan Singh.He is not at the best of his form now & does not perform as he used to before.
Murali Karthik looked beter than Harbajan in many occations(in Aus tour of India & Ind tour of Bangladesh).Harbajan is indeed a great bowler.I'm not trying to say that he is crap.Understand what I'm trying to say.I feel Murali Karthik was not given enough chances when Ganguly captained.

Karthik performed better under Dravid.This is very obvious.In the newspaper "The Hindu" they had noticed this and had asked Dravid about this.But he said that he had no say in picking the final 11.