Australia Tour Of India 2012/13

[Slowcoach]

Ashton Agar added to the squad?
Seriously, is there a spinner left in Australia who has not been part of the national squad in the past 5 years?
The guy might be alright, but I have no idea who he is.
The selectors clearly have no idea who our best spinners are, and are too quick to discard anyone who doesn't take Warne like wicket hauls.
Just be satisfied with an average spinner who does his job, every other team in the world is, post Warne we expect way too much.

 

[War]

That's it the selectors have lost their god damn minds!

 

[aussie1st]

He's not in the squad just there for development.

 

[War]

Ye but that don't make sense either. They used the example of taking starc to the windies in 2012 for development, but the obvious difference is now starc had already played international cricket & was already seen as a bowler for the future.

This agar fella is a nobody currently, why are they wasting time sending him on for any sort of development purposes. They might as well have sent O'Keefe just in case one of the spinner were to get injured or thrashed during the series & a replacement has to be sent.

 

[Slowcoach]

I would prefer Agar in the squad to Doherty, so maybe it's a good move.

 

[aussie1st]

They obviously see potential in Agar, really is a non issue having him. He is barely there for a week and is gone a week before the first test starts so as they said he is just there for development with no bearing on the test squad what so ever.

 

[War]

I would prefer Agar in the squad to Doherty, so maybe it's a good move.

Neither of them should be on tour.

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They obviously see potential in Agar, really is a non issue having him. He is barely there for a week and is gone a week before the first test starts so as they said he is just there for development with no bearing on the test squad what so ever.

That is the problem with the current selectors in there ability to spot potential. They see some sort of potential as test player shockingly to pick Steve Smith in the test squad. Saw some of potential to give Quiney a test squad. Saw potential in the joke ben laughin to pick him in recent t20s. And see more potential than most currently in Maxwell's bowling to speak of strongly as spin-bowling all-rounder.

So i don't believe they should be let off the hook because of this regardless of how short a time period he will be there.

When England pick development squads to go on tour with the senior team, everyone of those players seem like a prospect to some degree. Currently agar is a serious player for the future & should not be on this tour for any reason.

 

[angryangy]

Ashton Agar added to the squad?
Seriously, is there a spinner left in Australia who has not been part of the national squad in the past 5 years?
The guy might be alright, but I have no idea who he is.
The selectors clearly have no idea who our best spinners are, and are too quick to discard anyone who doesn't take Warne like wicket hauls.
Just be satisfied with an average spinner who does his job, every other team in the world is, post Warne we expect way too much.

I think they're more satisfied with Lyon than much of the public. The problem is simply that Beer and Holland did their shoulders. If either one was fit, then they'd have been picked.

 

[Slowcoach]

I don't know what O'Keefe has done wrong...he has taken wickets at domestic level (something the others haven't done)...and taken wickets everytime he has played for Australia A.

Maybe he will fail like the rest, but he deserves a chance to fail first.

Are the selectors trying to show how smart they are by picking guys with no stats to speak of, just to show how good they are at spotting talent?
I wouldn't be surprised, there are plenty of pig headed fools with an Ian Chappell mentality running around Australian cricket still.

 

[aussie1st]

So i don't believe they should be let off the hook because of this regardless of how short a time period he will be there.

Who exactly would you take in his place knowing that SOK isn't in their minds/should have been second spinner in an ideal world? Boyce? Zampa? Muirhead?

 

[Slowcoach]

Who exactly would you take in his place knowing that SOK isn't in their minds/should have been second spinner in an ideal world? Boyce? Zampa? Muirhead?

Just shows how ridiculous they are, trying every spinner in the country apart from the one who is actually taking wickets.

 

[aussie1st]

Definitely something going on behind the scene as there has been some non threatening players picked lately based on their stats and two selection panels have ignored him.

 

[sifter132]

Dear me haha, i just realized that Bailey isn't in the squad, all the time i was just presuming he was in.

That makes the squad selection even more dumb. It was bad enough that the selectors gave Quiney a useless test cap before him - this is a shocker. Surely it can't be that the selectors view Bailey as a t20/odi player only??!!

Hmm...I'm sensing some inconsistencies You've always been a vocal anti-Bailey guy. What if Bailey had been named in the Test squad, but had made a duck on Sunday? Bailey in Tests looks a reasonable call now AFTER that innings, but no one was pushing his barrow before that 100. Will be the same if Shaun Marsh/Aaron Finch/Callum Ferguson/Joe Burns/random young batsmen of promise makes a Shield 100 next week, straight away calls will be: why wasn't he selected? Easy with hindsight, and cricketers are not as good as their last innings.

I wouldn't worry so much about Hughes or Warner, they will score runs there. Warner is only suspect v Spin in T20's when he is trying to score at his usual 10 runs per over, while in Tests where he can sit on the bowling for more than 1 over at a time he will do just fine.

Nah I don't agree. In T20s vs spin Warner's always got the switch hit up his sleeve, and he knows he can hit out with freedom if he ever gets bogged. The only time he won't is maybe the first over or 2. In Tests he is usually too scared to hit out vs spin until he's comfortable. And even then he can't do it all the time because the risk is too great. I watched Ashwin bowl at Warner with the new ball in the Adelaide Test last year and Ashwin was definitely on top. Warner made 20-odd, but it was lucky and I'd be throwing him the new ball every Test vs Australia, because Aussies hate starting vs spin.

 

[Aalay]

I watched Ashwin bowl at Warner with the new ball in the Adelaide Test last year and Ashwin was definitely on top. Warner made 20-odd, but it was lucky and I'd be throwing him the new ball every Test vs Australia, because Aussies hate starting vs spin.

And Dhoni loves to start bowling with a spinner. If Warner and Cowan are opening then you will see Ashwin coming in straight away.

 

[hedger_14]

Agar is better than Doherty, just saying. Neither should be touring but Agar is a much better spinner than Doherty so if you have to take one of them, you take Agar. Agar is a left arm spinner, Doherty is a left arm slow bowler. Agar is the only left arm spinner currently in Australia.

And Bailey not in the side is a shocker. Doesn't have to start but he's a better choice than Khawaja. Would have liked to see Marsh in there as well.

Really, the starting XI they should be playing in India is:

1. Phil Hughes
2. David Warner (I'd prefer Chris Rogers but not much chance of that happening)
3. Shane Watson
4. Michael Clarke
5. Shaun Marsh
6. George Bailey
7. Matthew Wade
8. Nathan Hauritz/Steve O'Keefe
9. Starc/Pattinson/Bird
10. Peter Siddle
11. Nathan Lyon

Probably missed a player or two but close enough to our best squad.

And I'd also have been tempted to take Cutting to India as well.