New Zealand Tour of West Indies May-July 2014

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West Indies news : Sunil Narine picks IPL over Tests | Cricket News | West Indies v New Zealand | ESPN Cricinfo

WICB seems to be making a mountain out of a molehill here. Why did they make Nairne have to make this choice, I see no reason why he couldn't play the IPL final, he would have had enough time for some sort of test preparation.

I don't see the NZ board making a big deal out of McCullum not being in the Caribbean as yet for their current warm up matches. And i'd be willing to bet if & CSK had made the IPL final - NZ would not have made a fuss either.

 

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Third Test reportedly moved from Guyana : Kaieteur News

Guyana Test in limbo | The Trinidad Guardian Newspaper

 

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West Indies news : Sunil Narine picks IPL over Tests | Cricket News | West Indies v New Zealand | ESPN Cricinfo

WICB seems to be making a mountain out of a molehill here. Why did they make Nairne have to make this choice, I see no reason why he couldn't play the IPL final, he would have had enough time for some sort of test preparation.

I don't see the NZ board making a big deal out of McCullum not being in the Caribbean as yet for their current warm up matches. And i'd be willing to bet if & CSK had made the IPL final - NZ would not have made a fuss either.

I dont get de WICB seriously. 1st Test Match starts on 8th of June.
and Narine says he will be back in the Caribbean 3rd of June, still have 5 days.

I always say Your Home team first, but in this Position i dont see nothing wrong in him playing KKR , since he still have a good amount of time to settle back in the Caribbean it's not like they are clashing .

 

[SpitfiresKent]

It just doesn't make sense really, surely the West Indies want their best players playing don't they?

 

[Aalay]

KKR even offered to pay for a private plane to fly Sunil Narine to the West Indies, straight after the IPL final. WICB declined. Just childish stuff form WICB.

 

[lion100lion]

KKR even offered to pay for a private plane to fly Sunil Narine to the West Indies, straight after the IPL final. WICB declined. Just childish stuff form WICB.

It's not a loss of Sunil Narine, but a loss of WICB.
Narine will get extra payment from KKR, but WICB will lose the services of a great spinner.

 

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Tony Cozier: The Narine conundrum | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

Very good article..

 

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Like I said in the other thread - its a tad unfair on the WICB. Minimum 7 days of camp before a test match is actually a very good rule. Especially for players coming right after playing T20 for more than a month.

I know it looks like WICB is being inflexible but some would argue that they are trying to enforce some much needed discipline. Much like SLC.

I mean it is a home Test series against a challenging opposition. You dont really want unprepared players taking the field in the toughest format. It would be okay if it was a T20 series or an ODI series. But Test match needs a fair bit of acclimatizing to

 

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Tony Cozier: The Narine conundrum | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

Very good article..

Never heard of that scneario with Desmond Haynes post 1995 series vs AUS, which lead to the great man's career ending. That was certainly dumb

 

[ParkedTheBus]

The WICB sometimes makes the ECB look so professional.

 

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Like I said in the other thread - its a tad unfair on the WICB. Minimum 7 days of camp before a test match is actually a very good rule. Especially for players coming right after playing T20 for more than a month.

I know it looks like WICB is being inflexible but some would argue that they are trying to enforce some much needed discipline. Much like SLC.

I mean it is a home Test series against a challenging opposition. You dont really want unprepared players taking the field in the toughest format. It would be okay if it was a T20 series or an ODI series. But Test match needs a fair bit of acclimatizing to

While teams certainly need decent acclimatization for tests series, that is stilla weak reason to exclude Narine. Given the packed FTP programme & the introduction off T20 leagues (mainly the IPL), most teams preparations for international series in the last decade is always cut short & thus they are forced to compromise.

You hardly for example see teams getting enough proper FC practice matches before a test series for example.

According to the New WICB 19 point policy created by their new English director of cricket have a look at points 7 & 14: http://windiescricket.com/sites/default/files/West_Indies_Cricket_Systems_Report_2014_-_Prepared_By_Richard_Pybus.pdf

Point 7 says: "National Selection Function - Prioritise ?West Indies First? selection policy".

That is reasoning Pybus gave for wanting Narine to be in the camp by the first.

But also point 14 says: "WICB and WIPA - Seek to establish an IPL Window for WI Players"

The last two seasons we have seen the WICB basically give up their prime home season months of January-May to avoid clashes with the IPL, which has affects them more than any international team. And in the past the IPL caused animosity with players which led to Gayle being stupidly banned for a year & others like DW Bravo, Pollard being unfairly labelled mercenaries.

So if the now are seeking an IPL window, why did they ask Narine & other players to reach home for the camp on June 1st deadline, when the IPL final is the same day?

WI players are the biggest representatives in IPL & play for some of better IPL teams. So surely they had to consider one of them could make the final.

Plus as i mentioned before, using the preparation/enforcing discipline argument - NZ captain McCullum & Corey Anderson missed their 1st of 2 important warm-up game in Jamaica. Sure too given how different the conditions in the caribbean are, they may have wanted all their players for their two games.

But to date NZ board have not made a noise about it this.

 

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West Indies Cricket News: T&T sports minister pleads Narine's case | ESPN Cricinfo

 

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What happened to Nairne in that 2012 BANG series is not relevant. Why still harp on it. In his most recent test in NZ 2013, he took a 6 wicket haul & looked just as dangerous as he does in T20s.

I see use in Benn. If conditions in Guyana & Trinidad are as spinner friendly as expected, Windies could easily play Narine/Shilly/Benn in the same XI. Taylor or Roach would be the lone seamer & DW Bravo would be the next quick.

Gabriel form what i understand showed improved accuracy in the 4-day season & his figures of 22 wickets, 7 matches @ 21.09 was the best for any seamer in the season behind Taylor. So, i don't think its fair to label it as Ramdin/TT biased selection.

But then again when the squad is narrowed for the 1st test, I expect Gabriel to be axed.

Its very relevant when you get taken apart by Bangladesh while bowlers like Ghazi end up taking wickets. That too on those spinning wickets in Bangladesh.

As for Benn he has had his fair share of disciplinary issues including being sent of the field for not wanting to do what the captain told him to.
There are young bowlers that are just as good. They just played Permaul and he did a good job but yet they go back to Benn who they gave up on a long time ago. But its a usual WI approach, one step forward two steps back.

As for Narines IPL thing its country over IPL. He made his choice to play the final and now he will have to sit out the first test.

 

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Its very relevant when you get taken apart by Bangladesh while bowlers like Ghazi end up taking wickets. That too on those spinning wickets in Bangladesh.

As for Benn he has had his fair share of disciplinary issues including being sent of the field for not wanting to do what the captain told him to.
There are young bowlers that are just as good. They just played Permaul and he did a good job but yet they go back to Benn who they gave up on a long time ago. But its a usual WI approach, one step forward two steps back.

So you are that what Narine did in BANG 2012, is more relevant & pertinent indication of his current test form than what he did in NZ 2013?

Permaul looked crap in the tests he played India & NZ last year, that's why he was dropped. Benn has been bowling well domestically and deserves a recall. Nothing to do with no backward WICB approach - just the simple modicum or rewarding players who performed & dropping players who didn't.

As for Narines IPL thing its country over IPL. He made his choice to play the final and now he will have to sit out the first test.

The point is, Narine should not have been forced to make the choice.

 

[Dare]

So you are that what Narine did in BANG 2012, is more relevant & pertinent indication of his current test form than what he did in NZ 2013?

Test form on one test match? Biig form that is, one innings too.
As opposed to 4 innings on spin friendly wickets of Bangladesh. That too against a side like Bangladesh.
The point I made was that in tests he won't be nearly as effective as he has been on the IPL which was suggested earlier. Because players don't have to attack him in test matches.

Permaul looked crap in the tests he played India & NZ last year, that's why he was dropped. Benn has been bowling well domestically and deserves a recall. Nothing to do with no backward WICB approach - just the simple modicum or rewarding players who performed & dropping players who didn't.

Looking at the west indies domestic stats so did every other spinner. And a good amount of them don't come with problems that Benn brings. Bishoo had just as good a year, so did imran khan, martin, miller, permaul. And if anyone deserves that spot it a Bishoo.
Benn took him self out of the team with his attitude.
But then I'm not surprised they did the same thing with Best.

The point is, Narine should not have been forced to make the choice.

Exactly. He should not put an IPL team above the national team.
Everyone used to criticize players when the IPL started but now its somehow fair for a player to come a few days before a test match and jump in and play after not playing first class cricket for months.
How is it fair to the players who put in the work and attend these training camps for weeks before a test series to get put on the bench so a player who chose IPL over nation wlaks into the team.
Show up, prepare like everyone else and play. Simple equation.