Greatest Opening Batsman of all time?

[langerrox]

Listen up, and read carefully kid, Tendulkar was a full time opening batsman for ODI's. For the first 30-40 innings, he went at no.4 and did not fair to well, only after opening, he became the great he is now. I never once stated that Tendulkar was an oening test batsman, in fact I said he was not.
My previous posts have concerned only ODI...DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Right... so the GREATEST OF ALL TIME can just open in one form of the game and still be the GREATEST OF ALL TIME?

SO WHO is the greatest opening batsman all time...IN ODI's? You keep saying he's not, but I want to know who is...Tell me, and again i will get cold stats to shut your trap.

Lol.. okay change the whole question but sure. Adam Gilchrist is the most influencial ODI opening batsman of all time. How do you measure "Greatness"? Stats don't tell the tale there are too many other factors.

Kid your argument is so bloody weak its not even funny

right, my arguement is weak, but your last post just goes agaisnt everything you've posted in the thread, and infact disqualifies Tendulkar from the award of being the GREATEST OF ALL TIME

l2argue
Have a nice day

 

[Helpman]

This is a retarded thread.

 

[rickyp]

thanks for your trully influential and spectacular comments, IMO

hayden for tests
gilchrist for odi's

call me biased but i think a fair few will agree with me

 

[prarara]

Hmm, I'd say Gavaskar for Tests and Tendulkar for ODIs.

The indians on here aren't moronic? Hah, they sure seem like it....

This moronic Indian feels that however moronic his ideas are, they are still worthy enough to be voiced.

 

[angryangy]

This is a retarded thread.

oh yeah

 

[Ritwik]

Based on performance, technique, kind of bowling attacks faced, kind of pressure surmounted and in terms of overall influence in terms of motivating team mates and scaring the opposition, Sunil Gavaskar is the greatest test opening batsman of all time ("He is the best batsman I've ever seen" - Clive Lloyd) and Sachin Tendulkar is the best ODI opening batsman of all time.

As far as the Tendulkar/Hayden debate is concerned, Hayden is a miles better test match opening batsman (but since Tendulkar doesn't open in tests and has never been a test opener, it is like saying that Michael Schumacker is a better driver than Muhammad Ali, which of course he is. Those who say that "the greatest of all time shouldn't be scared of opening in tests" have a very peripheral understanding of cricket and don't know that test opener is a specialist's position). As far as ODI cricket is concerned, the gap between Tendulkar and Hayden is yawning in the former's favour.

 

[nightprowler10]

thanks for your trully influential and spectacular comments, IMO

hayden for tests
gilchrist for odi's

call me biased but i think a fair few will agree with me

They're both spectacular as openers, but not the best for me.

 

[zreh]

Right... so the GREATEST OF ALL TIME can just open in one form of the game and still be the GREATEST OF ALL TIME?

Lol.. okay change the whole question but sure. Adam Gilchrist is the most influencial ODI opening batsman of all time. How do you measure "Greatness"? Stats don't tell the tale there are too many other factors.

right, my arguement is weak, but your last post just goes agaisnt everything you've posted in the thread, and infact disqualifies Tendulkar from the award of being the GREATEST OF ALL TIME

l2argue
Have a nice day

I guess you have not carefully read a single one of my posts....so let me put this in all capitals, to make you understand...

SACHIN TENDULKAR IS THE GREATEST ODI OPENING BATSMAN OF ALL TIME, JUST ODI'S, NOT F****** TEST'S.

AGAIN IF YOU TELL ME HE IS NOT, THEN NAME ME A BETTER ODI OPENING BATSMAN, AND ONCE AGAIN I WILL PROVE WHY YOUR CLUELESS...

have a nice day

 

[langerrox]

I guess you have not carefully read a single one of my posts....so let me put this in all capitals, to make you understand...

SACHIN TENDULKAR IS THE GREATEST ODI OPENING BATSMAN OF ALL TIME, JUST ODI'S, NOT F****** TEST'S.

AGAIN IF YOU TELL ME HE IS NOT, THEN NAME ME A BETTER ODI OPENING BATSMAN, AND ONCE AGAIN I WILL PROVE WHY YOUR CLUELESS...

have a nice day

omfg... you are clueless kid, I don't know how many times it has to be said. GILCHRIST IS THE GREATEST ODI OPENING BATSMAN OF ALL TIME IT HAS BEEN PROVEN BY MANY EX-PLAYERS, ARTICLES AND CRICKET COMMENTATORS!! im not being biased, I dont even like gilchrist...

wow ive answered the question youve re-asked and its been re-answered many times, and i wonder why you argue that tendulkar is better than hayden when wdfu stated his talking TEST MATCHES. god im not even going to bother replying to you.

 

[zreh]

omfg... you are clueless kid, I don't know how many times it has to be said. GILCHRIST IS THE GREATEST ODI OPENING BATSMAN OF ALL TIME IT HAS BEEN PROVEN BY MANY EX-PLAYERS, ARTICLES AND CRICKET COMMENTATORS!! im not being biased, I dont even like gilchrist...

wow ive answered the question youve re-asked and its been re-answered many times, and i wonder why you argue that tendulkar is better than hayden when wdfu stated his talking TEST MATCHES. god im not even going to bother replying to you.

"Gilchrist is the best opening batsman of all time, because it has been proven by ex-players, articles, and cricket commentators"

WOW! You get a cookie for such a strong and convincing argument...you surely proved me wrong!!! :

Funny, I have never heard a single ex-player, or read any article, or heard any commentator say that Gilchrist is the greatest opening batsman of all time...So how about you find 1, and im only asking for 1 quote, or an article...thats all I want. God you are pathetic...

Another thing, so if a commentator or an explayer says that Gilchrist is the best, that means he is the best huh? Because they know for sure...

Let me tell you what I know and what the world know's, I'm going to make you eat your words kid...

Time to break out the raw stats! This is going to be fun!

ODI's:

Adam Gilchrist:

Runs: 8233 Highestscore: 172 Average: 36.42 Strikerate: 96.76 100's: 14 50's: 45

very good stats indeed, Gilchrist was a great opener, now let me show you how Tendulkar was that much better....

Sachin Tendulkar:

Runs: 14148 Highestscore: 186 Average: 44.21 Strikerate: 85.97 100's: 39
50's: 72

Ofcourse Gilchrist has not played as many games, but lets see if he had played as many games what his stats would be like, keeping Gilchrist's average of 36.42...

If Tendulkar and Gilchrist would have played the same amount of games, Gilchrist would still be 3000 runs short of tendulkars total tally of ODI runs.
If they played the same amount of games, Gilchrist would 21 hundreds, still a huge 18 hundreds short of Tendulkar. Gilchrist would also have 67 fifties, still short by 5 fifties. And this is if he continued the same way he played many years ago, now I highly doubt it, since Gilchrist's form has started to declined, and rightfully so, he's getting older.

This is not to mention the intense pressure Tendulkar faces each time he comes out to bat, The pressure Gilchrist faces doesn't even come remotely close, not to mention that Gilchrist has never had to face his teams bowling, I'm sure Tendulkar would have feasted on the weak Indian bowling that accompanied him on the team, but even putting all these things aside, and just looking at the facts, Tendulkar wins by a mile.

Another argument that you braught up just got crushed. Buddy you're making yourself look stupid, just quit before I embarrass you further!

 

[andrew_nixon]

This is your final warning to calm down. This warning applies to everybody.

 

[Brian Lara_06]

Greatest opening batsman off all time must be Adam Gilchrist or Matthew Hayden

 

[Darrend1234]

Len Hutton's statistics are pretty impressive as an opener so I'd have to say Sir Len.

 

[Sureshot]

zreh, most people say that Gilly is the most destructive opening batsman in ODIs of all time.

 

[zreh]

zreh, most people say that Gilly is the most destructive opening batsman in ODIs of all time.

Destructive? Sure!, I agree with them, and he was a great ODI opening bat, no doubt about it....But the best? ...NO! And statistics prove that, Tendulkar was the best ODI opening batsman of all time, Yes Gilchrist was more destructive, but Tendulkar was clearly better, as his superior numbers indicate. Let me remind you that Tendulkar was also very aggressive, he scored quick, but had that added pressure around him that if he lost his wicket, the team would crumble, I've lost count the number of times Sachin has rescued India from defeat, and single handedly carried the team on his back. Gilchrist really never had that pressure...