Medical Mafia I - Endgame

[SiriusBlack]

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[AngryPixel]

Could you please rephrase this?



First of all, there is NO instant of either of us defending each other, period. If you have read carefully, I was questioning AngryPixel for making sarcastic comments on Varun's activity, pointing out little activity from himself, thus Varun came into the picture. Varun told me to be less aggressive, and it just ends there. No defense for each other from any one of us.

I get it you were right in questioning me. But i was suspicious (and probably suleman too) because you failed to see that it was Varun who first questioned me on activity when his contribution prior to that post was absolutely nil. That is why i questioned him. But for some reason you failed to see that and instead questioned me back on my activity. That is what was fishy.

 

[Sulaiman7]

But for some reason you failed to see that and instead questioned me back on my activity. That is what was fishy.

Yeah Simon just ignored Varun there.

 

[SiriusBlack]

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[Sulaiman7]

Could you please rephrase this?

I just said that you're under my radar.

AP hasn't added much

You serious?! AP has convinced me and you're saying he hasn't added much, great.

Again, I was pointing out that you were questioning Varun whilst not adding much yourself. Varun was busy previously, and having the ability to understand that, I took his last post as some form of activity and decided to let it go. And that last post (and the short post right before) was much more useful for discussion than anything that you added.

You could have let Varun defend himself rather than being aggressive to AP and the hell do you know he was busy?! what if he was trying to hide? this looks like some partnership going on.

User - how can you be so convinced? It's. Just. Day. 1.

When did I say that he is a doctor ? I just said that he has chances of being one.

 

[Sulaiman7]

and you went on with a lynch when a mislynch can heavily affect the chances of winning for the town.

I thought we were emphasizing on not having a mislynch, or going with a no lynch, but it seems some of the players just think it's logical to go ahead and lynch someone without a FOS, without hearing a defense on the FOS or without opinions from all the others.

Well, it isn't just me doing that.

 

[surendar]

I don't see Varun pointing his fingers at someone

Sulaiman, I would give it you that this has been your best point. You are getting the game almost, keep practicing.

Reason to say that, I had the same in my mind when I went through last 2 pages - probably due to previous game's impact where Varun was very defensive in miller set up.

Surendar - This guy has changed drastically, he isn't the same old guy who used to scum hunt and crack each and every possibility to help the town. Not much active either, both his posts has just been an attack that's it.

With we forcing 4-5 players to even get into the game mode to keep the discussions going( at the time of my previous post ), You want me to scum hunt the players out of nothing? In my every post - I always pointed out the other players to get into the bus! I don't get your point of being active either, I am in US time zone and I cannot be active in Indian time zone which is my sleeping time. I post all these stuffs during my work breaks/evening times.

Alright, after going through last 2 pages - From what I am understanding,

Simon's FOS on Yash : Based on Yash's reaction
Yash's FOS on Simon : Yash believes that Simon is forming team to follow him for targeting Yash. 
Mine's massive FOS on Yash : Based on Yash's reaction
Umair on Yash : Thinks that Yash was aggressive
User's lynch on Simon : Because Simon raised FOS on Yash.
AP & Sulaiman on Simon/Varun : Both believe that they are defending on each other.

Outside these, couple of ambiguous reads that I am not sure of :

• Swirler was a quiet customer till now with his concerns mainly in calming down Yash - that looked to town to me, to get us united and think in one direction. However, it is too early to confirm anything.
  
• Varun's one post on the game, is really too less and polished/abstract at this point.

My take at this point - People who have lynched Simon definitely had to have Mafia. I don't find any solid base for those lynch being made. All we have in the town at this moment,

• Yash's reaction became magnet of attraction for throwing emotions.
• Though several people questioned Yash's reaction(Simon, myself, Swirler, Umair, Varun, User2010 ) - Simon was lynched because he had FOS on Yash. This should be the biggest joke here, or am I reading separate mafia thread unrelated?
• Simon & Varun's team up for defending each other - This needs to be assessed further. Am also finding it odd that Simon spoke in defense for Varun who has assessed the town only with abstract read.
• Umair & Sulaiman & AP - Going one on one for the activity contributions, I am just ignoring all those posts because it only made me laugh.

@User2010; - Can you explain the reason that why you were not even ready to raise the suspect radar first(FOS) to even listen to Simon's defense? With you being one of the experienced players, that lynch is the most scummy one I have seen.

Out of the 3 people who have made lynch, yours(User's) is the only one which stands odd man out - just because there was someone with FOS on Yash. AP & Sulaiman have gone for the lynch based on suspects with teaming up with Varun which happened after your lynch.

@swirler; - What is your take on this? Do you believe that Simon and Varun are teaming up to defend each other? What is your take on User's lynch too?

 

[CremerCurrans]

Just about to head off to University orientation. Will be there for a good part of the day, but when I get home, I'll have another read through the thread and let everyone know what my opinions are.

 

[thedon5]

I'm back now. Will read through the thread now.

 

[thedon5]

Lynch Count

Simon (3) - User2010, AngryPixel, Sulaiman7

With nine alive, it takes five to reach a majority.

There are 24 hours left in the day.

 

[CremerCurrans]

@swirler; - What is your take on this? Do you believe that Simon and Varun are teaming up to defend each other? What is your take on User's lynch too?

I've just read the last three pages of the thread, so there is a chance I might have missed some small things.

I'm suspicious of Varun, he hasn't been very active, which isn't the problem I have with him. His posts were clearly aggressive, I don't know if he was just in a bad mood at the time, but he didn't handle being questioned by AngryPixel well. Either he wasn't focussed at the time, or he's hiding something.

There has been some strange play from Simon, which could be cracks.

I don't know whether there is a connection between Simon & Varun; maybe Simon defended Varun because it gave him a chance to attack AngryPixel again. There might be a stage in the match where we need to lynch one of Varun or Simon, and that will give us a clue if they are both mafia.

I don't understand Simon saying things like: AngryPixel hasn't added anything. He's made some good points, he's also repeated what others have said, which is okay I guess. Don't understand why Simon was so focussed on him, other than not being happy with the pressure he was putting on Simon.

I don't have a problem with User2010's lynch. I suspect it was just a hunch that he decided to put out there with a lynch.

I don't know whether we should lynch anyone today. I'd like to wait and see what happens during night one, and read the day two write-up first. I don't know if I'll regret that decision, because I don't survive, or if the mafia are in a better position tomorrow.

I think I know who I want to protect during night one. I just hope I don't kill them by accident. Does the vigilante already know who he is?

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FOS: Varun

 

[thedon5]

Does the vigilante already know who he is?

Everything you need is in the first post, please read that.

 

[CremerCurrans]

That's a no then. Thanks thedon5.

 

[Gaurav_7]

@User2010; - Can you explain the reason that why you were not even ready to raise the suspect radar first(FOS) to even listen to Simon's defense? With you being one of the experienced players, that lynch is the most scummy one I have seen.

In this game how can any lynch be sure shot?

FOS is not something I like. Lynching someone gets them to act and reply.

Also, I have had a read again and have picked up some tiny bits and find some links in them. Here:

*unanimous, but then again it's still not a unanimous decision since everyone hasn't expressed their opinion yet. Heck, some people haven't even confirmed their roles yet. True, it seems like the best thing to do, but everyone hasn't given their opinion yet so I don't see the need to rush things.

Also, I'm finding it a bit odd that you're so keen on going onto a night phase. With the mafia and a vigilante being present, we should really be looking to have at least a little bit of discussion going before just going on to the night phase. Since no one has posted yet, we can't simply just risk having one or two people dead by the time play starts properly 'cause none of us have reads on the other players and don't know who to protect just yet.

I do find this a little suspicious, but I'm looking forward to some input from the other players too on this.

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@Umair2000 yet to confirm his role.

Not sure whether @surendar has received his one yet though.

This post. Simon picks up Yash as a target. I find the last line, the bold one interesting...

@yash - I see the point of eagerness in you to keep the game moving forward, but how were you sure that you will make it to next day surviving the night? This is fishy indeed.

Suren after getting his role. He then subtly tries to go after Yash as well.

Yep, exactly. Also, the mafia aren't allowed to talk to each other during the day. For all we know he could be looking to have a night first up so he can discuss the plans for the game with his partner.

Simon very cleverly bringing the no talk during the day thing into play and trying to divert more attention towards Yash.

This is mafia game and you can get the read of person from the way they post and react. Above reactions is clear suspicious behavior from you without any doubts, it was just a FOS from Simon & not even a lynch.

How are those clear suspicious actions and why do you forget that Yash tends to over react?

Team work & nice try? I do not understand what you are referring to, but it is very clear that your reactions are the only suspicious activity that I can get among the people who have posted here until now.

This is either, you are blowing out something out of nothing or you know something and trying to deviate the town.

I repeat - It was just a FOS & not even a lynch but you are blowing the loudest trumpet in the whole town now. It looks like you are trying to create a forehand defense that you are not the mafia even before someone is pointing you to be one & I find it very fishy indeed.

massive FOS: Yash

Again! I am sure you understood when he meant team work. You and Simon! Please tell me what is it that he might know and something that will deviate the town?

I did not "only pick Yash as a target" as you're accusing me of. I only picked him out and questioned his behavior because he wanted to go onto the night phase without having any proper discussion. Before that, I already said that not having a mislynch would be top priority in my opinion and no lynch is definitely one way of avoiding a mislynch.

That said, I didn't even put a lynch on Yash - just a FOS to see his defense and have at least some discussion going - and he decided to throw a tantrum and get attention to himself. FOS is a part of the game and if someone gets offended like that, I'm terribly sorry but it's simply crazy.

Coming to the part where you said I targeted Yash because I know he would give up - yes, that was something I would do as a mafia but not in two games in a row with all the players from the previous game present in the second one. That worked well in the first game but I would not be stupid enough to do it on Day 1 in the second game as well - it would only look like I'm applying the same tactics and would get me lynched very easily.

My FOS on Yash was for a genuine reason, and it was not even a strong FOS. It's just him making a huge deal out of it that's gathering all the attention, and as Swirler said, it's just having him as a distraction and not allowing actual discussion.

It was not only him. All the others including me posted a no lynch would be a good choice and it's just that. You did pick him up. And, coming to your 3rd para, well it can work both ways isn't it? You can do the same thing two games in a row especially when it involves someone like Yash who gets spurred so easily.

Tell me what discussion are you talking about when there was next to none at that point. And, how was he a distraction? I fail to understand how without him we could have got so much of a discussion!

With all the above, I've picked up and my thoughts tell me:

FOS: Simon and Surender

I already have a lynch on Simon but, for now I am unlynching as he already has 3 votes.

Unlynch: Simon

And, in the last two pages, AP has acted so weirdly. He has accused Simon and Varun to be mafia and I don't understand this:

For all intents and purpose you both could be mafia teaming up. Its a classic mafia strategy for one partner to blame other as mafia openly to gain the trust of townies. That is what varun has done here by accusing you of being mafia subtly in his post. Then you chose to defend him openly so that you appear to be townie as you showed literally no problem with him accusing you of being untown. This way you both appear as townie and now you can openly team up to take out some other townie by diverting the attention on them. Bravo

Where has Varun accused Simon? Where is Simon defending Varun?

Lynch: AngryPixel

I'd like everyone's thoughts. Especially, @Umair2000 and @Sulaiman7 who tend to post less and follow people more often than not!

 

[Villain]

Lynch: Simon
I think I've stated the reasons already and we'll be having a better picture of the game after his role is revealed and if he turns out to be a mafia we know who we should be going after.

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I'm still having connectivity issues, the reason why I'm unable to login using my laptop so please wait for me to post some detailed analysis.