Group C - Canada, England, Kenya, New Zealand

[irottev]

That 'way superior batting line up' struggled to get to 200, yet we were looking like 300 and that was coasting through the middle taking no risks. I don't know what you meant about your last comment either, their bowling is better then our batting. Doesn't make sense.

Fleming is miles ahead of Vaughan. The statistics show that comfortably.

Oram and Flintoff can;t really be compared. Oram is a better batsman, Flintoff is a better bowler. I think calling them even as Aussie did is a fair call. Flintoff hasn't been putting in the strong all-round performances lately.

And I don't think any team is out after 1 loss. Englard are still in it, they'll make the Super 8's. There are weaker sides in this tournament then them. They have a shot at making a semi.

 

[aussie_ben91]

Yeah, I'm puzzled how that one worked out. :

 

[sohum]

Fleming is miles better than Vaughan, in my opinion. How can you compare a player who still has not scored an ODI century (despite having opened the batting on many occasions), with one of the steeliest captains in world cricket, today?

 

[Hooper]

Fleming is miles better than Vaughan, in my opinion. How can you compare a player who still has not scored an ODI century (despite having opened the batting on many occasions), with one of the steeliest captains in world cricket, today?

I agree...Vaughan has had many oppurtunities to post big hundreds...And to think that his highest score of 90* was against a minnow.

 

[aussie_ben91]

Fleming is miles better than Vaughan, in my opinion. How can you compare a player who still has not scored an ODI century (despite having opened the batting on many occasions), with one of the steeliest captains in world cricket, today?

What's being a captain got to do with batting? You want to talk about lack of centuries, what about Flemming? Played over 100 tests and hasn't even reached 10 centuries yet. Flemming also opens the batting in ODI and usually goes through patches without making a century moreso then Vaughan.
When both at their best, Flemming doesn't even come close to Vaughan.

 

[surendar]

As far as I watched, I wud rate Fleming slightly higher than Vaughan in captaincy. I always like Fleming's, Vaughany's, Smith's & Lara's captaincy.

Well, in yesterday's match, it was a great display from Kiwis. Inspite of failure from top order, Oram & Styris did well. First step of success in lifting the trophy!

 

[kodos]

What's being a captain got to do with batting? You want to talk about lack of centuries, what about Flemming? Played over 100 tests and hasn't even reached 10 centuries yet. Flemming also opens the batting in ODI and usually goes through patches without making a century moreso then Vaughan.
When both at their best, Flemming doesn't even come close to Vaughan.

When Vaughan is free flowing, playing his natural game and at his best I would certainly rate him ahead of Fleming. Only problem is that he rarely finds his best touch which is a real shame.

 

[irottev]

Fleming is a better batsman then Vaughan in ODI's by a mile. His average is about 5-6 runs better and he has a better strike rate. Vaughan has played much less matches, but no centuries for an opener after 78 ODI's is pathetic to be quite honest.

In the test arena, the averages are simular but of course Vaughans is better by about 3-4 runs. Still, Vaughan hasn't posted 200 yet, Fleming has on a handfull of occasions. Most of those 9 hundreds ended up being quite big. I'll accept Vaughan as a better test batsman, but defiantly not a better ODI batsman absolutly NOT and definatly not a better captain.

Thats the end for me, it's really up to personal opinion, but I think you'll find the stats back my argument nicely. This whole x is better then x is pretty pathetic.

You make the comment when Vaughan is in good form. What about Fleming? What about his 274* score in that test. He aint in the best form recently, but if he does get into form then watch him. He plays some beautiful shots.

 

[Cricketman]

Yeah,
I think Fleming is ahead by a miles and then some in terms of Captaincy, with ANYONE. He's the best Captain atm for a while now, (YES BETTER THAN POOPTING[]). He's a better ODI batsman, Vaughn just throws his wicket away when he gets going and when hsi team needs him most. I think the stats prove that.
In tests i'm not too sure, again just like irrotev i'd go with Vaughn, as a TEST batsman.

 

[icyman]

Actually i was surprised when Vaughan got the captaincy after Hussain.
I thought Tresco will get it,but even Strauss is a better captain in ODI's than Vaughan.
Basically,people have been steroe-typed aginst Vaughan as a test player only.

 

[evertonfan]

I never expected us to beat New Zealand anyway. They have the better team by far and England's one day team is terrible apart from that brief uncharacteristic series win last month. England will beat Canada and Kenya and i'm absolutely sure of that but you can see the gap between England and the rest of teams above us is that they thump their minnow opponents in a canter, whereas England win in a slow, stuttery and uncomfortable manner.

 

[Leicester Fox]

I know it's too late now but after the world cup the selectors have to give Cook a chance again,he was fine before and he's one of the only players who doesn't throw teir wicket away.

 

[evertonfan]

He only played two games so I don't know how your judging is so certain!

I agree though, he played well against Sri Lanka during the maulings.

 

[Leicester Fox]

He only played two games so I don't know how your judging is so certain!

I agree though, he played well against Sri Lanka during the maulings.

in test matches though he will always fight when we lose wickets and he is obviously a talented player,i can't imagine having another Vaughan in ODI's

 

[cric_craze]

english players are being fined for going to a night club following their 6 wicket defeat

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