Australia Tour Of India 2012/13

I like your enthusiasm :p but there's no way this team happens. Cowan and Smith will be retained for getting close to 100. Certainly Khawaja at least wouldn't jump over either of them. Wade probably is a good chance to return as well, although I agree with you - I think Haddin's the better option. Henriques may get replaced as well, if Clarke is fit and a spot for Watson needs to be found. Then it might be 3 pacemen + Lyon, with Steve Smith as the 5th option. I'm not sure about Lyon either...I might just play Doherty. He's hardly threatening at all, but Doherty seems to keep the Indians under control a little better, and at this stage of the series that's about all I want out of the spinner - just don't get hammered.

And I'll just add that I still like my Ed Cowan as the new Mike Hussey theory. I think he could be a reasonable #5 for Aus, someone steady until they find someone better. And that would let Watson open again. Watson/Warner/Hughes/Clarke/Cowan/Khawaja - with Watson bowling again - would be my preferred top 6.

If this team doesn't happen, then the selectors would have guaranteed no chance of doing well in the Ashes, even with it already looking bad.

Presuming AUS loose this test regardless of the outcome, the last time AUS were whitewashed in S Africa 1969/70 - they did not make changes by the end of the 1969/70 tour. They kept the same squad for the 70/71 Ashes & lost.

That historical reference is a good indicator of why big chances are needed in this test before this years.

Cowan & Smith are not long term options unfortunately for the Ashes & beyond. Cowan was always a bandage option drafted in because of the top order struggles of Hughes & S Marsh. His body of work (not just his previous innings in Mohali in which he was dropped thrice) has not been good enough. If he keeps playing, it would mean sacrificing Watson as an opener & we can't allow that crap to continue. Watson must open.

Plus to be frank my friend, i see nothing in Cowan even to contemplate him as a middle-order option. He is too limited a player to ever replicate the versatility Hussey showed. Once he is dropped, like Marcus North before him, needs to be sent back to domestic cricket forever.

Smith too is not a long term. I don't anyone can seriously be confident about him playing in the Ashes. So he should be dropped. Past selection panels found crazy reasons to drop Brad Hodge & Michael Slater in the past after performing. Thus letting go limited player like Smith & Cowan should be a piece of cake.

Smith also won't work well in solid 5-man attack. He is a part time spinner. Henriques will be needed just in case on of the main 4-bowlers has a off session/day/innings to fill in the overs & potentially pinch a wicket.

If the 3 quicks bowl to potential & run through the Indian top 6 for once & can get Lyon into the attack with the score around 150/5 or something, he has the wicket-taking ability to get cheap wickets at the end. This was always the role Lyon had to play in this series, since he is no Graeme Swann who Clarke could depend on the lock down & end as a defensive + attacking bowler in IND conditions. If he keeps entering the attack with the openers/top order still batting he will struggle.

Doherty doesn't really tie the IND batsman down - he is a dud. IND batsmen just sit on him because they can. When they want to step up a gear & blast him around, its a easy transition.


and Burns as reserves. Shaun Marsh and George Bailey in discussions as well. Chris Rogers as emergency backup ready to be called up from Middlesex if there are some big problems mid Ashes. Taking Rogers on tour to begin with would just be a sign of a lack of confidence in the younger guys - they don't need that negativity right now.

Australia Cricket News: Australia news: Ed Cowan, George Bailey miss out on Australia contracts | ESPN Cricinfo

Do you recall the Australian contracted list for 2012/13?

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Cricket Australia contracted players Michael Clarke, Pat Cummins, Xavier Doherty, Brad Haddin, Ryan Harris, Ben Hilfenhaus, David Hussey, Michael Hussey, Mitchell Johnson, Nathan Lyon, James Pattinson, Ricky Ponting, Peter Siddle, Mitchell Starc, Matthew Wade, Shane Watson, David Warner.

As you may recall & see, none of the talented young batsmen, even guys like Cowan or ODI regulars Bailey or D Hussey got contracted.

So negativity/lack of confidence has been around about the young players has been around all the time. Inverarity & Arthur did this to deliberately challenge the talented young batsmen to score heavily in the shield seasons & they have not reacted.

They even as you know hid Hughes for S Africa & went for what they perceived as the experience in Rob Quiney.

Thus if they award Rogers for example an Ashes place it will be rewarding him on merit because despite age is one of the best batsmen in AUS right now. Very simple. And picking him would also be consistent with the selectors reasoning, which in recent months has left much to be desired.

AUS used to have guys scoring thousands of runs season after season but couldn't get a call up. Those young players have to make compelling cases of similar ilk.

No sense backing all the young players over some solid experience players, just because they young.

Learn from 1969/70 & Ashes 70/71.
 
at least the issue is out there and so hopefully they at least think about bringing someone else. it might not be the worst idea in the world eve, india surely have to pick 3 quick bowlers, india aren't going to find 3 decent quicks for south africa, and if they did most of them will probably get injured during the tour.

the batting looks strong, and if none of kohli, pujara, dhawan, vijay, dhoni, tendulkar (or say rahane if tendulkar has retired) are going to make runs then there's little reason to assume the next bloke in will, being that he's bringing just as little experience to seaming conditions as them. not particularly sure if india are 100-5 they're going to be rescued by tiwary.

It probably would have been a bit more reassuring had jadeja performed with the bat, even a couple of 50s, but I can see a positive side to bringing an option that lets them bowl two wicket taking spinners. even if that makes absolutely no sense on grassy pitches in south africa.

that however is an option I wouldn't be prepared to bet on working out.
 
Do you recall the Australian contracted list for 2012/13?

As you may recall & see, none of the talented young batsmen, even guys like Cowan or ODI regulars Bailey or D Hussey got contracted.

So negativity/lack of confidence has been around about the young players has been around all the time. Inverarity & Arthur did this to deliberately challenge the talented young batsmen to score heavily in the shield seasons & they have not reacted.

They even as you know hid Hughes for S Africa & went for what they perceived as the experience in Rob Quiney.

Thus if they award Rogers for example an Ashes place it will be rewarding him on merit because despite age is one of the best batsmen in AUS right now. Very simple. And picking him would also be consistent with the selectors reasoning, which in recent months has left much to be desired.

AUS used to have guys scoring thousands of runs season after season but couldn't get a call up. Those young players have to make compelling cases of similar ilk.

Well I think the guys that were dropped have done pretty well since they were left off the contracts list. (Which was a good move BTW - I definitely support selection based on domestic performance.) Hughes and Khawaja had good starts to the Shield season this summer - (and both went to England and did well in the winter). Hughes kept going once he hit the Aussie squad, Khawaja hit a wall but deserved his recall at least.

Had a big anti-Chris Rogers thing ready to post but I can't be bothered :p Let's just say he hasn't averaged over 50 in Australia since 2008/09.

And it seems Shane Watson will captain today - good. I'll be interested to see if his defensive captaincy is a bit better than MJ Clarke's. (Or maybe Aussies won't need it!!:p) Clarke gets lauded for being constantly attacking and having plenty of ideas, but that's not what Test cricket is always about. India ran away with the 3rd Test with that big opening stand. If Clarke had found a way to stem the flow or runs earlier, Aussies would have had a draw or maybe it would have forced Dhawan to change gears.
 
I like the idea of chris rogers really, just might make the dressing room a bit more grown up. also, he's only just not averaging 50, but it's the 3 100s to 1 50 this year that I like. Cowan, hughes and watson (and marsh and khawaja domestically) have had a real problem converting starts and that's always going to amount to problems at test level.

(this is just from a glance at the top run scorer board from the shield mind, beyond that I have no idea how they're all playing)
 
I'd still take him on tour, but keep him on the bench.

Seeing the current South African pitches where pitches turn more nowadays, he could be good in the side. As it is he is used for his bowling and any runs under him would be good enough.

We could see this lineup for South African tour

Gambhir/Dhawan - Still inclined towards experience of Gambhir
Vijay
Pujara
Tendulkar - Last series for him for sure
Kohli
Dhoni
Jadeja
Ashwin/Ojha
Kumar
Yadav
Khan
 
We could see this lineup for South African tour

Gambhir/Dhawan - Still inclined towards experience of Gambhir
Vijay
Pujara
Tendulkar - Last series for him for sure
Kohli
Dhoni
Jadeja
Ashwin/Ojha
Kumar
Yadav
Khan

Interesting as an Indian you see the SA tour being the last series for Sachin, surely he owes the billion plus worshippers a final farewell on home soil, and a good opportunity for this is the last test in this series against the Aussies!
 
Rahane debuts, Warner out for 0. Already a lot happening
 

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