lancashire666
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game of hangman anyone
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South Africa tour of New Zealand, Feb-March 2011/12
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Dipak
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Umm...I thought SA were chokers....
17 runs off 24 balls with six wickets in hand, wtf...
I don't want to McCullum bash like I have in the past, but I just can't help myself. These have been his five T20I scores this season:
1st T20I vs Zim - 0 off 1
2nd T20I vs Zim - 38 off 24
1st T20I vs SA - 16 off 17
2nd T20I vs SA - 35 off 31
3rd T20I vs SA - 18 off 19
Now go through all of those knocks except the 16 off 17 where he was just feeding the strike to Guptill which is all he needed to do, and ask yourself could he/should he have won us those other four matches, your answer should be yes. Now ask yourself did he win us any of those four matches, your answer should be no. The only knock you could possibly say was a good knock was his 38 off 24, but with 21 needed off 12 balls he got himself dismissed, and it was only Williamson's heroics that saved him.
Now if I apply the same logic to Ryder last night he should take most of the blame, which I think is fair enough. When your team needs 17 off 24 and you're the set batsman, you have to take your team home. In the end he made a shocking decision and at that stage I got the feeling that we'd lost it, because you cannot ask number's 7 - 11 to come out and score over a run a ball at that stage in a match, which was also exactly what McCullum did against Zimbabwe.
Anyway, I don't really care about the result, it's more the fact that it's the way in which it occurred.
I don't want to McCullum bash like I have in the past, but I just can't help myself. These have been his five T20I scores this season:
1st T20I vs Zim - 0 off 1
2nd T20I vs Zim - 38 off 24
1st T20I vs SA - 16 off 17
2nd T20I vs SA - 35 off 31
3rd T20I vs SA - 18 off 19
Now go through all of those knocks except the 16 off 17 where he was just feeding the strike to Guptill which is all he needed to do, and ask yourself could he/should he have won us those other four matches, your answer should be yes. Now ask yourself did he win us any of those four matches, your answer should be no. The only knock you could possibly say was a good knock was his 38 off 24, but with 21 needed off 12 balls he got himself dismissed, and it was only Williamson's heroics that saved him.
Now if I apply the same logic to Ryder last night he should take most of the blame, which I think is fair enough. When your team needs 17 off 24 and you're the set batsman, you have to take your team home. In the end he made a shocking decision and at that stage I got the feeling that we'd lost it, because you cannot ask number's 7 - 11 to come out and score over a run a ball at that stage in a match, which was also exactly what McCullum did against Zimbabwe.
Anyway, I don't really care about the result, it's more the fact that it's the way in which it occurred.
ferg512
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Give Ryder a break, I mean yeah he got out but if it weren't for him we wouldn't have got anywhere near that total. When he got out we still only needed 8 off 7 which you say is difficult for the lower order but really its only just over a single a ball. B.McCullum is bloody lucky hes in either the t20 side or the ODI side anymore, done nothing for a while now. The upcoming three ODIs are huge for him.
I'm quite happy we lost anyway, the arrogance from both the players and commentators had gotten out of control, needed this loss to just bring us back to earth a little.
If not McCullum, then who? McCullum is the only keeper in NZ that can cut it in the international arena. Everyone else is pretty much useless. Until we find someone who can match McCullum, he'll be there for a while yet.
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Luke Ronchi
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Like I said, useless.
I disagree with you. Who's to say that if Franklin/Nathan McCullum came out when Ryder did they wouldn't have been able to build an innings. Both of them normally struggle early on in their innings, yet we have them batting down the order (which is fair enough), both have played their better innings when they've had some time to get their eye in. Ryder was playing extremely well, then selfishly he put himself ahead of the team. He should have been looking to finish the game with overs to spare, like South Africa did last match. IIRC Levi didn't pull back and start working singles in his 90s.
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