End Game Star Wars Mafia - End Mafia(Surendar) & Third Party (Fake Passport) Won

[Villain]

Lol, i did not force you - I gave you a last chance to see whether you are a doc. Only he would be bothered to find clues on PR trying to save that person. I still gave benefits of doubt in your favor trying to see whether there are chances for you to be doc.

Really? Won't the mafias kill me the next night if I claim?

 

[swacker]

Aight, I am away for a while if you could believe. Having exams atm, but I am watching the thread be up to date. Haven't posted much, but it doesn't mean you @Varun can just have a lynch on the basis of not taking any risk.

 

[Villain]

Lol, i did not force you - I gave you a last chance to see whether you are a doc. Only he would be bothered to find clues on PR trying to save that person. I still gave benefits of doubt in your favor trying to see whether there are chances for you to be doc.

Adding a lynch when I already have two with no evidence is indirectly forcing me to claim to save myself. Plus you asked me in the open quite directly if I'm a Doc or not. Either you're playing dumb or a bad scum.

 

[surendar]

Really? Won't the mafias kill me the next night if I claim?

After the loss of cop, in my opinion - doc is just a VT. What is he going to save? I am not asking to claim what you are - I was asking whether you are doc(yes/no). I was not even bothered about your role.

 

[Villain]

After the loss of cop, in my opinion - doc is just a VT. What is he going to save? I am not asking to claim what you are - I was asking whether you are doc(yes/no). I was not even bothered about your role.

How are you so sure that there's just a Cop/Doc, it's not a basic setup. Doc is going to save the kill even if it's by saving a VT? You sound like you know too many inside details about the game.

 

[surendar]

How are you so sure that there's just a Cop/Doc, it's not a basic setup. Doc is going to save the kill even if it's by saving a VT? You sound like you know too many inside details about the game.

Its pretty much my guess, there is no way that anyone here can for sure know about full set up details. My guess is - 6 VTs, 2 Mafias, 2 third parties, 2 town PRs( 1 cop, 1 doc ). As JR tried to use one VT(Rudolph) to be a clue for one third party(FP) before the modkill - my guess is one more third party trying to be aligned with mafia as well for some clues.

But irrespective of what one thinks as set up - it is not going to matter.

 

[swacker]

My guess is - 6 VTs, 2 Mafias, 2 third parties, 2 town PRs( 1 cop, 1 doc ).

My initial thought was 3 mafia, and a third party. Surprised we didn't discuss about the set-up when I brought it up earlier in the game.

 

[Villain]

Before this gets all over for the town and hoping just hoping there's a doc in the game and without directly quoting the PM:

I'm a Mad Scientist of the base.
My job is to save the base, I win when Sith is eliminated.

I'm a town role blocker, blocked Asprin on Night 1 got back as successful and we saw no kill on N1. Hence the pressure on him.

I role blocked Fake Passport on Night 2, PM said unsuccessful but still saw a kill on N2. I was still so very unsure about him but I still kept questioning for him to slip and get some details out. Yes @surendar I've always been looking for clues.

 

[surendar]

My initial thought was 3 mafia, and a third party. Surprised we didn't discuss about the set-up when I brought it up earlier in the game.

It can be too. But I feel, there is one more third party in this game hiding in the radar( may be, because he is going to need some clues from Mafia aligned like FP's previous role with a VT ). Not really sure what surprise JR has kept it where.

 

[surendar]

Before this gets all over for the town and hoping just hoping there's a doc in the game and without directly quoting the PM:

I'm a Mad Scientist of the base.
My job is to save the base, I win when Sith is eliminated.

I'm a town role blocker, blocked Asprin on Night 1 got back as successful and we saw no kill on N1. Hence the pressure on him.

I role blocked Fake Passport on Night 2, PM said unsuccessful but still saw a kill on N2. I was still so very unsure about him but I still kept questioning for him to slip and get some details out. Yes @surendar I've always been looking for clues.

This is interesting, am at the least glad that I was able to read you right on trying to hunt for clues.
Unlynch

For now, I am unlynching Villain so that people don't jump to reach majority. This is situation for us to assess whether Villain is speaking the truth. I for sure can tell, he kept looking for clues throughout - I have listed that on my own case and you can also see his ISO. We need to assess this as a group.

@Varun - your thoughts now? I have no clue what mad scientist relates to Star wars as I don't have that knowledge. You always keep guessing Luke, etc etc. Do you believe Villain's claim?

 

[surendar]

At no point have I claimed to be just vanilla town, but my character description is a wookie helping to defend the base.

Interesting that, @CaptainCremer and @Villain are having same goal to save the base. And CC has denied investigating role already in his recent posts. I have a feel, one of these 2 is telling truth and other is not.[DOUBLEPOST=1500655792][/DOUBLEPOST]

My initial thought was 3 mafia, and a third party. Surprised we didn't discuss about the set-up when I brought it up earlier in the game.

@swacker - Who is in your list as mafia? and Why do you think so? It would be helpful for us if you can post on what you think of the situations going on here.

 

[RUDI]

Before this gets all over for the town and hoping just hoping there's a doc in the game and without directly quoting the PM:

I'm a Mad Scientist of the base.
My job is to save the base, I win when Sith is eliminated.

I'm a town role blocker, blocked Asprin on Night 1 got back as successful and we saw no kill on N1. Hence the pressure on him.

I role blocked Fake Passport on Night 2, PM said unsuccessful but still saw a kill on N2. I was still so very unsure about him but I still kept questioning for him to slip and get some details out. Yes @surendar I've always been looking for clues.

Interesting this ^ I am also a scientist on the base - Town aligned

 

[surendar]

Interesting this ^ I am also a scientist on the base - Town aligned

You are also role blocker?

 

[RUDI]

You are also role blocker?

Nope just a vanilla townie.

 

[zwarrior]

I am just seeing where my name is mentioned and picking them. Honestly don't have time to read all posts. I can do that only on Sunday as it's holiday for me and I get break from office. So, sorry if someone else had mentioned me and I missed it.

zwarrior see me and varun as mafia
FOS: zwarrior

Let me tell the reason again, why I saw you and him as mafia. And I saw fake and pacman also as mafia. You missed that.

1. Varun cleared cc as town just by that nameless character thing. He was firm about that. How does he know that mafia does not have the same thing ? Even mafias could have got like that. I feel that statement alone should not put someone as town. And he lynched someone ( I am not sure who it is ) and said that he claimed himself as townie. I am not sure why someone should not do that ? At that point I had doubt that he was mafia along with fake (** which is a whole other story, which will be covered below )

2. I had you as town until you linked that 'watching sun, moon and stuff' thing. When you linked yourself to that initial post, I saw it as a desperate attempt to clear yourself as town. Also, the way el loco explained in one of the posts (please refer my post [HASHTAG]#451[/HASHTAG] for that as I have referenced it there. ) about why he thinks you are acting scummy and that made sense to me. Hence because of these two reasons, I thought of you as mafia.

3. I had pacman as mafia because she lynched cc at the drop of the hat. I questioned her twice, but as fp mentioned, she had her reasons not to come online and hence she went out of my radar.

4. I had fake as mafia. **

i) When he role claimed initially and said that his win condition is that mafias should die without losing townies. I was sure jack wouldn't give something like that and he was fake claiming that role because he knows no one would have gotten that.

ii) Then he again role claimed and said that his win condition is to lynch rudolph.

These two were very doubtful for me. So, I had him as mafia until jack said he is 3rd party.

Zwarrior - The inactivity is genuine, but that doesn't imply anything about his role. Hes very good on not offering much himself but asking alot of questions of others which I've always perceived as a slightly scummy action. I have this niggling feeling hes another 3rd party but dont know why...

I feel I have offered couple of things. ( I know not much but definitely not less than the number of questions I asked.)

I am rooting for zwarrior and villain. Zwarrior for sudden jump regarding FP without any solid reason. He said before his last post, FP is back stabbing town and all, and then he jumped to conclusion FP is harmless. It's extreme jump without solid reason.

Ok. Now, refer my above points on why I said that I had reason to believe why fp as mafia. Now, read below-
I "suddenly" jumped and said he is not harmless because-

1- After rudi was lynched, fake role claimed. At that time, I "jumped" on fp because he wins when he kills a guy who jack tells according to his role claim. So, he is of no use to town. He can manipulate others to vote for that person and lynch him and by that fake will win. We already lost rudi, so I said we dont need fake. Clear ?

2- I "jumped" and said that let's not focus on fake because he does not have ability to kill in night***. He can only try and and get votes for his target and lynch that person. So, if we don't listen to fake, we can avoid that killing. In that way he is harmless and I said "lets focus on fake after some time as he is harmless at this point". Which is true. Because he is not as dangerous as mafia who can kill in night. Now, if that is not a solid reason, I cannot explain anything more than that. Actually, I have already explained this somewhere before too.

3- Now, I dropped that fakeP thing there itself because he was getting irritated about that topic and he flipped out. So, I left it there itself. If you want, I can link you to those posts.

*** -> Now that is assuming he doesnt have night kill and jack gave him some other role.

Plus, he got panicked for inactivity when Rudolph was mentioning in general for the duration between night and day. Question was general, and why zwarrior panicked is weird.

I did not get panicked.

In the last game I played, this "inactivity" was one of the reason I lynched someone. And "inactivity" was not the reason why I lynched that player, it's because I had a theory about that player and I looked at his activity time and lynched because of that. Then many people came and went against me by saying it's not right what I did. But what I really did was to lynch that player because of my theory and not because of inactivity. CK understood my reason (who was the mod of that game) but unfortunately he is not here to explain that.

Now, coming to the point, Rudoph said " Can someone please be so kind to explain why there was this huge time gap between Night 2 and Day 3 ? Did anyone perhaps notice someone being inactive for a long period... it might help assist to see who possibly have a night-role."

So, I said what I said. I received lot of backlash for using that theory ( I did not actually do that) and I am not using that again in any way. So, I replied to rudolph. He said in general, yes. Exactly why I answered. If he had asked some particular individual, I would not have answered it.