End Game Star Wars Mafia - End Mafia(Surendar) & Third Party (Fake Passport) Won

[Fake Passport]

If that is true, @Jack Ryder - I definitely wouldn't recommend that way in a closed set up. Conditions should have been static and possible if and else conditions would need to be fixed before day 1.

Can you confirm this dynamic win conditions rule changing in background?

I posted that before I thought just claiming was the way to go and trying to maintain the role persona. My role has only changed once with the modkill of Rudi.

 

[surendar]

I posted that before I thought just claiming was the way to go and trying to maintain the role persona. My role has only changed once with the modkill of Rudi.

If that is true, my take on this game would be -

• Varun is a third party aligned mafia having one of the conditions to get something from CaptainCremer. He has consistently linked Captain Cremer in almost all his posts exactly like how FP linked Rudi in all his posts. You cannot consistently link a person like that unless you had some motive to do so. VTs never do that.
• Two people have linked me - El loco and varun, definitely one or both of them are mafia aligned. If above first point is true, then probability of El Loco to be in mafia alignment is also high. He clearly defended Varun in one of the recent posts, when i tried to keep El Loco out of the picture during my replies to Varun.
• A-wing pilot is not convincing VT claim, I would expect some role in the base like FP said. I am not buying Varun's claim either.
• Lastly, I was the first one to strongly support Rudolph as town aligned when El Loco, Varun and FP were going against Rudolph's claim and they were actually lost on what Rudolph was claiming too. If I was Mafia, I will never openly try to support someone like that - am not that foolish enough.

I am convinced with assessment, my lynch on Varun stays.

 

[CremerCurrans]

I would have agreed with all the above if I was the only one to do so. Any reason why you're specifically targeting me when there are more who have exhibited the same behavior?

Which is? If someone is accusing someone, an ambiguous statement such as "I think he made the reasons pretty clear" shouldn't hold a candle. Be specific please.

Perhaps then I'm not as as smart as you then. I think I've said that before too.

Shouldn't it be the accuser's job? The person who is trying to paint me as anti-town ought to show proof. Even if it makes me comes across as scummy, I won't be bothered to heed to general statements such as "reasons are pretty clear".


I don't know is all I can say.

Agreed with what? I'm sorry, not really following.

And I ask again, why specifically me (which is exactly what I had asked before you jumped on me)? I can count at least two persons who haven't posted as much but he goes on to say I'm the only one who hasn't contributed. Double standards?

Lynch: asprin

I'm going to put some pressure on asprin. If Villain had not mentioned him, he likely wouldn't have bothered posting. Then he is questioned by swacker and replies with all this. He is either poorly covering something or doesn't care about what happens in this game.

 

[CremerCurrans]

If you're a vanilla townie, CaptainCremer, it would become easier if you tell us your character too.

At no point have I claimed to be just vanilla town, but my character description is a wookie helping to defend the base.

 

[CremerCurrans]

I am yet to catch up on all posts after my last post here, but to your question, I felt these :
FP and Rudolph had conflicts, you had Rudolph in scum radar and believed him to be mafia, Varun had FP in scum radar and wanted to lynch Rudolph.

Basically you both tagged along in FP's case having each in their respective scum radar and indirectly pushing for lynch behind the scenes. This looked to me as an indirect connection. I felt this vibe while going through your posts.

I was very suspicious of Rudolph, but it was difficult to see past the behaviour so I pulled back; waiting to see what others think first.

I don't think I've been following Fake Passport's case except for questioning Rudolph when he first started behaving strangely. I can guarantee nothing has been going on behind the scenes with varun.

 

[Fake Passport]

Your thoughts on the dialogue regarding Surendar, perhaps?

Just for my own sanity I want to get this thing cleared up with the Modkill and Rudi. I wonder if Ive actually met my win condition and when I say it's changed, JR has actually given me an informal one type thing rather than 1 I need to totally panic about.

I had asked him how he wanted me to play in the event of a Rudi lynch and he said he would come up with something, I'm wondering now if my changed win condition is him actually saying something unofficial.

 

[CremerCurrans]

I'm surprised to see that Rudolph was mod killed, he unfortunately put too much pressure on himself.

He mentioned that he wants to relax more, hopefully he does when plays next.

 

[swacker]

Agreed with what? I'm sorry, not really following.

You would have agreed with whatever Villain said, if only you were one to do. Doesn't that mean you do agree?

I can count at least two persons who haven't posted as much but he goes on to say I'm the only one who hasn't contributed. Double standards?

Surely, who do you think they are?

I'm sure he's mafia, my vote goes likewise. Lynch: surendar

Idk how sure you are with that. Can you prove why he's mafia?

Again you are incorrect, i don't understand what you are trying to say. When and who i asked not to claim or to claim.

It was an opinion, it isn't related with you but is with members in general.[DOUBLEPOST=1500187877][/DOUBLEPOST]

On this one thing I will defend Rudolph, its obvious to me that he is genuinely congratulating us because we are expecting. Hes legit on that...

btw, Congrats

 

[asprin]

You would have agreed with whatever Villain said, if only you were one to do. Doesn't that mean you do agree?

Why would I? I was not the "only" one (see below)

Surely, who do you think they are?

PE (he has asked for his replacement but that happened after you, El Loco and Villain started going after me)
zwarrior (which he himself admitted)

I'm going to put some pressure on asprin.

And what do you expect to come out of it? There has been enough role claiming in this game and I won't do it even if I'm on the verge of being lynched. That's not how I play the game.

 

[CremerCurrans]

And what do you expect to come out of it? There has been enough role claiming in this game and I won't do it even if I'm on the verge of being lynched. That's not how I play the game.

I want you to be involved with the discussion, otheriwse why are you even playing the game?

Do you think El Loco & varun are a mafia team, or are you suspicious of surendar? What are your thoughts on other people in the game?

You shouldn't complain about being picked on when there are inactive players, when you are often inactive or unwilling to join in discussion yourself.

 

[swacker]

PE (he has asked for his replacement but that happened after you, El Loco and Villain started going after me)
zwarrior (which he himself admitted)

You said you could quote at least two.

Lynch asprin

I don't see a valid reason why I shouldn't, for now.

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@Jack Ryder

 

[asprin]

You said you could quote at least two.

Do PE and zwarrior not count as two?

You shouldn't complain about being picked on when there are inactive players, when you are often inactive or unwilling to join in discussion yourself.

I've no problem with being picked on due to what seems like my inactivity. I've an issue with being the only one to be targeted when there are others too. Why are they spared?

 

[CremerCurrans]

I've no problem with being picked on due to what seems like my inactivity. I've an issue with being the only one to be targeted when there are others too. Why are they spared?

If you are referring to Villain & zwarrior then their activity has been less than expected, but at least they try to add to the discussion when they do post.

 

[Fake Passport]

Not to throw wifey under the inactivity bus but she's had an early one. Don't expect her to to post for at least 12 hours.

 

[El Loco]

Just for my own sanity I want to get this thing cleared up with the Modkill and Rudi. I wonder if Ive actually met my win condition and when I say it's changed, JR has actually given me an informal one type thing rather than 1 I need to totally panic about.

I had asked him how he wanted me to play in the event of a Rudi lynch and he said he would come up with something, I'm wondering now if my changed win condition is him actually saying something unofficial.

I accept that you have you own play to sort out but you have a knack of re-focusing attention back to yourself I feel.

• Lastly, I was the first one to strongly support Rudolph as town aligned when El Loco, Varun and FP were going against Rudolph's claim and they were actually lost on what Rudolph was claiming too. If I was Mafia, I will never openly try to support someone like that - am not that foolish enough.

Of course he was town aligned because if you're Mafia you'd pretty much know he was. Anyway, why shouldn't I have a right to be a bit cynical in a way because I have no idea what alignment anyone else is, and all I can do is analyse play. Besides, at most I criticised his play as facetious and unnecessary and you can look back and see that.

As Mafia you know who your buddies are, your going to make the logical decision that anyone other than those in your Mafia nightchat are most likely going to be town, so you're going to correspond with them.
I'm not even quoting to respond directly back to you at this point, it's only to justify my concerns to everybody else.

Don't think everyone gets the full picture here.
In a nutshell, Surendar supported Rudolph as town merely because he mentioned the word 'Sith' in one of his posts. He reasoned to himself that this must automatically make him a townie because apparently nobody else would mention the word without some kind of inside knowledge. However, then he went on to say that he, just as everybody else, was aware of the Sith as soon as he received his role, thereby contradicting himself. Go back and look through his posts to affirm this.
Then, if you want futher proof, go back and look at his excuse for a roleclaim here. Please anybody tell me if they believe this is legit.

The fact that Rudolph has been revealed as town is totally besides the point. If anything it strengthens my case. Surendar's willingness to back somebody on something for such a shoddy reason is so absurd it beggars belief.