Australia Tour Of India 2012/13

[crazyrahul]

Hope tomorrow at least Vijay gets axed and Rahane make in th playing XI

Why MSD is so pity for Bhajji and Vijay

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

I don't think I really said it earlier but I might as well put my money where my mouth is, I think india will win this series comfortably. 3-0 probably, australia might sneak one I guess but I reckon it's likely to be a dead rubber if anything.

not exactly a ground breaking prediction and angy takes most of the credit for articulating the reasons. I just don't think australia have enough practice on these wickets to do india any real harm. people can slag off sehwag, tendulkar and jedeja all they want, they're still far more likely to score tons against a depelted spin attack in india than watson, cowan or henriques are going to off ashwin, harbhajan and jadeja.

 

[Fenil]

If AUS play Doherty in the second test, they might as well surrender the Border-Gavaskar trophy.

They don't have a better second spinner, do they? Maxwell doesn't seem too good while Agar is very raw. Both of them will be carted away by the Indian batsmen. One more thing that goes in Xavier Doherty's favor is that he is a left armer and India have a lot of right handers in the side and almost every Indian batsman including Sachin Tendulkar is known to get into trouble while facing left arm spinners. Probably Doherty can do something like what Monty Panesar did to India in the last series.

 

[aussie1st]

Apparently Matthew Wade is injured? No major media outlets have reported it yet though. No time to fly in a new keeper - Hughes might have to do the job!

If he is there is going to be a massive outroar over not taking a backup keeper despite taking over a 17 man squad. Also going to be a tough road given Hughes is at 3 too. Although if he does well with the gloves who knows maybe Hughes will become the new keeper!

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They don't have a better second spinner, do they? Maxwell doesn't seem too good while Agar is very raw. Both of them will be carted away by the Indian batsmen. One more thing that goes in Xavier Doherty's favor is that he is a left armer and India have a lot of right handers in the side and almost every Indian batsman including Sachin Tendulkar is known to get into trouble while facing left arm spinners. Probably Doherty can do something like what Monty Panesar did to India in the last series.

This guy Steve O'Keefe | Australia Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[War]

They don't have a better second spinner, do they? Maxwell doesn't seem too good while Agar is very raw. Both of them will be carted away by the Indian batsmen. One more thing that goes in Xavier Doherty's favor is that he is a left armer and India have a lot of right handers in the side and almost every Indian batsman including Sachin Tendulkar is known to get into trouble while facing left arm spinners. Probably Doherty can do something like what Monty Panesar did to India in the last series.

People need to be careful, with drawing a comparison with what Panesar did for England in India, to what Doherty can potentially do for Australia if god forbin he is picked.

Lets understand this as i've articulated before from a historical perspective as to what visiting teams have done to win in India.

What Panesar did in partnership with Swann was the first time in India's strong home period in history starting from the 1970s, that two opposition spinners have spun India out in home conditions. Its a rare unique occurrence that would be similar to India winning a series in Australia with a 4-man pace attack.

People seem to forget this, along with the fact that Anderson was the English only seamer who bowled well while the likes of Broad & Bresnan were crap. If Finn was fit & Broad was in better form - Panesar would not have played.

Added to this Panesar is proven test standard & quality first class spinner. Doherty is not. He is poor first-class bowler & average spinner based on ODI/T20 performances.

AUS currently don't have spinners of the calibre of Swann/Panesar & it would be foolish for them to play two spinners @ any point in this series as bryan coverdale on cricinfo noted recently as well - India v Australia, 1st Test, Chennai, 3rd day : More spinners would have made no difference to Australia | Cricket Features | India v Australia | ESPN Cricinfo.

Traditional teams with quality pacers i.e England 76/77 & 84/85, Windies 74/75 & 83/84, S Africa 99/00 & AUS 2004 have won series in India. If AUS are going to do better in this series, Starc & Siddle have to bowl to potential & support Pattinson.

The role of the lone spinner in Lyon (who is average anyway) will simply be to hopefully pick up cheap middle & lower order wickets, once the AUS quicks get top order Indian wickets. If the those pacers fail to combined collectively to do the aforementioned - AUS are doomed & picking a average two man spin attack is not going to help one iota.

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If he is there is going to be a massive outroar over not taking a backup keeper despite taking over a 17 man squad. Also going to be a tough road given Hughes is at 3 too. Although if he does well with the gloves who knows maybe Hughes will become the new keeper!

The selectors should fly in Haddin anyway just in case. Not wishing injury of Wade, but it could be blessing in disguise if he were to miss out. Haddin technically for this series in these conditions i reckon would be a better top 6 batsman/keeper, especially in the middle-order which lacks some solidity in a George Bailey.

Good lord, the more i think of it, its appalling that Bailey is not on this tour. What a blunder!

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I don't think I really said it earlier but I might as well put my money where my mouth is, I think india will win this series comfortably. 3-0 probably, australia might sneak one I guess but I reckon it's likely to be a dead rubber if anything.

not exactly a ground breaking prediction and angy takes most of the credit for articulating the reasons. I just don't think australia have enough practice on these wickets to do india any real harm. people can slag off sehwag, tendulkar and jedeja all they want, they're still far more likely to score tons against a depelted spin attack in india than watson, cowan or henriques are going to off ashwin, harbhajan and jadeja.

Yea deep down after the 1st test i suspect this. This series could end up playing out similarly to the 2008 tour to India, unless AUS step up in key area's in this 2nd test.

It all depends on AUS fast bowlers lifting their game big, because i still think if AUS collectively bat like how Clarke & Henriques did in the 1st test, India's spin attack isn't as lethal in home conditions currently, that AUS bats should be left totally lost against them.

 

[sifter132]

Added to this Panesar is proven test standard & quality first class spinner. Doherty is not. He is poor first-class bowler & average spinner based on ODI/T20 performances.

I like most of what you've said, just wanted to focus on this statement. Monty's rep NOW is a lot better than it was 6 months ago. Hindsight is a beautiful thing. 6 months ago, Monty had played 1 successful Test series in his last 4 years - the 2 Tests he played vs Pakistan in UAE. He was hardly a proven Test bowler. He was potentially going to be a factor in the India series, but if he truly was a proven Test bowler he would have been playing in the 1st Test. I don't think many England fans expected the type of returns that Monty gave them.

The selectors should fly in Haddin anyway just in case. Not wishing injury of Wade, but it could be blessing in disguise if he were to miss out. Haddin technically for this series in these conditions i reckon would be a better top 6 batsman/keeper, especially in the middle-order which lacks some solidity in a George Bailey.

Agree with flying Haddin in. Theoretically at least, he's a better player of spin than Wade given he hits straight and uses his feet pretty well. We haven't always seen that in practice though from Haddin, but he's playing well at present, so it seems to be the best time to see what he can do vs spin. Given it's a long series, and Wade hasn't solidified his spot, Haddin needs to be there to give the selectors an option to change horses if Wade keeps struggling.


As the for the final Aussie XI. I'd be happy with the same XI. Show some confidence in Starc and Hughes and Wade. I wouldn't be too fussed if Doherty came in for Starc though. Lyon hardly set the world on fire last Test, I don't see how Doherty could do much worse. Lyon badly needs to get some maiden overs happening, stop the Indians working the ball so easily and get 6 balls at the one batsmen to work on some things. Only 1 maiden over from Lyon all last Test is astonishing

 

[aussie1st]

I'd fly Paine over, more future value in him and he has that fighting spirit which we are lacking. Not opposed to Haddin over here though, don't have to worry about him playing a wonky shot against the paceman.

 

[Satan666]

Australia in India 2012-13 : Not the '90s again, please | Cricket Features | India v Australia | ESPN Cricinfo

One of the most misleading articles I have read on cricinfo, this fool is under the impression that India are still strong at home, lets get real the present AUS team is inexperienced, even if they win agaisnts them (which I dont think they can in any case) is that an amazing feat? Face the music these guys are also losing miserably at home!

With respect to the series at hand I say play four fast men, bowl wicket to wicket and anialhate the Indian batsmen, if the pitch offers some zip, which I doubt it would thanks to rampant pitch doctoring, finish them off with the short stuff!

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Glen Maxwell debuts, Nathon Lyon is out Pity him

 

[Epic]

India unchanged... I was really hoping Harbhajan's inclusion would be an one-off, but boo hoo, not the case at all.

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It's Ojha's home ground as well, poor him.

 

[Left_Hander]

Our team situation is Perth all over again

 

[sifter132]

Glen Maxwell debuts, Nathon Lyon is out Pity him

Interesting! I was against the idea of Maxwell and Lyon playing in the same team because of their similarity. Dropping Lyon...there's one way to do it Certainly making the bowlers the scape goats for the 1st Test with Starc dropped as well. I'm less excited about Maxwell and Doherty as players, but it gives the team a little more batting, and another spin option - exactly what was missing in the 1st Test, so I'll pass judgement just yet until we see how they go.

 

[Biggy]

And all of a sudden our Test team, is once again, a joke. Watch out India, Glenn Maxwell and Xavier Doherty are here!

 

[Aalay]

First test wicket for B. Kumar.

 

[aussie1st]

Our attack from last test might have been good on this track, its doing a handful atm.