evertonfan
Chairman of Selectors
Bopara deserves his place, end of. Maybe not more so than Shah, but he still deserves his place.
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So if he doesn't deserve his place as much as Shah, then he shouldn't be in, because Shah should. Eat that!
evertonfan
Chairman of Selectors
This is gash. I resign from arguing. You are teh w1n!!1!
But in all seriousness, it was always going to be either one of them or Rob Key who replaced Vaughan so i'm not too fussed.
But in all seriousness, it was always going to be either one of them or Rob Key who replaced Vaughan so i'm not too fussed.
Well, Andrew Flintoff has a pretty ordinary Test bowling record, would you leave him out though?
I'm not comparing Prior to him btw, just showing that stats mean nothing. Prior is a dangerous opening batsman, who is in excellent form this season. Without a doubt the in-form keeper in the country.
Perhaps an ordinary career record; but since 2004, he has been both statistically and in reality, a very good bowler with 142 wickets at 27.48. He has improved drastically and backed it up over 40 Tests to show that it is more than merely a run of good form - anyone watching him bowl could tell that anyway though, of course.
He has batted in five OD innings, albeit hitting two fifties and a hundred but nonetheless, it is by no means enough to discredit his poor career statistics and poor ODI performances which were just last year and his poor domestic OD performances in 2006 and 2007.
Will_NA
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I'm not judging Bopara on his debut series against Murali and Sri Lanka as that would be ludicrously unfair but Owais Shah has been on the doorstep of a call-up for the last few seasons, has performed regularly and deserves his place ahead of Bopara.
Still has only two 5wi s to his name, that is not good enough. And 11 of his 24 50s have ended before he reached 60, again not good enough. He bowled 40 overs and took just one wicket on his return 1st innings, he can be way too toothless for a supposed very good bowler. His SR of 65 is pretty ordinary
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Bopara played in Sri Lanka with a broken thumb hardly the ideal conditions to play. Someone in england setup clearly have a problem with shah however he shoud be in the side with bopara id pick the following side.
Cook
Strauss
Shah
Pietersen (C) (6)
Bopara (5)
Bell
Prior (WK)
Flintoff (3)
Sidebottom/Jones (depends whos fit at the time) (1)
Anderson
(2)
Panesar (4)
Bowling choice is the number in brackets. Its probably the closest we can get to a balanced side at the moment.
Cook
Strauss
Shah
Pietersen (C) (6)
Bopara (5)
Bell
Prior (WK)
Flintoff (3)
Sidebottom/Jones (depends whos fit at the time) (1)
Anderson
(2)Panesar (4)
Bowling choice is the number in brackets. Its probably the closest we can get to a balanced side at the moment.
I wasn't criticising his ability in the slightest. But your reply has proven my point. Statistics mean very little.
How does it prove that? Sometimes you need to delve a little deeper than career statistics but they are still statistics.
My point was that you can't base a player on statistics. You then filtered those statistics to make your argument. I know that Prior's OD average has increased in the last few seasons. Granted, it isn't brilliant, but it is a poor reflection of a very dangerous opening batsman.
Collingwood50
County Cricketer
Bopara played in Sri Lanka with a broken thumb hardly the ideal conditions to play. Someone in england setup clearly have a problem with shah however he shoud be in the side with bopara id pick the following side.
Cook
Strauss
Shah
Pietersen (C) (6)
Bopara (5)
Bell
Prior (WK)
Flintoff (3)
Sidebottom/Jones (depends whos fit at the time) (1)
Anderson
Panesar (4)
Bowling choice is the number in brackets. Its probably the closest we can get to a balanced side at the moment.
Not being biassed or anything - but Collingwood is one of out best and moset expierienced OD players. But that doen'st mean anything to you young rascels anymore does it? All you care for is six hitting action...In my day......
Stephen Bailey
Executive member
I think it's fairly clear he's talking about the test side.
Add to that Collingwood will be missing a couple of matches anyway because of the ban he picked up at the end of the NZ series.
Collingwood50
County Cricketer
well i'm stupid - i really am
RoboRocks
Chairman of Selectors
Bopara really has a point to prove on Thursday. He was picked because he is a better fielder and can bowl some overs so he's going to have to make a contribution or the press are going to be all over him.
The ODI squad is interesting to say the least. I don't understand Prior's selection since he was dropped for shelling catches in Sri Lanka and also he has an appalling ODI record considering he has opened the batting most of his career with just one 50 in 22 innings. I would of given Mustard another chance since his keeping is very good, in which he can stand up to medium pacers and spinners very well and I think his batting will fire if he gets given a good run in the side.
Samit Patel is a good selection for me. I think someone who could be very useful for England, a batsman who can get through 10 overs of tidy spin. I don't see him getting into the final XI unless you put him in for Bopara.
The ODI squad is interesting to say the least. I don't understand Prior's selection since he was dropped for shelling catches in Sri Lanka and also he has an appalling ODI record considering he has opened the batting most of his career with just one 50 in 22 innings. I would of given Mustard another chance since his keeping is very good, in which he can stand up to medium pacers and spinners very well and I think his batting will fire if he gets given a good run in the side.
Samit Patel is a good selection for me. I think someone who could be very useful for England, a batsman who can get through 10 overs of tidy spin. I don't see him getting into the final XI unless you put him in for Bopara.
