Trans-Tasman Trophy (NZ in Australia), December 2011/12

[ferg512]

I guess 290-300 could end up being a pretty handy total if Bracewell and Southee can get a few early wickets. I'm still pretty disappointed with the batting though some of those shots were horrible, especially Taylors. I wonder whether the captaincy could end up being too much for him.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Yeah I felt the same. You have to take into account that even Siddle was swinging the ball today so the movement they were getting wasn't surprising, the lack of control was disappointing from the debutants. Can't wait till Cummins returns for the 2nd Test to see some proper Test match bowling

The trio of Pattinson, Starc and Hazlewood appeared on the scene around the same time and were hyped up, but after watching them play I definitely rate Hazlewood higher than the other 2. He and Cummins will make quite a partnership for years to come I feel.

I rate Hazlewood higher than Pattinson and Starc as well. Hazlewood, if he can keep fit, will do the donkey work brilliantly for Aus for years.

 

[sifter132]

Add me to the chorus of kinda unimpressed Aussies at our 2 new quicks. The first hour was pretty awful bowling by Australia the ball was swinging, pitch was seaming there were wickets to be had. Then they showed a pitchmap of what had happened after about 45 minutes of play and to be honest it looked like a dartboard Their 2nd spellls were a bit better, but there's nothing really exceptional RIGHT NOW. Both these guys have the potential for sure: they bowl great balls occasionally, have the pace required, and good height and build for it. But pretending like they are good bowlers now is a bit optimistic. If anyone thought the inconsistency was going away after Johnson left then sorry, but I think it got worse. I feel a bit the same way about Cummins, he did some great things in Jo'burg, but he's still pretty rough around the edges, and taking all those wickets on debut will just ramp up pressure and expectations on him that he probably doesn't need right now.

I'm not criticising the selections for this match, there really wasn't much choice, but I'm not sure the youth at all costs idea is the right one.

Siddle did impress me though, and I'm usually negative on him. First 3 overs were average, but after that he kept peppering that full/good length and ramped his pace up to mid 140s after lunch, one ball hit 150. That's when you know he's in rhythm. Having a pitch/conditions where he can move the ball makes him a Test level bowler, usually I find him just a dead straight trundler.

A lot of people try to push the spinner out at brisbane, but there is little weight to the strategy.

Indeed. Lyon was fantastic yesterday, and I was annoyed he didn't get the ball straight after lunch. Williamson didn't know what to do with him, and he was all over Ryder in the over before lunch. If Lyon had been bowling when Vettori came in then it could have been different. Vettori was happy to be aggressive to Lyon in his 2nd spell, mainly because Vettori had been in for an hour.

 

[CG123]

Guptill's wasn't.

I guess it wasn't really that short, but it was a regulation delivery none the less that someone of his caliber should not be getting out on. It was wide enough that he didn't need to play a shot, so he shouldn't of been in any danger of being out.

 

[aussie1st]

If only Siddle could bowl like this more often. I said years ago that he needs to keep his speeds up and obviously pitch the ball up too. And he's shown consistency.

 

[CG123]

295... It's runs on the board at least. Probably about 50 under par, but still they're runs that Australia need to make. It'll be interesting now to see how well our attack goes on this pitch.

 

[Sedition]

Good to see an Aussie get amongst the runs, well done Brownlie. Will probably be our highest score.

 

[mrtwisties]

Geez, Starc and Patto have bowled some rubbish today. Still like the look of them - you can't teach what they've got - but they're looking like maybe being a bit too much of a project to carry while they get better.

Would still give them a run for a few tests, though. Let them get the nerves out of their system, see how good they can be, figure out where the gaps are, then send them back to Shield cricket to get themselves up to standard. Same as pretty much everyone who's ever played for Australia, to be fair.

"No more than 20 Tests" is a bit of a harsh call.

 

[swacker]

Vettori just ran himself out on 96. He batted so well but went for an absolute shocker of a run.

 

[Sedition]

Thank god too. Would've been rubbing salt in the wounds if Vettori scored 100 and held off exposing the tail a bit longer.

Not the start I was hoping for, but maybe we'll see a bit more conventional test cricket with Ponting and Khawaja.

 

[aussie1st]

Gutted for Warner was hoping to see him bat today and silence his critics. Over to watching Khawaja. Ponting looking good so far.

 

[sifter132]

Geez, Starc and Patto have bowled some rubbish today. Still like the look of them - you can't teach what they've got - but they're looking like maybe being a bit too much of a project to carry while they get better.

Would still give them a run for a few tests, though. Let them get the nerves out of their system, see how good they can be, figure out where the gaps are, then send them back to Shield cricket to get themselves up to standard. Same as pretty much everyone who's ever played for Australia, to be fair.

"No more than 20 Tests" is a bit of a harsh call.

Indeed, there was some pretty poor stuff, particularly from Starc. Pattinson got his line going early, Clarke could have used him more I feel. But Starc bowled a heap of crap IMHO. The funniest being his over or 2 at Chris Martin, where all he had to do was bowl at the stumps, yet he couldn't get a ball online until about the 8th one. We could probably carry a guy like Starc if Watson was fit, but without a 4th seamer I'd rather leave the experimenting for later and play Copeland.


And Ricky's got the 50...go old timer

 

[aussie1st]

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Guess Starc will stay in the side for his variation ahead of Pattinson.

 

[aayush93]

Back to back fifty from ponting.. His looking good right now, i think he will score a ton here.

 

[Sedition]

Dangerous partnership here for the Kiwis. I'm backing both Punter and Clarke to make tonnes.

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Gonna shut up now.