I actually quite like that side you picked, that would please me. But I would have Vincent over Taylor purely because of inexperiance and at least Vincent has been out in the middle. It is a big match. It also means Astle can come at 3. He seems happier there.
ICCCT2006: 1st Semi Final - Aus v NZ
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angryangy
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Fleming is no. 2 on Lee's list of ODI scalps. Mind you, Astle is no. 6 on McGrath's list, they might as well give up now and open with Vettori and Mills. 
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In their last 10 head-to-heads, Fleming has scored 223 runs at an average of 22.3, with a high score of 50 and Lee has been his destroyer 5 times (out of 6 for his career). Ominous signs for the clean shaven left hander.
:In their last 10 head-to-heads, Fleming has scored 223 runs at an average of 22.3, with a high score of 50 and Lee has been his destroyer 5 times (out of 6 for his career). Ominous signs for the clean shaven left hander.
wolf
International Cricketer
irottev said:
Maybe he means either the Bond who arrives injured or the Bond fit and raring to go.
Gibbsrules
Club Cricketer
irottev said:
You obviously don't remember the ODI series down here in SA do you?
m_vaughan
Chairman of Selectors
Point is even if he is hit for a few runs, he will always be in the hunt for a wicket. Take the match against Pakistan for example, where he dint have a particular good first spell but came back so strong in the second.
Underestimate Bond at your own peril!!
Nevertheless I think the Aussies are going to up their game once again and win this. NZ are a quality side and very capable of beating the World champions but.....
Underestimate Bond at your own peril!!
Nevertheless I think the Aussies are going to up their game once again and win this. NZ are a quality side and very capable of beating the World champions but.....
Octavius
Club Cricketer
NZ has so many guys who are real grafters and they will die trying theres no doubt about that. BUt i seriously doubt anyone will stop the aussies they look in ominous form.
Yeah you are right..however Fleming is very much a confidence player and he will feel getting through to the semis is an achievment in its own right with the way this comp has gone. I think the Blackcaps have nothing to lose and the Aussies have everything to lose (and anyone who says they dont want to win this is dreaming..its their only major trophy missing from the cabinet).
I am not going to say the Blackcaps are going to win this, but aussie is going to have to play somewhere near their best.
Fleming, if he can stop himself from falling over to the offside and ride out the first spell, will post 50+ and Astle is starting to look in great form, hes middling a lot, but the aussies have a good plan of attack to him (bowl straight!).
Vincent is hoplessly out of touch at the moment (the pressure of expectation on the back of his county success)
Hamish Marshall is looking much improved over last season, but is still prone to nicking a good delivery, just wish his hands wouldnt follow the ball!
Peter Fulton has tonnes of ability, but his confidence is down a little from the start of his career, hopefully he can lift and get a good 50.
Styris is the teams heart, he is a total grafter who will dig in tough, but injury is holding him up. If he plays fit enough he could be a thorn in the aussies side.
Ross Taylor is the most exciting batting prospect ive seen since Matty Sinclair (although he never settled into his role). He is pure hand eye and power, with some good clean strokes to all parts, i think he could be developed as a Sehwag variant, even bowling a little spin to share a few over s around on slower or dryer tracks. But NZ coaches/selectors wont have the balls to play him iat this stage of the tourney (i think Styris has to go home for him to play). Watch this guy for the future, my pick is he'll get some tri nations games in aussie, and then feature in the WC 07.
Jacob Oram is starting to find a little form with the bat again, and his bowling is steady as ever. He can lend a lift to the scoring as long as he isnt asked to do too much early batting.
Brendon McCullum loves bringing it to the aussies, and he will be giving it 200%
Daniel Vettori, hasnt been batting all that great lately, and even his bowling hasnt dominated taking wickets like he used to. But the Aussies have shown him a lot of respecdt in the past and hopefully this will give him an edge to capitalise.
Jeetan Patel should be a permanent fixture in the side already, he is a match winning bowler who can get a lot of spin and has great deceiving flight, he can also club the ball if needed, he is certainly going to develop into a WC player as long as the coaching staff give him the confidence he will need.
Having a spin bowler as coach will no doubt help this kid develop (although he's already better than braces ever was).
Kyle Mills is without doubt NZ's greatest improver over the last two seasons, he has developed accuracy and variation that will continue to have him moving up the world bowling rankings.
Shane Bond is without doubt our star player, and when fully fit and firing he is devastating, especially against the best. I just hope he has hit his straps at the right time, the Pakistan game showed signs of rust, but he started to outhink the batsmen in his second spell, which is very encouraging. He is a very smart bowler who has dropped his pace down a touch to raise accuracy and is reaping the rewards, when he is fully fit and firing you will start seeing him bowl consistent 92mph with great accuracy and late swing.
It will be interesting to watch Lee vs Bond.
James Franklin is a filler bowler for my mind. He lacks the accuracy required for his pace. He will be the weak link if he plays, although he is a underrated batsman, definitely an allrounder for the future.
angryangy said:Fleming is no. 2 on Lee's list of ODI scalps. Mind you, Astle is no. 6 on McGrath's list, they might as well give up now and open with Vettori and Mills.
In their last 10 head-to-heads, Fleming has scored 223 runs at an average of 22.3, with a high score of 50 and Lee has been his destroyer 5 times (out of 6 for his career). Ominous signs for the clean shaven left hander.
Yeah you are right..however Fleming is very much a confidence player and he will feel getting through to the semis is an achievment in its own right with the way this comp has gone. I think the Blackcaps have nothing to lose and the Aussies have everything to lose (and anyone who says they dont want to win this is dreaming..its their only major trophy missing from the cabinet).
I am not going to say the Blackcaps are going to win this, but aussie is going to have to play somewhere near their best.
Fleming, if he can stop himself from falling over to the offside and ride out the first spell, will post 50+ and Astle is starting to look in great form, hes middling a lot, but the aussies have a good plan of attack to him (bowl straight!).
Vincent is hoplessly out of touch at the moment (the pressure of expectation on the back of his county success)
Hamish Marshall is looking much improved over last season, but is still prone to nicking a good delivery, just wish his hands wouldnt follow the ball!
Peter Fulton has tonnes of ability, but his confidence is down a little from the start of his career, hopefully he can lift and get a good 50.
Styris is the teams heart, he is a total grafter who will dig in tough, but injury is holding him up. If he plays fit enough he could be a thorn in the aussies side.
Ross Taylor is the most exciting batting prospect ive seen since Matty Sinclair (although he never settled into his role). He is pure hand eye and power, with some good clean strokes to all parts, i think he could be developed as a Sehwag variant, even bowling a little spin to share a few over s around on slower or dryer tracks. But NZ coaches/selectors wont have the balls to play him iat this stage of the tourney (i think Styris has to go home for him to play). Watch this guy for the future, my pick is he'll get some tri nations games in aussie, and then feature in the WC 07.
Jacob Oram is starting to find a little form with the bat again, and his bowling is steady as ever. He can lend a lift to the scoring as long as he isnt asked to do too much early batting.
Brendon McCullum loves bringing it to the aussies, and he will be giving it 200%
Daniel Vettori, hasnt been batting all that great lately, and even his bowling hasnt dominated taking wickets like he used to. But the Aussies have shown him a lot of respecdt in the past and hopefully this will give him an edge to capitalise.
Jeetan Patel should be a permanent fixture in the side already, he is a match winning bowler who can get a lot of spin and has great deceiving flight, he can also club the ball if needed, he is certainly going to develop into a WC player as long as the coaching staff give him the confidence he will need.
Having a spin bowler as coach will no doubt help this kid develop (although he's already better than braces ever was).
Kyle Mills is without doubt NZ's greatest improver over the last two seasons, he has developed accuracy and variation that will continue to have him moving up the world bowling rankings.
Shane Bond is without doubt our star player, and when fully fit and firing he is devastating, especially against the best. I just hope he has hit his straps at the right time, the Pakistan game showed signs of rust, but he started to outhink the batsmen in his second spell, which is very encouraging. He is a very smart bowler who has dropped his pace down a touch to raise accuracy and is reaping the rewards, when he is fully fit and firing you will start seeing him bowl consistent 92mph with great accuracy and late swing.
It will be interesting to watch Lee vs Bond.
James Franklin is a filler bowler for my mind. He lacks the accuracy required for his pace. He will be the weak link if he plays, although he is a underrated batsman, definitely an allrounder for the future.
Octavius said:
hmm im not soo sure i would say lee is much consistent due to bond being injured, lee's last game against india he displayed an awesome comeback. his really impressed me in the last year ever since last years ashes
franklin only really seems handful of bowler freindly wickets, really. i would rather have someone like mason or ian butler instead of him
i think we should play 2 spinners against australia, both our spinners are quality with patel getting better and better
I never knew you guys brought over Taylor, hes much more better than Fulton and should have been used ahead of him.
The Kiwis will definitely play 2 spinners as we slow down majorly against any sort of spinners. The key will be the opening bowlers cause if we get of to a flyer again then there is less pressure on needing to smash the spinners in the middle overs.
The Kiwis will definitely play 2 spinners as we slow down majorly against any sort of spinners. The key will be the opening bowlers cause if we get of to a flyer again then there is less pressure on needing to smash the spinners in the middle overs.
angryangy
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This is somewhat true about the spinners (though I tend to think it's mainly been Martyn dropping anchor en route to an easy total) which is why Gilchrist is crucial, he is known to take on Vettori, it's perhaps an underrated battle in the world of cricket. Clarke also enjoys scoring against the spinners, but in a more graceful way that could prove a match winner.
On Fleming vs Lee again, I simply think if Fleming takes the first ball, he will be the first victim. I don't think any factor, confidence, technique or what have you, other than a mother lode of good fortune will get Fleming to a big score.
Interesting opinions of Jeetan Patel, I've often said that NZ would be better off in Test cricket with a second spinner who can bowl tight than a third paceman who chucks pies. Even if it doesn't pay off directly, keeping the runs below 3 an over gives the team a better chance of working out important wickets or just taking away the prospect of an easy win, especially against Australia.
On Fleming vs Lee again, I simply think if Fleming takes the first ball, he will be the first victim. I don't think any factor, confidence, technique or what have you, other than a mother lode of good fortune will get Fleming to a big score.
Interesting opinions of Jeetan Patel, I've often said that NZ would be better off in Test cricket with a second spinner who can bowl tight than a third paceman who chucks pies. Even if it doesn't pay off directly, keeping the runs below 3 an over gives the team a better chance of working out important wickets or just taking away the prospect of an easy win, especially against Australia.
Gibbsrules said:
You are right. His average is 35 against South Africa. 1 series when he was just back from injury with hot climate with a funny altitude. I remember that. He still got a few wickets. The third ODI he went for 7 rpo with only 1 wicket, most of which came at the death to batsmen who have nothing to lose. It happens from time to time. Bowlers like Lee are unable to bowl at the death because of it.
Every bowler has a few bad games. Bond is the most consistant pace bowler I can name of apart from of course McGrath.
@ Aussie: Fulton got 2 bad decisions from what I could see. He averages 45 and is a batsman who scores at a quick rate and scores hundreds. I think he deserves his place. I do like Taylor, but this isn't the time. When SL come I wouldn't mind seeing him in action.
Jazz, I don't know the situation on Butler, but I highly doubt he would be a good idea to play international cricket. Mason is a bowler who is economical rather than wicket taking. At least Franklin can get swing. I so agree a little. He is a little inconsistant but he is improving. He is a good batsman also, so having him as an all-rounder is handy.
We will see angry how Fleming fares. I don't think you can make such a big statement like that. You could say the same for Bond vs Ponting but who knows.
cricketmad09
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The Australian team should be
Gilchrist
Watson
Ponting
Symonds
Martyn
Clarke
Hussey
Hogg
Lee
Bracken
McGrath
Time to give Hogg, the better bowler, a go over Johnson, now that we are into the finals.
Gilchrist
Watson
Ponting
Symonds
Martyn
Clarke
Hussey
Hogg
Lee
Bracken
McGrath
Time to give Hogg, the better bowler, a go over Johnson, now that we are into the finals.
angryangy
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This is perhaps true, in six matches, Bond has defeated Ponting six times, Ponting with an average of 17.83 runs in these matches. Of course, the last match was 3 years ago, so it's not much of a current assessment.irottev said:
I don't think it's that big a statement, openers are often done by the new ball and he's probably due for a low score anyway.
Bond is actually fine. I don't know where you heard that.
He had a slight hamstring strain in the last match but since then he has been fine at practice. Should be right by tomorrow. From what I have heard of the back he came through the 10 overs fine and it held up well.
And Styris is out yeah. Well 97%. He isn't out of the squad for this match though so Taylor won't be in the mix.
He had a slight hamstring strain in the last match but since then he has been fine at practice. Should be right by tomorrow. From what I have heard of the back he came through the 10 overs fine and it held up well.
And Styris is out yeah. Well 97%. He isn't out of the squad for this match though so Taylor won't be in the mix.
genghis_khan
International Cricketer
I think you're all going overboard with this whole "Bond Factor" thing i mean come on the guy has hardly played any cricket in the last 3 years and hes about to come up against the strongest batting lineup in limited overs cricket.
As for the result i think the Australians should overpower the kiwis, nz always put in a good performance against their "older brother" but australia have had the wood over them recently and really seem to be hungry to win this tournament.
As for the result i think the Australians should overpower the kiwis, nz always put in a good performance against their "older brother" but australia have had the wood over them recently and really seem to be hungry to win this tournament.
