End Game Star Wars Mafia - End Mafia(Surendar) & Third Party (Fake Passport) Won

[zwarrior]

Ok guys. I read all posts and I am digging up some old posts. Please bear with me. For some reason, tags are not working (so I have bolded the names to whom I have questions). I have written these points as I was going through all the posts and I have made note of those points during the same time. That's why it may not look sensible, but since I missed lot of things, I felt this is the best way to go. From next post onwards, I will directly quote.

1- Post #274- Varun, you said cremer is town for some reason you did not mention. Mind giving now ? ---- (It is cleared after reading some posts). But varun, isn't there any chance that even mafias could have received characters as nameless ? I feel someone should not be cleared of mafias just by this reason alone.

2- Seeing Surendar's post [HASHTAG]#298[/HASHTAG], I am having doubts on varun and cc alliance too.

3- Again mrspacman, you did not give reason for lynching cc. care to explain why ? I asked you before yet you did not respond. Maybe you missed it ?

4- I see that even swacker cleared them just by seeing nameless characters in post [HASHTAG]#326[/HASHTAG]. Just noting my observations.

5- And I agree to surendar's post [HASHTAG]#347[/HASHTAG]. Just nameless characters is not enough to clear as town. I feel surendar is town here at this point.

6- To Varun #395- So, he claimed vt, and you are lynching him on that reason ? What I mean is, is that one of the reason for you lynching him ? If so, why ? I have a strong feeling that one of varun, cc and el loco are mafias at this point.

7-In post [HASHTAG]#407[/HASHTAG], loco said he had a hunch that rudolph was town, but he didn't post anything that suggested otherwise. This is a classical scummy post.

8- And surendar did post that by replying to me ( about seeing sun, mooon, star) . refer [HASHTAG]#408[/HASHTAG]. But him trying to link that post to his role claimed character is a bit fishy. I had him town but after seeing this post, I am not so sure now. This role claim by surendar has changed my views drastically.

9- To fake, can you clarify what you are claiming ? Did not understand properly. You said JR changed your win condition. So, does it change every time ? And why are you claiming the role now ?

10- I seriously am confused about surendar after seeing [HASHTAG]#422[/HASHTAG]. It is true that cc linked with varun since beginning.

11- [HASHTAG]#423[/HASHTAG], cc lynched asprin. Agreed asprin hasn't posted much ( even me), is that a pressure vote or what ? As far as I see, I dont see any issue with how asprin responded. Same with swacker. ( I am questioning about lynching him)

12- [HASHTAG]#437[/HASHTAG], el loco's post makes valid sense and have me doubt that surendar is mafia,

I am pretty sure one of surendar or varun is mafia. I had surendar as town but since he role claimed and linked it to his first post, I am a bit suspicious on him.

Right now, I have my eyes on Surendar, Varun, Mrs Pacman, FakePassport.

But FOS: Mrs Pacman ( Reason is stated above )

 

[Till Valhalla]

I don't follow. Wasn't that supposed to mean? He lynched me and then tagged you????

As the activity is very good, I was afraid I might miss some post here and there and hence asked everybody to tag me whenever they are Lynching, but nobody did except for him.

 

[Fake Passport]

9- To fake, can you clarify what you are claiming ? Did not understand properly. You said JR changed your win condition. So, does it change every time ? And why are you claiming the role now ?

The tl;dr of it is that I was self aligned 3rd party with the aim goal of lynching Rudolph. Given I hassled him so much in the end he felt the need to claim enough to be modkilled I'm claiming that as a win

JR has given me another win condition though as he confirmed above, as such everything I have said to now can almost be ignored...

 

[zwarrior]

The tl;dr of it is that I was self aligned 3rd party with the aim goal of lynching Rudolph. Given I hassled him so much in the end he felt the need to claim enough to be modkilled I'm claiming that as a win

JR has given me another win condition though as he confirmed above, as such everything I have said to now can almost be ignored...

1- First you claimed, all mafias should be killed without loosing any town was your first role claim. Then when rudolph died, you changed your role claim. Really not sure what to believe.

2- Second, if you manage to lynch rudolph, you win. You did (he was mod killed), and now JR changed your win condition. Now, assuming what you role claimed recently is true ( that is, you win if you manage to lynch someone) , then why do we need you ? For your benefit, you won't even think for a second before lynching another townie. Yes, your win condition could be lynching a mafia too, but we can't really say that. So, if your win condition is managing a lynch on a townie, then you will try your best to lynch a townie and there is no need for you in this game as we can't risk loosing another townie just like rudolph. So, tell me. Why does the town need you ?

 

[zwarrior]

What I am trying to say is, if you what role-claimed is true, then town doesn't need you. You can stab in the back for townies and lynch a townie just like you did with rudolph.

 

[CremerCurrans]

They tried their luck but couldn't find anything solid,

Sounds like the town has at least one investigative role, which was unsuccessful.

the others thought they could jump on him but they undermined him and ensued a battle which went for a long time but in the end he was defeated.

Maybe something from day 2 is being suggested? Also it is hard to tell what undermined might mean. Battle indicates that the mafia attacked him, because he was a Jedi.

asprin is dead. He was Jedi Apprentice.
Day 3 Begins

If there is a Jedi apprentice, then there must be a Jedi master or mentor.

 

[CremerCurrans]

1- First you claimed, all mafias should be killed without loosing any town was your first role claim. Then when rudolph died, you changed your role claim. Really not sure what to believe.

I missed this. We now know that he has made a false claim.

 

[Fake Passport]

On point 1 - I was tunnelling Rudi hard. I needed the town to back me just for that one night. I figured with all the confusion around the intracaies of the thing it seemed like a way to hopfully get backing for one lynch.

Everything up to the modkill needs to be considered with my THEN goals, what I am doing now is a NEW win condition.

On point 2 - I principally offer this quote from JR.

His first condition had him getting Rudolph lynched for reasons I can't tell but him being Mod Killed his win con was snatched away hence I had to give him something different.

As to my 'value', hopfully my actual posting will lock me town. But also give consideration to which team JR would put me on for the balance of the game. Town have had a modkill and a kill against them, were two down, he's not going to strengthen the scum...

 

[surendar]

@zwarrior - if I was mafia, i wouldn't be this stubborn in not to clear one as town based on their common characters. It should have been easy enough to join bandwagon and say, "oh you are A wing pilot? I am also B wing pilot or co-pilot blah blah" and hide under radar.

 

[zwarrior]

On point 1 - I was tunnelling Rudi hard. I needed the town to back me just for that one night. I figured with all the confusion around the intracaies of the thing it seemed like a way to hopfully get backing for one lynch.

Everything up to the modkill needs to be considered with my THEN goals, what I am doing now is a NEW win condition.

On point 2 - I principally offer this quote from JR.


As to my 'value', hopfully my actual posting will lock me town. But also give consideration to which team JR would put me on for the balance of the game. Town have had a modkill and a kill against them, were two down, he's not going to strengthen the scum...

Can't say that. Everything will be randomized. So, I believe he(JR) will pick your target randomly. And yeah. Lynching you will not be beneficial for town, but the town clearly can't trust you at this point because your next target might be some townie itself.. This is all assuming that your recent role claim is indeed 'true'.

Also can you please tell me at which page did Jack post that ? ( The one which you have used his quote in the above post). I have missed that. So,

 

[CremerCurrans]

As to my 'value', hopfully my actual posting will lock me town. But also give consideration to which team JR would put me on for the balance of the game. Town have had a modkill and a kill against them, were two down, he's not going to strengthen the scum...

I remember you describing yourself as town aligned third party, which is one of the reasons why I have supported you. As you have mentioned after losing two town members, we will likely need your help to remove all mafia members.

 

[Fake Passport]

Also - There is something to what I bolded in JRs thing.

I don't think I claimed anything after the modkill thats different to what I was but ll go back through the thread and confirm that...[DOUBLEPOST=1500381464][/DOUBLEPOST]

This is all assuming that your recent role claim is indeed 'true'.

Also can you please tell me at which page did Jack post that ? ( The one which you have used his quote in the above post). I have missed that. So,

I'm on phone in car but it's 'today', or click the little Up arrow should link you to it.

 

[zwarrior]

Also - There is something to what I bolded in JRs thing.

I don't think I claimed anything after the modkill thats different to what I was but ll go back through the thread and confirm that...[DOUBLEPOST=1500381464][/DOUBLEPOST]

I'm on phone in car but it's 'today', or click the little Up arrow should link you to it.

Thanks. I didn't know that.

I remember you describing yourself as town aligned third party, which is one of the reasons why I have supported you. As you have mentioned after losing two town members, we will likely need your help to remove all mafia members.

Just because he described himself as "town aligned third party". But now that Jack has confirmed it, I think it is true. But as I said before, it will be difficult to trust him as he will try to lynch a person whom jack has said to him. And that might affect the town.

 

[zwarrior]

@zwarrior - if I was mafia, i wouldn't be this stubborn in not to clear one as town based on their common characters. It should have been easy enough to join bandwagon and say, "oh you are A wing pilot? I am also B wing pilot or co-pilot blah blah" and hide under radar.

Well. I think someone( Varun maybe?) actually did that. Not the "A wing pilot stuff" but following the nameless character thing. I am not saying what he did was doubtful behaviour, but just noting down that point.

 

[CremerCurrans]

Just because he described himself as "town aligned third party". But now that Jack has confirmed it, I think it is true. But as I said before, it will be difficult to trust him as he will try to lynch a person whom jack has said to him. And that might affect the town.

Yes you're right, however we are stuck with him. We will likely have to look at his descisions more closely.