New Zealand in Bangladesh, October 2010/11

[Chewie]

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I'd guess Vettori promoted himself to stop the collapse, he's done it numerous times before. Normally Stewart would be at 6 but he hasn't got much experience in that sort of situation so Vettori thought it would be better if he went in first.

Southee was pretty good in his first spell, but then his return over went for 14 in the powerplay and he was taken off. McKay on the otherhand was terrible in his first two spells, then bowled pretty well at the death.

I do agree that Tuffey should be there over both of them though.

 

[McLOVIN]

And we came back strongly in the other two so hopefully we do the same here.

We should have won the 2nd match. Fuzzed ourselves in the field, dropping Oram like 3 times, and missed 1 run out chance. Still should have chased that low total, around 200

McLOVIN added 5 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

I am worried about our seam bowlers. If Shafiul, Rubel, Mash isn't ready by then, there will be some horrible things to come. Namul is out for next 2 ODIs

 

[CG123]

If I were BNG, I'd just play all spinners.
As your one pace bowler yesterday was rubbish, and we've always struggled against spinners.

 

[Howsie]

Our middle order just has no substance, without Styris and Oram.

Watling looked all at see, 14 balls without scoring against very average bowling that McCullum was taking apart.

I wasn't watching when Elliot came and went, so can't really comment on that, he has done some decent stuff against Aussie in the past, so I can't really comment.

Stewart shouldn't be there if Vettori is batting above him. FFS, Vettori at six in ODI's, wtf is next. Get rid of Stewart as they obviously have no faith in him to stick him down there, and he didn't exactly look that great at the crease, all be it it was a very tough situation to come in at. His running was shocking, almost had three run outs, before he actually got run out.

Solutions, I'd bring in Williamson and Redmond. Williamson is by far supreme to Watling at the domestic level, they've played against the same bowling on the same pitches, and Williamson has done much better, therefore I'm not sure why Watling has just jumped above him. I've also had a bit of time for Redmond, not sure why, I'd like to see Guptill there at the WC though.

McKay and Southee both bowled very average. McKay picked up a couple of cheapee's at the end, so his effort should really show no wickets. Both of them went at well over five an over, against a very very average BNG batting order.

Credit to BNG, I'm not going to use the D/L system as an excuse, everyone bar Dan and Bazza played flingen useless, so we deserved to lose.

Yes Taylor made 42, but he still looked pretty average, playing and missing, and only finding the fence twice. Mills was alright, but at times still got smashed by average batsmen. Nathan McCullum done a decent supporting role.

This is what I'd play for the next match:

1. B. McCullum
2. Ryder
3. Williamson
4. Taylor
5. Elliot - He's done well in the past, so hopefully he can come back into some form before the WC, otherwise Styris will move in here when he's fully fit.
6. Redmond/Stewart/Watling - We don't really have a proper number six, Oram and Vettori should both be at seven and eight. I would like to see Guptill batting at three, and Williamson move down here for the WC, stupid selectors for dropping Guptill.
7. Vettori
8. N. McCullum
9. Mills
10. Tuffey - Yes, I'd have him there ahead of Southee and McKay.
11. Southee/McKay/Bennett - I'd like to think Southee could develop here before the WC, but that doesn't seem likely, as he's still getting smashed. Therefore just trail and error. I'd look to play Oram here for the WC though.

I find it rather ironic that you rage about Daniel Vettori batting in the middle order - the same Daniel Vettori that has averaged 32 with a strike rate of 97 over the past 18 months in one day cricket for New Zealand, whilst also saying this current New Zealand team lacks substance in the middle order without Jacob Oram - the same Jacob Oram who over the same time period has averaged a pathetic 18.

The team for yesterday's game was named 12 hours before the game actually started - and Shanan Stewart was named at number seven. He may indeed bat at five for Canterbury but his best innings of late have come when he's had to hit from right away, he's proven to be a very good late order player in domestic cricket and it's something this New Zealand team has needed since Jacob Oram declined.

I agree with you that if they're not going to open with Watling then they may as well not play him, he's a good player but he's not a number three batsmen. Watling's very much an old school one day opener, being that he'll look to try and bat most of the overs. The one thing you need from a number three batsmen is the ability to bat at the games speed, Watling doesn't have that ability.

I honestly don't think we'll see any changes for the batting line up come the second game but I think either McKay or Southee will get the chop for Tuffey.

 

[McLOVIN]

If I were BNG, I'd just play all spinners.
As your one pace bowler yesterday was rubbish, and we've always struggled against spinners.

He started rubbish, but he finished off well. He was called in a day before the game, he is rusty. They never let that guy settle down in the team.

And all spinners? I have more faith on their 3rd string seamers then those spinners. Besides Shakib, every one else sucks. Razzak used to be good, but he is painful to watch now

 

[Chewie]

They're trying to do with Watling what they managed to do with Guptill (for a while at least) and turn an opener into a number 3. I agree that he'd be best served to just be part of the squad as the reserve opener, unless ND play him lower down in some ODs to see how he'd do

 

[CG123]

I find it rather ironic that you rage about Daniel Vettori batting in the middle order - the same Daniel Vettori that has averaged 32 with a strike rate of 97 over the past 18 months in one day cricket for New Zealand, whilst also saying this current New Zealand team lacks substance in the middle order without Jacob Oram - the same Jacob Oram who over the same time period has averaged a pathetic 18.

The team for yesterday's game was named 12 hours before the game actually started - and Shanan Stewart was named at number seven. He may indeed bat at five for Canterbury but his best innings of late have come when he's had to hit from right away, he's proven to be a very good late order player in domestic cricket and it's something this New Zealand team has needed since Jacob Oram declined.

I would play Jacob Oram as a bowling AR, over the last five or so years he's been one of the most economical bowlers in the game, and currently our best OD bowler behind Vettori and Mills. I get more annoyed when people say Oram shouldn't be there because his batting isn't too great, as over the past five calendar years, his E/R's yet to go over 4.32. Yes I agree that his batting is on a downhill slide.

If you read my post in full I said "Oram and Vettori should both be at seven and eight." I would be playing Vettori at seven and Oram at eight.

By lacking substance I meant no one outside our openers and Taylor are boundary hitters. Stewart's been talked up as one, but hasn't done anything yet. Vettori and N. McCullum are naturally aggressive players, but both of them aren't power players, like White, Pollard, A. Morkel etc. the type of players I'd like to see us use in our middle to lower order, at 5/6/7/8. Hopefully Stewart can turn into and Cam White sort of player, but yesterday he just looked like he wanted to get off strike every time he was facing.

I was watching highlights of that T20 yesterday, where it was a 214 all tie. Yes in theory it's a different game, but you can still apply what White did to OD cricket. How many players in our middle/lower order are going to be able to score 50 off 20 balls, Oram's the only one I can think of who's capable of doing that. Vettori's not, N. McCullum's not, Elliot's not, Watling's not, can't really comment on Stewart.

By substance I didn't really mean skill, it was probably the wrong word on my part. I hope you see what I mean now.

 

[McLOVIN]

Where is Guptill?

 

[Chewie]

With the A team in Zimbabwe I think

 

[McLOVIN]

why A team

 

[CG123]

Because this year he's averaged 20 in 11 matches.
I don't agree with it however, I'd have him there ahead of Watling and Redmond.
It seems a stupid time to drop him though, as the WC's only a few series' away.

 

[riz7khan12]

It seems a stupid time to drop him though, as the WC's only a few series' away.

I dont mind it tbh, he is still getting in some good cricket against a side who IMO is slightly better than Bangladesh. This series against Bangladesh is just where we are trying out new guys like Bennett and Williamson.

Martin Guptill will probably be in the WC Squad though, unless he really underperforms in the matches against India/Pakistan.

 

[Chewie]

NZ A are playing Zimbabwe A, not their first XI. I think it's probably more about getting him into form?

I ran into the commentator from the match, had a bit of a chat to him. He was wearing his Indian ODI shirt lol Just congratulated him on some good commentary, and mentioned the technical difficulties haha.

 

[riz7khan12]

NZ A are playing Zimbabwe A, not their first XI.

yeah but that Zimbabwe XI most likely will be the full strength squad.

I ran into the commentator from the match, had a bit of a chat to him. He was wearing his Indian ODI shirt lol Just congratulated him on some good commentary, and mentioned the technical difficulties haha.

i thought he was in bangladesh, so does he watch the match on tv; then report it or something?

 

[McLOVIN]

I dont mind it tbh, he is still getting in some good cricket against a side who IMO is slightly better than Bangladesh.

Let me get this straight. So to you Zims, no, not even Zims, Zims A is better team than Ban natioanl?:sarcasm

The whole NZ team should be over there then, to get some better cricket...