Pakistan and Australia in the UAE August-September 2012

[aussie1st]

Warner really struggling against the spin, really thought he had turned the corner in ODIs but back to the norm so far. Wade likewise, would be good if one of them put their hand up as opener.

Maxwell has come along nicely, looks like the number 7 we have been waiting for. Bailey has taken his chances, probably has a spot till the next WC given the retirements on the horizon.

 

[Paki007]

A very good victory for us Really impressed the way Nasir Performed,this will keep Farhat out of the team for a while.But a problem which i see in him as i see in many Pakistani batsmen that he doesn't try to play long innings.Sometimes he takes too many chances so he must learn to read the situation properly.It's a good thing that now we have 2 aggressive openers.At times we become over defensive because of having Misbah,Azhar and Asad in the team.I think now Younis must think about his ODI future because i see a good batting future for us in Azhar,Asad and Umar Akmal.

I'd like to give a chance to Anwer Ali for the last ODI.I am sure he will be a better choice than Tanvir.Tanvir is as same as he was,bowls at least 2 bad deliveries every over.

 

[sifter132]

Warner really struggling against the spin, really thought he had turned the corner in ODIs but back to the norm so far. Wade likewise, would be good if one of them put their hand up as opener.

Maxwell has come along nicely, looks like the number 7 we have been waiting for. Bailey has taken his chances, probably has a spot till the next WC given the retirements on the horizon.

I wonder whether it's because they are putting too much pressure on Warner and Wade to make big scores. Half the interviews I read with Clarke or the Aussie staff talk about how the top order should be getting hundreds. I'm not sure that should be the aim. Eventually, yes. But only if you get past 20 and probably towards 40-50 should you be thinking, 'yeah I'll set myself for a 100 here'.

There's also that awful cliche of 'play your natural game' (the answer to every batsman's problems...), but in ODIs Warner doesn't seem to know what that natural game is, perhaps Wade too. Even when Warner does make a 100, it's been awkward eg. that 100 vs SL in the 2nd final last summer, came off 140 balls and Clarke outscored him badly during their partnership. His 'natural game' radar is especially screwed if the opposition use spinners to him, because even though he'd like to hit out to break the shackles, it seems he also wants to play responsibly. After that, it's just a matter of which voice/instinct speaks louder.

What's the answer? Could try him down the order so he can hit more gaps in the field early in his innings. Could give him a break from ODIs and try and get him more experience in domestic OD matches. Could just drop him outright. Could give him a better, more experienced opening partner eg. Hussey or Watson, which might make him feel less responsibility and make him play a bit more freely (although the Watson/Warner partnership failed hard in WI and England...). I'm not sure what the ultimate solution is, but I think Warner is most likely the key to fixing these issues with the top order - something needs to happen.

 

[Rehan_24]

Quite a good Performance by Pakistan especially Saeed Ajmal and Nasir Jamshed. Junaid Khan is great emerging bowler there isnt any doubt about it. He should be played consistently for Pakistan.

As far as Australia goes, Its tough for them to perform well in such hot and humid conditions as they arent used to it, as for batting, I have seen Peter Forrest, He seemed to me a good batsman, dont know why he is not the batting order.

The Final will be a cracker

 

[Addy]

Indeed. PCB made a blunder of a decision to not to include Junaid Khan for World T20. However Tanvir will be handy as a new ball bowler on Srilankan soil which offers plenty to the swing bowlers. Jamshed played awesome knock. Kind of guy who was needed in the top order. His stroke play reminds me of Matt Hayden.

 

[sifter132]

As far as Australia goes, Its tough for them to perform well in such hot and humid conditions as they arent used to it, as for batting, I have seen Peter Forrest, He seemed to me a good batsman, dont know why he is not the batting order.

The Final will be a cracker

Yes I think the dew was much heavier than they anticipated - should have bowled first!

Forrest was found out in England both in the ODIs and the 'A' team matches. In the ODIs he was very slow, struggling to get off strike and his form was poor for Australia 'A'. We've got Callum Ferguson on tour, but I doubt he gets a match now given that this is the decider. Cameron White will also come into the selection frame for a specialist batsman. Shaun Marsh too.

 

[War]

Yeah I realise he won't last forever, but at the moment I bet Clarke trusts Watson with ball more than those 2, and it showed last summer when both Watson and Christian played. Christian was always the last bowler turned to, and really only to give him the chance to roll his arm over. My view is to only start selecting those guys when they are actually needed.



I'm definitely no Doherty fan, but I'd love to know how Australia expects to develop a spinner when they won't give one a go. Nothing like crushing a guy's confidence by playing Maxwell or Dave Hussey ahead of him.

Plus EVERYONE had a crap tour of England, bar perhaps McKay.



My opinion? Screw Maxwell & Marsh/Christian, instead play Wade at #7 and include an extra specialist batsman instead of pissing around with all-rounders, whether it's White, Shaun Marsh, Ferguson, Bailey, Phil Hughes whoever... Watson, Clarke and D.Hussey are good enough as a 5th bowler. Bowling lineup could be anyone to be honest...Starc looks one for the future, and I still like playing devil's advocate by supporting Mitch Johnson - in part because he's a pretty good bat at #8.

Well its not as if Maxwell, Marsh and Christian look like joke bits and pieces all-rounders like Ronnie Irani, Mark Alleyne, Mark Ealham, Dougie Brown, Dermott Reeve etc etc that England tended to pick with frustrating regularity for like 20+ years, in limited overs cricket.

These are guys are better than that and if they continue to develop, Australia's ODI team can have similar all-rounder depth, similar to South Africa in the late 90s early/early 2000s when they had the likes of Pollock/Klusener/Boje/Hall in their lower-order. Plus Kallis as the top-order all-rounder just like how AUS have Watson for that.

On Doherty, yea everyone had a bad tour to England, but essentially their is a spin bowling issue in Australia.

The same how their was a struggle to find a suitable replacement for Warne/MacGill, until Lyon came along recently and is holding the fort for now.

The same issue is going on since Hogg left. Doherty never really impressed on the international level for me, he was just picked as the best of an average bunch (Hauritz, O'Keefe, Krejza).

Until we can get a spinner who can be a wicket-taking threat like Ajmal or at least a sound defensive option like a Vettori. The ODI team doesn't need to pick a front-line spinner, without it being much of an issue.

 

[sami ullah khan]

Pakistan won comprehensively but it was more down a magical performance from Nasir. I would not bet on any Pakistani opener to repeat this feat too many times against quality oppositions like Australia. Bowling was good though but Misbah's tactic for not going for jugular once again ensure Aussies got to a a good score. Fielding was miserable and we sank further down in that department.
Pakistan have to improve their fielding if we are to beat the Aussies in the last ODI.

 

[Paki007]

Afridi is likely to come back in the last ODI Rehman wasn't impressive at all.Junaid and Anwer Ali would make a good pace attack.Yeah indeed PCB made a blunder by not giving Junaid a chance in World t20.Bowling second could be challenging for us.We must give a chance to our bowlers to defend a decent total.I feel anything 260+ would do the job for us if we bat first

 

[alexczarn]

Well its not as if Maxwell, Marsh and Christian look like joke bits and pieces all-rounders like Ronnie Irani, Mark Alleyne, Mark Ealham, Dougie Brown, Dermott Reeve etc etc that England tended to pick with frustrating regularity for like 20+ years, in limited overs cricket.

These are guys are better than that and if they continue to develop, Australia's ODI team can have similar all-rounder depth, similar to South Africa in the late 90s early/early 2000s when they had the likes of Pollock/Klusener/Boje/Hall in their lower-order. Plus Kallis as the top-order all-rounder just like how AUS have Watson for that.

On Doherty, yea everyone had a bad tour to England, but essentially their is a spin bowling issue in Australia.

The same how their was a struggle to find a suitable replacement for Warne/MacGill, until Lyon came along recently and is holding the fort for now.

The same issue is going on since Hogg left. Doherty never really impressed on the international level for me, he was just picked as the best of an average bunch (Hauritz, O'Keefe, Krejza).

Until we can get a spinner who can be a wicket-taking threat like Ajmal or at least a sound defensive option like a Vettori. The ODI team doesn't need to pick a front-line spinner, without it being much of an issue.

Why not bring Lyon back to oneday cricket!(Or better yet, talk Hoggy back into it!)

 

[Doodlesweaver]

I wonder whether it's because they are putting too much pressure on Warner and Wade to make big scores. Half the interviews I read with Clarke or the Aussie staff talk about how the top order should be getting hundreds. I'm not sure that should be the aim. Eventually, yes. But only if you get past 20 and probably towards 40-50 should you be thinking, 'yeah I'll set myself for a 100 here'.

There's also that awful cliche of 'play your natural game' (the answer to every batsman's problems...), but in ODIs Warner doesn't seem to know what that natural game is, perhaps Wade too. Even when Warner does make a 100, it's been awkward eg. that 100 vs SL in the 2nd final last summer, came off 140 balls and Clarke outscored him badly during their partnership. His 'natural game' radar is especially screwed if the opposition use spinners to him, because even though he'd like to hit out to break the shackles, it seems he also wants to play responsibly. After that, it's just a matter of which voice/instinct speaks louder.

What's the answer? Could try him down the order so he can hit more gaps in the field early in his innings. Could give him a break from ODIs and try and get him more experience in domestic OD matches. Could just drop him outright. Could give him a better, more experienced opening partner eg. Hussey or Watson, which might make him feel less responsibility and make him play a bit more freely (although the Watson/Warner partnership failed hard in WI and England...). I'm not sure what the ultimate solution is, but I think Warner is most likely the key to fixing these issues with the top order - something needs to happen.

Well, your openers need to be making big scores as they are the players who have the chance to face the most balls. I don't think that's a strange thing to be requiring from them. I don't like Warner and Wade together, they appear to not know their own games well enough to be much of a support to each other. They are both caught between sticking and twisting just now and look like they are pretty much panicking when faced with spin.

There is no point in putting Warner down the order as he'd just have to face more spin than he does now. Of course, he might get better at it that way, but would the possibly extended struggles he'd go through there be of any benefit to the team? He's not doing that badly in terms of overall sr and average at opener, so I'd stick with him for now.

No reason to make the wickie the opener though. That seems the usual 'Gilchrist' obsession being carried through to a stupid degree. The English team have suffered from it as well though Kieswetter appears to have finally shaken that off.

 

[badvintage]

I think Pakistan are still going to put tanvir in

 

[Sulaiman7]

Tanvir again in ?

They should put Aizaz Cheema in for Tanvir .

 

[angryangy]

The funny thing about Warner is that out of all the batsmen, probably only Sehwag could provoke such discussion by playing a long, boring innings.

 

[Sulaiman7]

Sehwag plays a intresting innings you know what I mean , but Clarke and Bailey in first Odi were boring .