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I would disagree. Though it was an excellent double-century. I'm not sure he was quite good enough. He is a much improved player now.

The West Indies were, and still are, an ordinary side with a lacking crop of bowlers. Key has something like 775 Test runs and 221 came in that one innings, otherwise his average of 31 would be closer to 21. Selectively highlighting the one or two moments Key looked Test class is rather scraping the barrel, hopefully the selectors are wiser than to go backwards in selecting batsmen. And it would be a backward step, picking a player who had a chance and giving him another four or more years later. Let's move forward, pick players with similar claims, younger and more athletic. I read on the TMS Blog a comment where someone suggested Rob "The Don" Key's average is 36 this season, hardly cause to throw him in the side for his umpteenth chance ahead of the likes of Shah and Bopara.

As for the XI for India, I would pick two spinners. A side something like :-

Strauss
Cook
Bell
Pietersen (c)
Vaughan/Collingwood
Shah
Prior (wk)
Flintoff
Swann
Anderson
Panesar

Harsh on the quicks, especially as we have better options there than in spinners. But wake up to the harsh reality that spinners are more likely to be effective and that we need as much batting as possible (within reason) I've picked Prior as he's likeliest to displace Ambrose as the ODI incumbent, Anderson as the most consistent England bowler at the moment, Flintoff as he can bat with the two spinners arguably our best two. I've put Vaughan in as he averages over 70 against India (1000 runs so not to be taken lightly), although Collingwood (and Shah) can bowl a bit which will help.

It does beg the question, do you go horses for courses or trust your best bowlers no matter what the conditions? Unfortunately our past choices of spinners have included Dawson, Udal, Blackwell, Giles and Panesar for his debut. Hoggard has had a couple of decent tours out there, while Anderson had a good Test out there last time (which England won)
 
That true, they take players who do "back hand," jobs for people with roofs, rather than the inform county players.

God, if everyone was fit mentally, and physically, a squad like so would be immense.

Trescothick
Cook
Vaughan
Bell
KP
Flintoff
Prior
Broad
Sidebottom
Anderson
Panesar

Collingwood misses out, but Bell is in there just because he has the potential. Bowling wise, i missed out Harmison because of my personal feelings towards him but Sidey could easily be struggling for a place, and Broad, as Hoggy would be around.

Bell batting at 4, above Pietersen ? I'd personally have Prior batting above Flintoff. Prior's a proper batsman, and needs to be given as much time as possible to score runs, Flintoff still has his chance at 7 and I think it makes the balance of the side far better.

In an ideal world we'd like Broad in the side, but only if he's bowling well. On current form his bowling wouldn't have him near the Test side, with Harmison, Jones, Kabir Ali, Pattinson, Mahmood, Bresnan all performing better than him in county cricket. Therefore the only personell change I'd have for that side would be replacing Broad with Harmison.
 
To be honest I feel that whoever we take to the West Indies is likely to have a good tour masking potential problems for the Ashes.
 
I wouldn't have Bell in the side in India full stop. I've learned over the last couple of years that he just can't bat when the pressure's on.

I'm gonna have a nice random chat about Jimmy Anderson now as well. Leading wicket taker for us this summer and as Owzat has pointed out, most of his wickets are top order batsmen. I don't wanna jinx anything, but are we finally seeing the Jimmy that we first thought we'd get back in 2003? I hope so.

I agree with the rest of Owzat's team for India but I do believe we should replace Bell. Although having said that, he has done pretty well in Pakistan and India so maybe he deserves his place.

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To be honest I feel that whoever we take to the West Indies is likely to have a good tour masking potential problems for the Ashes.

Yep. Look at the last Ashes; we warmed up for that by beating South Africa and thus getting a shedload of momentum and proof that we could play with the big boys. Beating the West Indies won't put forward that same kind of message.

Mind you, it'll be a hell of a lot worse if we lose.
 
I'm gonna have a nice random chat about Jimmy Anderson now as well. Leading wicket taker for us this summer and as Owzat has pointed out, most of his wickets are top order batsmen. I don't wanna jinx anything, but are we finally seeing the Jimmy that we first thought we'd get back in 2003? I hope so.

Always had faith in him simply because he is quick, athletic and swings the ball both ways. He just needed to train his muscles to the right lines and lengths (whereas other bowlers may utilise their front arms more effectively so they don't need to do this) and, having done so, there is little stopping him from becoming a world beater; with the exception of injury.
 
Oh, don't go saying the I word Manee!

He's probably our best fielder after Collingwood and Bell as well.
 
Oh, don't go saying the I word Manee!

Not gonna lie, had to read the post a few times to find what word you meant:p.

Tbh though, Jimmy will be vunerable to injury if he is not very well conditioned throughout his body. That dead straight front leg of his means that the pressure from the action shoots up his body and can target any area of weakness, such as the spine.
 
If I were English I'd choose something like this:

Key
Cook
Strauss
KP
Bell
Shah
Prior/Random Keeper who is doing well
Flintoff
Sidebottom
Monty
Anderson

Thoughts?
 
The West Indies were, and still are, an ordinary side with a lacking crop of bowlers. Key has something like 775 Test runs and 221 came in that one innings, otherwise his average of 31 would be closer to 21. Selectively highlighting the one or two moments Key looked Test class is rather scraping the barrel, hopefully the selectors are wiser than to go backwards in selecting batsmen. And it would be a backward step, picking a player who had a chance and giving him another four or more years later. Let's move forward, pick players with similar claims, younger and more athletic. I read on the TMS Blog a comment where someone suggested Rob "The Don" Key's average is 36 this season, hardly cause to throw him in the side for his umpteenth chance ahead of the likes of Shah and Bopara.

As for the XI for India, I would pick two spinners. A side something like :-

Strauss
Cook
Bell
Pietersen (c)
Vaughan/Collingwood
Shah
Prior (wk)
Flintoff
Swann
Anderson
Panesar

Harsh on the quicks, especially as we have better options there than in spinners. But wake up to the harsh reality that spinners are more likely to be effective and that we need as much batting as possible (within reason) I've picked Prior as he's likeliest to displace Ambrose as the ODI incumbent, Anderson as the most consistent England bowler at the moment, Flintoff as he can bat with the two spinners arguably our best two. I've put Vaughan in as he averages over 70 against India (1000 runs so not to be taken lightly), although Collingwood (and Shah) can bowl a bit which will help.

It does beg the question, do you go horses for courses or trust your best bowlers no matter what the conditions? Unfortunately our past choices of spinners have included Dawson, Udal, Blackwell, Giles and Panesar for his debut. Hoggard has had a couple of decent tours out there, while Anderson had a good Test out there last time (which England won)

Sidebottom anyone? (Well if we were talking about going back and leaving someone out for 4 years)
 
He was picked for his performances for Notts. Not on how he does against SA today. Also note he will probably be bowling.
 
Sidebottom anyone? (Well if we were talking about going back and leaving someone out for 4 years)
Ugh, yeah I didn't get that statement either. How can you write a batsman off at 26? The list of examples against this thinking is immense.

Was anyone else slightly dissapointed with Monty's preformances this series?
Compared to what? He did as well as any bowler.
 
Seemed to right off Key but he was the only batsmen to get past 30 in the innings...Wright, Shah and Bopara were the ones to past 20 aswell and those 3 are already in the One Day setup.
 

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